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Waste Not
Enchantment
Whenever an opponent discards a creature card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
Whenever an opponent discards a land card, add .
Whenever an opponent discards a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card.
legendofa on
MBC: 8-Rack
2 months ago
Waste Not wants the opponent to be discarding regularly, not just topdecking with an empty hand. Effects that draw before discarding give it the most juice--Burning Inquiry is probably the best option, but cards like Prismari Command or Lore Broker also could work.
Basically, when you get your opponent's hand empty, do you want to play more restictively or more dynamically? Shrieking Affliction and The Rack want an empty hand, Liliana's Caress and Waste Not want discarding.
Icbrgr on
MBC: 8-Rack
2 months ago
Ok today I have been jamming in a crap ton of games with Waste Not.... It's exactly how I remember it and I have such a love/hate for this card. SOMETIMES it works and can draw into the spell that wins the game or provided that life saving/game winning 2/2 token; but when its bad its just terrible... and im assuming Liliana's Caress is worse.
My Issue that I have with it is that I only get 1 or 2 triggers off of it when its in my opening hand and having enabling discard spells to cast. And If I ever find myself in a game state where I have stabilized and topdeck it on Turn four or later... its just a brick whereas drawing into The Rack/Shrieking Affliction either begins the clock of 3 damage/life loss a turn or just greatly accelerates an already existing clock.
Does anyone else have a different experience using these cards? Because I really want to use them but I just feel like either im doing it wrong maybe or just need to move on from them.
Icbrgr on
MBC: 8-Rack
2 months ago
oh that's sick! I always disregarded Funeral Charm thinking it was sorcery speed jank... that certainly makes it a lot more interesting now that I look closer at it (I blame the retro boarder lol)... I am coming around to the idea that if not mainboard I will NEED to have some number/combination of Waste Not/Liliana's Caress in the sideboard to bring in for either the opponents artifact hate or Leyline of Sanctity (does anyone run that anymore?).
DMFF on
MBC: 8-Rack
2 months ago
Icbrgr when I last tested it, I was running 4x The Rack, 4x Shrieking Affliction and 3x Waste Not, though I feel Waste Not could go down to 2.
Liliana's Caress actually could be a decent idea. I know that you mentioned not knowing of any instant speed discard, so I will be happy to show you Funeral Charm. While the other two modes aren't great, running a copy or two along side Caress could be another viable strategy.
Icbrgr on
MBC: 8-Rack
2 months ago
@DMFF thanks for the reassurance! I know i have a playset in my collection and ill dig em out and give them a try... would you suggest it as a 3x The Rack 3x Shrieking Affliction and 2x Waste Not?
@ChocolatePuma oh yeah I have always loved Megrim and the strictly better Liliana's Caress! I think the only issue I have with those cards is Empty handed opponents in topdeck mode... it feels really good early buy feels bad in the late game... I don't know of any instant speed discard effects outside of Nezumi Shortfang Flip to rely on Caress? How did you utilize Liliana's Caress? Does it just work better side by side with The Rack than im giving it credit for? I fortunatly have had a full playset for years now and am totally open to trying it out!
DMFF on
MBC: 8-Rack
2 months ago
@Icbrgr I have playtested 8-Rack WITH Waste Not. It is honestly my favorite wincon for 8-Rack. Since you're going to be discarding cards from your opponent's hand anyway, it synergizes very well to get you creatures or card advantage that you otherwise wouldn't have. It can be a bit inconsistent as you aren't guaranteed to discard the cards you need to, but I find that it's better to have it than not. Definitely worth considering.
Icbrgr on
MBC: 8-Rack
2 months ago
I actually really love the idea of Waste Not... I only worry that it is more fun than good but Im definitly gonna playtest with it... Have you ever ran it before?
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