Westvale Abbey

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, , Pay 1 life: Create a 1/1 white and black Human Cleric creature token.

, , Sacrifice five creatures: Transform this, then untap this.

Westvale Abbey Discussion

PuddinWing on Nosferatu: A Symphony of Horror

1 day ago

Good stuff. Have you considered Maze of Ith? Could probably get more value out of that than Westvale Abbey  Flip.

TypicalTimmy on Fake IDs: Legends with "Extra" Color Identity

1 month ago

Should Westvale Abbey  Flip be in here, since you can't traditionally use it as your Commander?

NV_1980 on Liesa's L.I.P.S

1 month ago

Hi,

This looks awesome! Some cards that come to my mind when I look at your deck:

Kind regards,

NV_1980

legendofa on Zombie Hunt Companions [Budget/Casual/Jank/Primer]

1 month ago

If I may plug my own version, Strange stories from the old church has a couple of tech pieces that I've gotten to like. If you expect your mob of Zombies gets Pyroclasmed or something, Westvale Abbey  Flip gives you an option for a bigger creature, and Vault of the Archangel can break a stalemate. They're both pretty pricy, though.

I like this build, and it's one of the more original approaches I've seen.

ProspectiveGIS on Dragons Forever

2 months ago

@ multimedia

Appreciate the well thought out response, I know that took some time. Many of your suggestions were added, the ones on the "Maybe Board" are cards I don't own currently so they would likely be upgrades if I bought.

You make valid points for Castle Locthwain and Westvale Abbey  Flip, I was just thinking late game card draw or a surprise late game flying, lifelink, indestructible, haste; removed the castle as card draw really doesn't seem to be too much of an issue. The same for benching Anticipate.

I didn't have most of the cards for the extra land ramp you suggested but added what I could and others to the Maybe Board. Can't believe I missed Command Tower lol.

The justification for keeping Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh is he is a dragon (theme deck for casual friends) and if he flips it is a distraction that needs to be addressed. Commit / Memory was for mill protection and since been added to the sideboard. Shadowspear was mainly there for the (1) remove hexproof and indestructible, which could be more of a sideboard item. Ramos, Dragon Engine is there for yet another mana source as my mana base is a little on the low side. Deathbringer Regent has moved to sideboard as well, he was added for opponents who crap out tokens and board whipe was needed. Amareth, the Lustrous is in currently for card draw until I purchase something from my maybe board.

One of my main decks to compete against is a Yarok, the Desecrated that uses Agent of Treachery and another is a goblin deck.

multimedia on Dragons Forever

2 months ago

Hey, good start. Overall you have good sense with the high budget you have.

Consider revisiting the manabase, you forgot Command Tower and also expand on ramp? 31 lands with only seven 0-3 CMC ramp sources is a risky amount when you need a lot of mana to cast Dragons and Ur-Dragon is nine mana. You really want a ramp source in your opening hand and consistently to get this you want more ramp. Not playing one basic land is an interesting choice, not a choice I would make, but if it's working for you than nice. I would include at least one of each basic.

The Pathways are not good lands for five colors since can only choose one color, they don't give you enough color fixing. With your high budget you can do better than the Pathways especially since a few of them cost more price than much better lands. Castle Locthwain and Westvale Abbey  Flip look out of place and are not powerful enough only able to make one black or one colorless mana in a five color deck. Some Rainbow lands are helpful when playing five colors or with Dragons:


More land ramp that can search for a Triome or Shock land:

Lore and Visits are two drops, similar to Farseek, but the land you search for can ETB untapped if you search for a Forest Shock land. Skyshroud can search for two Forest Triomes or Forest Shock lands. Adding Overgrown Tomb would help with these land ramp spells. Some good ramp sources for five colors to consider:


There's a few other nonDragon cards here that you don't need because they're not as good as other cards here:

Nyx Lotus is not a good ramp source here since it's a four drop that ETB tapped and then it doesn't make mana unless you control another colored permanent. Cover of Darkness is an expensive price card that's not doing much here because Dragons don't really need fear since they already have flying evasion.

Because you have Tiamat then you could cut some of the lesser Dragons such as Deathbringer Regent, Amareth, the Lustrous and Ramos, Dragon Engine. You have Old Gnawbone, if you add Hellkite Charger then you have an infinite attack combo that Tiamat can tutor for.

There's several expensive price cards in the maybeboard that would be good upgrades, but there's also some budget cards that would be upgrades for any of the above cards I mentioned to consider cutting:

Good luck with your deck.

YamishiTheWickedOne on The Thirst Always Wins

6 months ago

I'm tempted to upvote this just because you actually have a good creature count for Edgar. I'm so tired of seeing decks with only like 30 vamps and most of them being upwards of 4 mana.

That said, I think you're a little bit heavy on artifacts/enchantments. Some like tremors are good, some like Shared Animosity are vital, but in terms on non-creature permanents, the only artifact you NEED is skullclamp. You have more than ample sacrifices thanks to Edgar to reload your hand.

I'm a huge fan of stuff like Carrier Thrall , Martyr of Dusk and Dusk Legion Zealot for clamp targets that give extra value. And my big 4 of Edgar decks are Shared Animosity, Skullclamp, Mavren Fein and Mirror entity. Maybe Obelisk of Urd ? Edgar doesn't need a ton of mana acceleration if your creatures are all small.

And tutors for clamp such as Stoneforge Mystic , Steelshaper's Gift , Open the Armory , Enlightened Tutor , Demonic Tutor , Diabolic Intent , Vampiric Tutor , and a new personal favorite in Tainted Pact all help a lot. The only real mana ramp I run is Phyrexian tower, Ancient Tomb and Dark Ritual.

One last idea would be to toss in Demon of Death's Gate and Westvale Abbey  Flip. The demon can be effortlessly played as early as turn 2.

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