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As an additional cost to play Natural Order, sacrifice a green creature.
Search your library for a green creature card and put it into play. Then shuffle your library.
Natural Order Discussion
1 hour ago
Nice Meren Deck! I recommend checking mine out to help give ya some ideas. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/graveyard-queen-meren-of-clan-nel-toth/
Because you got a protean hulk, I recommend running some more tutors to help out more. A good one that synergies really well with your deck is Natural Order . Pattern of Rebirth is another good creature tutor. Creature tutors are also really nice so Fierce Empath and Woodland Bellower are pretty good choices, they can also tutor each other so you can cause a tutor chain.
Phyrexian Delver is a really solid reanimate card, especially because you can recur it to bring back other stuff. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip is another good reanimate spell that also does multiple stuff.
You should consider some more mana dorks if you are going for 35 lands, it also just increases the chances of getting a turn 2 or turn 3 meren out.
Alternate wincons, Massacre Wurm and Gray Merchant of Asphodel . Massacre wurm is a 6 mana boardwipe that you can recur thanks to meren and it has the ability to drain so much life. If you are playing against a tutor deck you just tutor the wurm and kill that guy. Gray merchant is a nice way to drain peoples life, you get to recur it thanks to meren ability and it helps stabilize your health if people are targeting you.
1 week ago
Why run Green Sun's Zenith instead of Natural Order ? There's isn't a whole lot to fetch with GSZ in your deck, specially with a lack of a Dryad Arbor , the only real green creature worth grabbing is temur Sabertooth or protean hulk, which I also assume you go get temur and dockside with. In which case natural order is still cheaper to get them directly on the field. Even then Chord of Calling might even be more justifiable to run since it's not color restricted like GSZ and natural order.
If your reasoning for gsz is the 1cmc for ad nauseum then running mikaeus or even protean hulk seem like really unnecessary risks for the deck. If you Want a lower CMC creature based wincon to win with food chains, I recommend Sparkcaster since it can win by itself with infinite mana, similarly to walking ballista. Also it's higher CMC, but puphoros is a creature unlike impact tremors, so you can win with creature Mana there too, also puphoros is harder to remove.
And lastly, what's the reasoning for running gutteral response instead of red elemental blast? Other than hybrid Mana,REB catches more things in general than GR.
2 weeks ago
Love to see meren deck. Meren was my first commander deck, very fun high value deck. If you want some fun ideas check out my deck list. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/graveyard-queen-meren-of-clan-nel-toth/
So if you want your deck to be more competitive you will probably want to add more tutors. Diabolic Intent , Eldritch Evolution , Natural Order , and Pattern of Rebirth are high power tutors that have a lot of synergy with Meren because they are there own sac outlets. Vampiric Tutor and Demonic Tutor are naturally high power tutors but they are expensive. so if you are building with a budget you might want to hold off on these cards.
This leads to sac outlets. Sac outlets have a lot of synergy for meren. So I recommend running a lot of decent ones like Altar of Dementia so you can mill yourself, Carrion Feeder to get a t1 sac outlet and beater, and Evolutionary Leap to be a sac outlet/draw. Ashnod's Altar and Phyrexian Altar are really good sac outlets but they cost a bit of money.
Plaguecrafter is a solid removal spell that you can keep getting back.
Also adding a lot of mana dorks and draw cards can be very nice to make your deck more powerful.
For cuts, its whatever you think doesnt work to well. from my experience spore frog, phyrexian plaguelord, and priest of the forgotten gods dont really work that well. you usally want to tutor, draw, or play better cards.
I hope this helps out and dont forgot to check out my decklist and other meren decklist to help ya out.
2 weeks ago
@Rene_the_great I added Oblivion Stone because of the added synergy it has with a few other cards like Sun Titan . It's subbing in for Cleansing Nova right now, and if I like how it plays it may stay.
I haven't been removing ramp so much as I have been replacing it. Sakura-Tribe Elder took the place of Rampant Growth because I can take advantage of the body late game with new additions like Birthing Pod and Eldritch Evolution . Pir's Whim has come out in favor of Natural Order , which early game can grab ramping creatures like Cavalier of Thorns , Titania, Protector of Argoth , and Oracle of Mul Daya . Overall, it's been a shift toward a ramp package that can have more utility in the late game. I almost never have trouble getting the right amount and color of mana, but right now I have no means to fetch specific utility lands like Yavimaya Hollow . I'm not 100% sure if that's the correct call, but space in this deck is so tight that I'm struggling to find a way to make room for it. Having to run 25-30 big, expensive creatures is a massive deck building constraint. I enjoy the challenge, but it means we have to eschew some of the traditional green/Naya strategies.
3 weeks ago
Haha, Grumgully even sounds like a Muppet name.
I don't think you should cut Natural Order , no way. It seems too good to cheat Primus onto the battlefield. Is there a reason you can't play Order and other tutors that are like it? When your main way of winning is to assemble a combo then tutor redundancy is welcomed. The nice thing about Fauna Shaman and/or Birthing Pod is they can assemble creature combos since they're repeatable. These cards, if you include one of them in my opinion make Thermopod playable. As a five drop creature it's terrible, but as an easier tutorable sac outlet I think it's worth a playtest.
3 weeks ago
Thanks for the comment multimedia.
Yeah I just couldn't get past the fact that Grumgully reminds me so much of Dr. Teeth from the Muppets.
Anyways, those are some good suggestions. I completely forgot about Gamble and you make a good point about the Persist creatures' CMC clumping around 5. Plus a number of my 3 and 4 drop creatures are good sac targets. I'll have to consider one of those suggestions over Natural Order .
Thermopod and Krenko are interesting. I just fear that they may be a bit slow as the Wurm costs a lot for a sac outlet and Krenko is at an awkward CMC of 3.
Fertilid does seem a bit slow as well. I thought it might be nice with the +1/+1 boost, but I think you are right about running a card like Incubation Druid . My 3 CMC creatures either need to do a lot, or have good late game impacts since I'll almost always want to cast Grumgully on turn 3.
Also, I really appreciate both you (and Byuante) providing potential cuts with your suggestions. It really helps me reconsider some of my original choices.
3 weeks ago
ADD: Cold-Eyed Selkie Heroic Intervention Wood Elves Kamahl, Fist of Krosa Fierce Empath Song of the Dryads Bane of Progress Tishana, Voice of Thunder Natural Order Coat of Arms Hinterland Harbor Craterhoof Behemoth
After looking over your list I've picked out some cards that I would cut if it were my deck, but if you like them then play them anyways. You definitely need more win cons so I've suggested some cards that will allow you to convert your board advantage into a win. Craterhoof would find a home in this deck for certain but if that isn't your style then maybe Coat of Arms might be more your thing. Tishana, Voice of Thunder would also be a really good addition to this deck with all the card advantage she provides and the no maximum hand size is always nice. Also I suggested Song of the Dryads as good removal but also as a cute little way to give your opponent a Forest to use all your Forestwalk abilities. If you have any questions about any of the suggestions or cuts feel free to ask.
1 month ago
Some additional cards that might help as well:
- Field of the Dead
- Fabled Passage
- Elvish Reclaimer
- Natural Order
- Regal Force
- Crucible of Worlds
- Amulet of Vigor
- Lotus Cobra
- Green Sun's Zenith
- Finale of Devastation
- Chord of Calling
There is a lot of cards that can be added in! Tatyova is a hell of a commander to play! Also fetches would be super useful as it cantrips really hard. Hope that helps!
Natural Order occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%