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Sylvan Tutor Discussion
1 day ago
certain cards you may really like for the +1 +1 counter strategy: Spike Weaver it gives you the ability to repeat fogs over and over against people who like to swing. Archangel of Thune + Spike Feeder give you the ability to go hecka tall hecka quick and make your dudes as big as you want em. Plaxcaster Frogling gives you the ability to protect your boys with counters on them for hecka cheap.
More two mana rocks would be better in your deck then some of the others you chose. look up the full set of talisman cards and throw in some more signets. they recently just completed the cycle of all 10 talisman and those are just nice and cheap ways to assure you get mana faster. the first three turns of a non cEDH game tend to be all set up. having stuff to do on the first few turns is pretty sweet. also throw in Coalition Relic over Darksteel Ingot . you lose out on the indestructible, but gain so much more mana out of it because of atraxa
because you can be a bit more of a combo deck that a guarantee you the people you play with don't expect, you wanna have more tutors in the deck. now you COULD run counterspells, or hear me out, you could run more tutors. stuff like Eladamri's Call , Demonic Tutor , Vampiric Tutor , Enlightened Tutor , Worldly Tutor , Sylvan Tutor and of course instead of Diabolic Tutor try Mastermind's Acquisition . it's the same cost but also throws on a second mode for a wish so just in case people exile something you really could have wanted to use you can grab that bad boy back. also a better tamiyo to run is Tamiyo, Field Researcher .
4 days ago
Wow this deck is looking pretty strong, but also really unhealthy for every playgroup, because your only way to win, is by winning with the simpliest 2 card combo ever... You could also play Tooth and Nail to win while using entwine. Other very strong cards I can highly recommend: Victimize , Jarad's Orders , Fact or Fiction , Mirri's Guile & Sylvan Tutor
4 weeks ago
Rings of Brighthearth and Illusionist's Bracers for sure. Also for top deck manipulation, Scroll Rack , Sensei's Divining Top all the tutors from Vampiric Tutor to Sylvan Tutor . The good top deck manipulation cards like Brainstorm .
4 weeks ago
KongMing brings an interesting point that I'm not sure has been established: "Almost any fetch land (...)"
I know I am taking this out of context, but there are a ton of cards that tutor without exactly being thought of as a "tutor".
Lands are also tutors. Literally all Fetch lands, including Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse , not to mention cards that search for lands such as Expedition Map , Sylvan Scrying , Tempt with Discovery , Reap and Sow , etc.
Heck, we even have Planar Bridge which is just an all-around basic tutor engine.
Then we get into Planeswalkers such as Nahiri, the Harbinger , Samut, the Tested , Garruk, Caller of Beasts , Tezzeret the Seeker , Sarkhan, Dragonsoul , Sarkhan Unbroken , and Liliana Vess to name a decent portion of them.
So "tutors" seem to be a lot more expansive than just the basic 1 - 4 CMC black sorcerys we are use to thinking of. To ask for an "archetype" that has none of these as well as the vast swath of unmentioned cards is actually kind of backbreaking to build. You purposely have to go out of your way to not at least consider some type of card in some kind of color(s) to assist you with. At that point, you're really building more of a challenge deck to test your skill as a deck builder, such as a "one-word tribal" or "goofy hats matter" deck.
It can be done. I'm sure there are tons and tons of decks out there that don't have a single tutor in them, but at the same time those are probably going to be mono-colored decks that have some sort of serious draw potential or so much duplication in terms of cards they select that they don't really NEED to find anything because it's probably going to be right there on top. Decks like this include: Aristocrats, Burn, Ramp, & Zoo.
At least, that's my thoughts on the matter. Either way, it's a good discussion to have as it helps set the tone on how to explore other hub ideas in the future :)
1 month ago
tallman4444 Nah, Shredder actually has been a reasonably useful card IMO. Stopping Vampiric Tutor , Imperial Seal , Worldly Tutor , Mystical Tutor , Sylvan Tutor , etc. as well as shutting down Doomsday combos, some recursive loops with Noxious Revival or Reclaim , as well as hurting Sensei's Divining Top s from opponents or milling dead cards you see on top of your own deck with Top or Future Sight , such as by milling a land that would otherwise stop you from comboing off on a turn. Milling yourself with a Dig Through Time is useful, and occasionally can find other niche uses. I have rarely not found some use for it, even if it is just milling what someone Brainstorm ed to top in response to a Thoughtseize style effect ;)
1 month ago
Yo! RG decks are interesting. Here's what I think -- feel free to disregard it:
The main attraction of running green is having access to one-mana mana-dorks. Llanowar Elves , Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic and Orcish Lumberjack will all speed up your deck tremendously, while giving you bodies for Overwhelming Stampede or similar finishers. Exploration is a good accelerator, though it can be expensive; search for tomorrow is similar. There are some two- or three-mana dorks you might also want to consider, like Priest of Titania , Shaman of Forgotten Ways and Somberwald Sage . Having dorks ramps green faster than any other color is capable of.
Overwhelming Stampede is an excellent card; in that vein, Overrun and Triumph of the Hordes are both good finishers. If you want to put money into the deck, Craterhoof Behemoth is a great card in Legacy Elves that also works here. Grabbing Craterhoof with something like Natural Order can produce a really fast win. Green Sun's Zenith is another good tutor-spell, which can also fetch Dryad Arbor turn one.
I see you're running Nature's Lore . Farseek is a great card to fetch a mountain, especially if you choose to run Stomping Ground , Sheltered Thicket and/or Cinder Glade . Taiga is good, too, but that's pushing $200 these days... effing OG duals.
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is a good card, and an affordable version of Gaea's Cradle . Similarly, Slate of Ancestry is a very underrated EDH card that would be a powerhouse in this deck. In the line of card-draw, Beast Whisperer and Harmonize are worth considering.
Karplusan Forest , Spire Garden , Command Tower and Grove of the Burnwillows are four excellent non-basic, ETB-untapped lands for your colors. You should run these, if at all possible. I think they're better than Jund Panorama and Naya Panorama , as well as Rogue's Passage . You should consider Kessig Wolf Run , as well as cutting one or two lands from the final list.
Depending on how sadistic you are, you may also want to consider running some stax pieces. Thorn of Amethyst is an excellent card in most green decks, as these decks tend to produce oodles of mana and not cast too many non-creature spells. Pyrostatic Pillar and Eidolon of the Great Revel are excellent ways to keep low-curved decks in check. Harsh Mentor varies with meta calls, though it can be very strong. Stranglehold can ruin some strategies, and Price of Glory can nuke counter-heavy decks. Similarly, Vexing Shusher is useful to avoid getting countered, especially since you don't have to activate it until after an opponent casts a counterspell. Scab-Clan Berserker is worth considering.
I suggest Gamble . It's the best tutor in your colors. Eternal Witness is another pretty good card you may want to consider to get you back in the game after a board-wipe. I suggest running Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence for the same reason.
Your spot removal will be dependent on how hard you want to lean into Ruric Thar, the Unbowed . If you want to keep him, Reclamation Sage and similar effects are the way to go. Without him, or while thinking of him as a secondary creature, you should run Nature's Claim and/or Krosan Grip . Chain of Acid is an interesting card I've been wondering about recently, so you may be interested in experimenting with it. Hull Breach is similar to Decimate , and is often a two-for-one. Shattering Spree , By Force , Ancient Grudge , Vandalblast and Fiery Confluence are good as well.
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion is an efficient, powerful creature that helps cycle away dead cards in your hand, all while generating mana. Huntmaster of the Fells Flip is another super-efficient creature. Boartusk Liege is valuable for its anthem effect and not-insignificant body. Siege Behemoth is another recommendation, for obvious reasons.
Depending on your meta, Sunder Shaman , Choke , Carpet of Flowers , Flashfires and Boil are options. If you keep your mana-base with only a few non-basics, Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon and Ruination are good cards. If your meta is super aggressive, you should consider Loxodon Warhammer or Basilisk Collar in order to recoup life points. Runic Armasaur is another good consideration if your meta has a lot of fetch lands and the like.
Strionic Resonator is a way to copy your general's trigger, and may be tremendously helpful. Resolving them in succession on the same creature results in quadrupled power.
Alright, that's all I got for now. I hope you found these suggestions at least a little helpful. Good luck with deck building!
1 month ago
Well hello there Inkmoth, nice deck you got here.
Have you been running into many exile effects? Riftsweeper could very well have a place here, plus it has value against food chain decks that put cast from exile creatures into exile with cheap tutors. Certainly a flex spot but I bet the new Sisay will spark another round of FC decks (I've been thinking about building one lol).
You should consider the usually laughable Sunscorched Desert . It acts as a second win condition with Crop Rotation loops if Shaman is offline or unavailable. Use the Mouth of Ronom loop with the desert to kill players.
I also have three spicy suggestions that go together, but they are hard to tutor in mono G and most likely don't fit. Rings of Brighthearth Sensei's Divining Top Voltaic Key . Rings can combo with Top as an outlet for infinite mana. Top can also generate infinite mana/draw with Paradox Engine and Voltaic Key . Rings lets you combo off with Deserted Temple and Cradle or Itlimoc or Nykthos, provided they produce high enough mana counts. Rings also combos off with Key + Thousand-Year Elixir + any big dork that can generate 5+ mana
Top has the benefit of allowing you to sauce on opponents from a zone they have a hard time hitting. It would allow let you up tutor density with Sylvan Tutor . Works well with Worldly Tutor and Noxious Revival , plus gives effective card advantage when using Fetchlands to shuffle away bad top 3.
1 month ago
The easiest way to speed up a deck is by removing ETB tapped lands. I highly suggest running Command Tower , as well as City of Brass and Mana Confluence . If you have access to it, Cavern of Souls is a good option for any tribal deck, but Unclaimed Territory is another good option. Forbidden Orchard , Exotic Orchard and Reflecting Pool are more interesting lands to consider.
Green dorks and two-mana rocks are also very good. I see you're running Birds of Paradise , but Elves of Deep Shadow , Llanowar Elves , Rampant Growth , Fyndhorn Elves , Orcish Lumberjack and (if you can) Noble Hierarch are also great additions. If you want to invest relatively heavily into your dork-base, Bloom Tender is REALLY good in chromatic decks. If you find yourself facing a lot of blue decks, Carpet of Flowers is a good idea, too; Joiner Adept acts as a second Chromatic Lantern .
Fellwar Stone is good. The talisman cycles ( Talisman of Dominance , Talisman of Indulgence , Talisman of Impulse , Talisman of Unity , Talisman of Progress and the new five from Modern Horizons) are all good; I suggest that most, if not all, of your mana rocks should be two or less mana. Using a land like Ancient Tomb also helps cast these turn one. Signets like Dimir Signet or Boros Signet are good too, although I think most of the time the talismans will be better. Gilded Lotus is a good exception to my CMC rule in a deck with as many fat creatures as yours.
I don't think Nissa's Renewal is very good; generally, ramp is good in the early game, but not so good by the time you reach six mana. Nature's Lore , Rampant Growth , Farseek , Cultivate and/or Kodama's Reach are all powerful ramp spells you can fire off early. I think the first three are better, if only because they can fetch non-basics like Breeding Pool or Godless Shrine . I'm not as much a fan of the other two, but experience will show if they're worth including. Finally, I think Skyshroud Claim is better than Explosive Vegetation .
If at all possible, tutors are good. Demonic Tutor is the gold standard here, but Diabolic Tutor is a good, more affordable alternative. Vampiric Tutor , Worldly Tutor , Sylvan Tutor , Dark Petition and Gamble are all good cards as well, though their affordability varies tremendously.
Red comes with good counter counter magic options. Price of Glory is a good card if you want to discourage opponents playing on your turn, and Pyroblast is a good way to stop Counterspell and friends. Cards like Pyrostatic Pillar can punish decks with lower curves.
Card draw is at a premium in EDH. Staff of Nin is easy on the colored mana and gives you an extra draw each turn, and Phyrexian Arena is another good option. Harmonize , Concentrate and Painful Truths are good draw-threes.
Because your deck is running a LOT of fatties (and the best fatties, at that, 'cause they're dragons), you may find cards like Lurking Predators is be pretty good; Descendants' Path is a similar card. Depending on how fatty-heavy your meta is, Eureka effects like Show and Tell may be good. Sneak Attack is good if you want to use one-time face-smacks like Nicol Bolas or your already included Oros, the Avenger .
If you DON'T want to run dorks, and opt for artifact ramp instead, depending on your meta you may have a good time with cards like Porphyry Nodes or Night of Souls' Betrayal . Effects like Pyroclasm and Volcanic Fallout can also wipe out opponent's boards if they choose to go wide.
I think EDH decks tend to need a lot of mass removal. By Force is a favorite of mine, and Toxic Deluge , Wrath of God , Ritual of Soot and Supreme Verdict are all great if you have access to them. Back to Nature is good if you choose to cut down on the number of enchantments you're running, but Nature's Claim or Krosan Grip are also pretty good options.
If your curve is really high, things like Timesifter can be pretty brutal.
I'm not super sure Niv-Mizzet Reborn is very good. I don't know if you'll be getting very much card advantage, because you have a lot of cards that are more or less than exactly two colors. I think a card-draw spell like the ones I mentioned above would be better, like Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time .
Good luck with deck building my man!
Sylvan Tutor occurrence in decks from the last year
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