Waste Not

Waste Not

Enchantment

Whenever an opponent discards a creature card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.

Whenever an opponent discards a land card, add to your mana pool.

Whenever an opponent discards a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card.

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Unformat Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

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Waste Not Discussion

Romer on One with Nothing

4 weeks ago

Thanks for the suggestions KayneMarco! I've now added Words of Waste but I'm holding off on Nezumi Shortfang  Flip - it fits perfectly, but I already have cards with similar effects (like Wheel of Torture ) and it's so hard to fit more cards in.

Glad you appreciate how terribly evil this is, megaquazoid ;)

bradtheimpaler13: I aim for discard effects that impact only opponents where possible but a lot of my discard impacts everyone. Still, that means in a rotation around the table, my opponents combined do more discarding than I do so while Bone Miser would net me some advantage, it's not as much as some other effects I have like Waste Not , Asylum Visitor or Noetic Scales .

DemMeowsephs, Necrogen Spellbomb absolutely fits thematically but using a whole card to make a single opponent discard 1 feels like a bad trade. I prefer to find permanents with ongoing discard effects, or that make all opponents/players discard. It's also tough finding room considering all the new discard effects lately... which is a good problem to have, really.

Nick_V on How To Lose Friends (Help)

1 month ago

forneyt My budget for this deck is higher then I would usually spend because I want it to be able to play in cEDH games (it doesnt have to be a win all the time deck but good enough to sit at the table). However cards over $80-100 each are probably a get if I can thing but a hard sell to spend $ to the wife. As my play group goes, I dont have one. Covid destroyed it. We are just now starting to open back up here in Vegas so I have no idea what I will be walking into at my LGS.

I would love Mana Crypt but I just don't have one and I only have Mana Vault in there for a early commander ramp. The Charcoal Diamond bugs me because of the comes into play tapped and that seems to slow for cEDH.

Possessed Portal is a win con if it resolves. By the time I get that out they should have almost no resources in had if not already hellbent. With my commander out as well they cant even top deck and everything they sac goes to me. The 8 cmc can be rampped as well I can even shave it down to 6 and protect it with Dream Devourer . Vilis, Broker of Blood I just do not personally like. The cmc means I would need to animate him out and I rather do that on more important targets. The card draw I could get from running Necropotence at a much cheaper cmc (still up in the air about that one though). He seems like a large amount of resources to just get returned to hand or countered just like Sheoldred, Whispering One and I rreally like her.

I do like Waste Not probably find a place for it.

So you might have something there. I didnt want to run Chromatic Lantern because of the cmc. Everflowing Chalice I like because it starts at 2 and at any point of the game if I draw it I could put more into it if i had the mana to spare. The Blood Moon situation is problematic so I might just do that, maybe in place of Mana Vault if i decide to drop it all together.

Malakir Rebirth  Flip is there as mana with a side of protection for my commander. Volrath's Stronghold is a very nice card just to rich for my blood.

Yes the maybe board is stuff I am considering as well as stuff I have pulled out. I like Gary and still may run him after I get my first 100 settled and tested I will move it around.

Geth's Grimoire may be a possibility. However I dont like the idea of giving the other players more answers. I want the hellbent and top decking much sooner then later.

Living Death is a card I may cut, I am not sure yet. I like the idea of all their boards getting sacked and becoming my creatures and I also get my graveyard back. Death Cloud is a win con. Mindslicer is the same kind of thing (with a sac outlet) I get all their permanents. Without a sac outlet I can beat away or hold as blocks. That is why I like this commander so much, "your stuff is my stuff.. Thanks!"

Dark Depths only works with Thespian's Stage . Vesuva enters as a copy so would have the counters on him. Thespian is already in play when copied so no counters. Either way this seems too meme for me :-)

I did notice a big flaw that you pointed out .. I have no sac outlet so Miren, the Moaning Well High Market Phyrexian Tower any of those might be a good add. I like Deserted Temple but it is close to that to expensive area because I dont have one.

Thank you for taking the time to give some help and advice, I appreciate it.

forneyt on How To Lose Friends (Help)

1 month ago

I'm not sure what your playgroup consists of, or what your budget is, so I'll just rattle off some cards and (if needed) their budget alternatives, as well as what I would suggest replacing.

Mana Crypt or Charcoal Diamond in place of Mana Vault : 0-mana Sol Ring just seems strictly better, and the diamond generates colored mana, which is helpful for a low-CMC deck.

Vilis, Broker of Blood in place of Possessed Portal : You already have so many life loss cards, might as well profit from them even more!

Waste Not in place of Miasmic Mummy : Benefit from their discards even further.

Chromatic Lantern in place of Everflowing Chalice : Lantern fixes your lands that tap for colorless (or cabal coffers before you get it going), and keeps you from getting wrecked by Blood Moon by giving your "Mountains" the ability to tap for black.

Phyrexian Reclamation or Volrath's Stronghold in place of Malakir Rebirth  Flip: Repeatable reanimation really rocks!

I already see some other great cards in your maybeboard: Dark Confidant , Gray Merchant of Asphodel , Thoughtseize , and Necropotence among them. Confidant is "draw" without the "draw", which can be an important distinction for certain cards (cough cough Chains of Mephistopheles cough cough Nekusar, the Mindrazer cough cough). Gary is an alternate wincon and also replenishes your health after you drain yourself with your own cards. Thoughtseize basically is "I want this card in your hand" with your commander, and Necropotence is just a broken card that gives you more cards than you can cast.

I feel like your deck may be missing some draw power, so I would suggest Geth's Grimoire , the previously mentioned Vilis, and Howling Mine / Mikokoro, Center of the Sea . With all the discard potential, these last two shouldn't be a problem if your opponents get a couple cards!

For any combo of the above suggestions, I would consider cutting Living Death , Death Cloud , Tangle Wire , and Mindslicer . My reasoning for these four specifically is that they are too mana costly and also negatively affect your boardstate in a way that doesn't put you ahead.

Lastly, I have some land suggestions that I am unsure what to cut for because you already have a decent selection. High Market is a great land, along with its alternate, Miren, the Moaning Well . Deserted Temple can be an extra Cabal Coffers or Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx . If you like to take risks, you could include Dark Depths for the classic Vesuva / Thespian's Stage combo!

seshiro_of_the_orochi on Kess, Dissident Mage

2 months ago

Ok, do you own this in paper or does "Dream Deck" mean this is where you want to end up? No matter what, that's one hell of a deck, for sure. You did a very good job building this.

There's one card that seems off: Furnace of Rath seems like it could be more harmful than helpful for you. The fact it also doubles damage from opposing sources to you and your permanents as well seems very risky here. As budget doesn't seem to be a problem (correct or not?), Fiery Emancipation might be better here. At least it only counts your damage.

Nekusar, the Mindrazer would be a great inclusion (and maybe even a better commander, if maybe a little obvious). The same goes for Fate Unraveler and Underworld Dreams . Bag of Holding is a fun card, but it propably doesn't fit the rest of the deck power-level-wise. Finally, there's Bone Miser as somewhat of another copy of Waste Not .

Dete on First Serious Mid-Range Deck

2 months ago

if you want to go into a hand disruption deck, consider 8-rack for a quick guide ( Shrieking Affliction , The Rack , Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage +cards like Raven's Crime , Wrench Mind , etc.

Surgical Extraction its just a good card that helps pretty much any deck and Waste Not its a neat card (expensive tho)

Tzefick on Vexxus, Lich King

3 months ago

I kinda feel like it is a bit too self-contained. Like how does this really incentivize you to build around him? I mean you can just run discard to make him a hand denial engine ( Sadistic Hypnotist says hi), but how do you really build around his Zombie making abilities? Then you would need cards like Howling Mine and Font of Mythos , Anvil of Bogardan to grant the opponents cards you can later have them discard to gain the benefits. However you can only activate the ability as a sorcery, so they get their turn to get rid of their cards and thus deny you more tokens.

He seems to be designed as a token generator but comes more across as a discard engine that keeps players low on gas. Stax can work in competitive environments, but I find the creative possibilities around the card a bit lacking.

I think the concept could be fun akin to Waste Not and Bone Miser , but I think it would be more fun/engaging if you could build more around him.

Just airing some ideas or concepts for a direction the card could take.

Vexxus, Lich King

Legendary - Zombie Knight Wizard

Attacking Zombies you control have Deathtouch.

Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you may have that player draw a card then discard a card, then you do the same.

Whenever an opponent discards a card, create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token.

6/6


Alternative on the discard trigger:

Whenever an opponent discards a card, if the discarded card was a land card, that player loses 3 life. Otherwise you create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token.


I changed the cost to 2 colorless and 4 blacks. This better allows colorless mana rocks, cost reductions and splashing in other colors than mono-black, and there's 6 pips to Devotion, which does seem a bit excessive if for no other reason than Gray Merchant of Asphodel .

I added Knight to his subtypes to allow more broad synergies with say Haakon, Stromgald Scourge or within the 99 in a Knight themed deck.

Giving all your Zombies deathtouch makes combat with you a real pain. Only giving it to attacking Zombies makes you less problematic to attack into but if the opponent wants to stop the onslaught of zombies, they may need to trade into some zombies on the defense or deal with your Commander. I know Death Baron exists, but he doesn't both produce the zombies and make them troublesome.

I was unsure about the enabling ability. The active ability doesn't require you to do anything with the Lich but sit back and slowly drain your opponents of their cards and create a mass army of zombies. It also presented a limit on the zombie generating ability.

I wanted to make it scalable so you could actually amplify the effect and build around him. However just slapping Larceny on a body with a Waste Not benefit seemed a little strong on the stax front, which could be a frustrating aspect of playing against this Commander.

If you instead make it a looting effect, there's a guarantee that it triggers the beneficial discard trigger and it would not be card disadvantage to the opponent, so it can be allowed to be "stronger" because that opponent isn't locked out. Instead they are actually getting a benefit in terms of card selection. This means that opponent can much quicker assemble an answer to your horde of zombies. To counter act this, you choose if the looting happens AND if it does, you get in on it.

Now it is true that you could potentially accrue a lot of zombies that, given they get through could double each round and you can quickly swarm the board with zombies. However that is not far from what Najeela, the Blade-Blossom can do. And this Commander costs 6 MV (mana value) and is mono colored.

It is possible that the discard trigger should be dependent on the cards discarded - making the opponent have a choice in what happens. Either they lose lose lands and take additional damage or they lose gas and you get more bodies.

Additionally it could be considered to let the tokens enter untapped, since they don't have Deathtouch through the Commander when on the defense.

This is generally taking the idea of the hand denial and coupling it with the specter benefits for a more Voltron style support with Zombies as a more defensive tool.

Vexxus, Lich King

Legendary Creature - Zombie Knight

Deathtouch, Menace

Whenever Vexxus deals combat damage to a player, that player discards two cards. Then put two +1/+1 counters on Vexxus for each player with no cards in hand.

Whenever an opponent discards a card, create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token.

, sacrifice a Zombie: Vexxus gains Indestructible until end of turn.

3/6

Vexxus, Lich King

Legendary Creature - Zombie Wizard

At the beginning of each player's end step, that player discards a card.

Whenever an opponent discards a card, create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token.

, sacrifice a creature: choose one --

  • Target player loses 3 life.
  • Each player draws a card and loses 1 life.
  • Target creature gets -2/-1 until end of turn.

3/5

philosopher on Discard Monoblack Pioneer

3 months ago

Hello DemonDante,

Oh my, I did not realize how expensive Waste Not became.

In that case, Tergrid is cheaper and provides you with more value.

Thanks,

Philosopher

DemonDante on Discard Monoblack Pioneer

3 months ago

philosopher, thank you for the tips! I'm Trying to get a budget list, and Waste Not is kinda expensive... But I really Liked Tergrid, God of Fright  Flip. Didn't know it, and I will try to get it As soon as possible. TY!

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