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Forbidden Orchard Discussion
2 hours ago
+1, love the partners a ton!
9 hours ago
1 day ago
+1 for Yidris any day!
Tarnished Citadel, City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Exotic Orchard, Forbidden Orchard and the other 5 color lands would help a lot with fixing, would you consider running them over some temples or the like?
1 day ago
+1 for any deck with this much pure destruction, would you consider getting any of the good 5 color lands like City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Forbidden Orchard, Tarnished Citadel or Exotic Orchard? Maybe a Brainstorm or Preordain for some extra hand crafting goodness?
1 day ago
2 days ago
hey PrepaidLenin cool deck!
i understand your perspective tuning a deck on a no-richman level for metas where everyone is on that same page. i think though your deck can have some good upgrades without suggesting the typical cedh money powerstaples.
this will be in no particular order about importance.
it wont be uncommon for you to fetch RIP at any stage of the game and thus has antisynergy with crucible. i know geddon but you probably want zur anyway before geddon and this would be winmore. having it late to striplock one player is not as good as Mana Vortex. basically i think often the ups dont outwheight the tempo loss i generates when played early. and your deck does not have all the best mana so you should better make some better tempo elsewhere. if you want to abuse your graveyard i think even Dig Through Time is way better in this deck. if that is not what you desire Dark Ritual can be that unexpected extra mana especially when not having the best manarocks. its good for necro its good after necro its good with early rocks or powers out you threat and geddon the same turn to foolowup somene elses boeard sweeper. flexibility in mana really is important for control decks. they dont always need all the mana but sometimes they can profit from that little bit extra mana to turn a corner.
the dynamo also costs alot of mana and thus also is only good if you can make a followup play. but your deck only has so many artifacts where most of them are also mana (that would be double ramp). Gilded Lotus is a much better card in your deck as you can nearly play any card you want from its mana. be that counter removal draw whatever it works. if you really want ramp in this slot you might test Everflowing Chalice as its flexible in that it can ramp zur or get bigger. otherwise you might test Aven Mindcensor. even though he cant live through your wraths he is very good. if you dont like that i recommend Yahenni's Expertise in this slot as it can act as a reverse dynamo in that you get your spell and a followup ramp or even something else.
Coalition Relic is the better tempo player than worn powerstone. you can use its mana for interaction or tutors if needed and if not you have your +2 mana next turn anyway. being colored makes up for not having +2 every turn as in control having the option when to use it makes it good.
Vindicate is a card i also struggled to let go. but its sorcery speed. for me this could never outmatch the upside of destroing a land compared to Anguished Unmaking. so in a control deck like this i could make much more use out of Utter End. i stil play the T-fighter but in more tempo oriented aggressive decks. this could be your Cursed Totem slot too.
Mind Twist is a meta thing. if it works for you thats good but i often found Tasigur's Cruelty better in spellheavy decks. you should try it though i dont know what the better here as the twist can also be very good in multiplayer.
there are some lands that can etb tapped under certain circumstances. there are those new battlebond multiplayer lands. i guess BU and UW should be upgrades.
the ravnica bouncelands are bad. vulnerable and only grand cardadvantage. it says yes to geddon but no to zur as you cannot play them turn 1 and turn 2 they dont help casting a manarock. these yould be replaced by Terramorphic Expanse and that other one thats the same rulestext. they come in tapped too so its justifiable. both help brainstorm and top.
we know this type of deck wants zur. but Wasteland often is overrated especially if you keep vindicate along geddon that you play anyway. so Hall of the Bandit Lord is very good. atleast if you can manage to cut more tapped lands for colored etb untapped lands. i play Tarnished Citadel in control zur as i do Forbidden Orchard too. going for your own value rather than setting you and one opponent back is often the better play. thus i think one should always weight which lands deserve the colorless slots as there should not be too many. Crystal Vein for example can be that crucial one extra mana.
basically when not having the best mana in hand going for more tempo plays can often be the last bit to get there more consistent. smothing the deck makes it not draw into awkward situations where you stil do something and mabe you dont notice but you slowly fall behind. the more flexible the mana the better the control deck can navigate to make the right plays at the right times imo.
3 days ago
I'm a pretty big fan of dinosaurs, this deck overall looks good, could use a little work though. As far as lands go, I'd add in Jungle Shrine, Path of Ancestry, Rogue's Passage, and Kessig Wolf Run. If you want to splurge and ensure you can color fix more reliably, maybe throw in City of Brass, Mana Confluence, and Forbidden Orchard too. One of my favorite cards in this deck is Congregation at Dawn because it can either set up your commander to do crazy work, or just set you up for a combo, or even just grab a few mana dorks. Defense of the Heart is also a fantastic card in this deck. I like to run Return to Dust in any deck that can run it because it's stellar removal. I see you have a couple Huatli planeswalkers, and they're good, but I'd also consider Domri Rade and Samut, the Tested. As for creatures, I see you have a few that can trigger the 'Enrage' keyword, but only two creatures that have the keyword. I built my dino deck around that keyword becuase I think it's really powerful. Consider adding in Bellowing Aegisaur, Ripjaw Raptor, Siegehorn Ceratops, Silverclad Ferocidons, and Trapjaw Tyrant. I'd also consider adding in Zacama, Primal Calamity, Temple Altisaur, and Territorial Hammerskull. For creatures to support your dinos, Drover of the Mighty, Druid of the Anima, and Priest of the Wakening Sun and all pretty good. Odric, Lunarch Marshal is an include in this deck because of all the keywords flying around, Zetalpa, Primal Dawn is a reason enough to include him. They're not dinos, but there are two gods from Theros block that are great in here (and in general) Xenagos, God of Revels and Iroas, God of Victory are worthy includes in my opinion. For artifacts I like Door of Destinies and Caltrops to trigger your enrage abilities. Those are just a few suggestions, if you want to check out my dinosaur tech I'll link it here.
3 days ago
My main concern of the deck is the "competitive" tag. That tag would imply this deck is a fully optimized, competitive list, able to see play against the best decks of the format, and still have a decent winrate.
This list, from what I see, is not able to accomplish this.
I honestly do not know what this deck is trying to do, as there was not a primer for it, nor an explanation, but I will look and see, If I am wrong in my analysis, please correct me, and I will apologize promptly if I am mistaken entirely.
It looks like a Shadowborn Apostle deck, that is using the apostles to cheat out few choice demons, of which there are 7 total, out of them Demon of Death's Gate and Ravenous Demon Flip are simply large beatsticks, and so are basically useless for a cEDH deck, Indulgent Tormentor is the same unless you team with an opponent, and Rune-Scarred Demon is a Demonic Tutor on a stick. Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is a big hate-on search, but the 10 life and sacrifice a creature should barely hurt a player unless they are paradox combo with Captain Sisay or Arcum Dagsson, and so they use a Swords to Plowshares on it or Pongify and then combo off. Harvester of Souls is decent card draw, and Razaketh, the Foulblooded is actual tutoring.
What can you tutor for or draw to win? Not much I am afraid you only have 6 removal spells, and they aren't very good for these colors, no Dismember or anything else really.
Without Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond, Mana Vault, Fellwar Stone, Mind Stone, Lotus Petal, or Chrome Mox type effects, you can't legitimately expect to pull a win with this deck at a competitve table, and your card draw is just horrendous.
At least I would suggest you do the courtesy of running your good tutors, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal and Grim Tutor (some decks don't need Grim Tutor), along with Necropotence for draw and Ad Nauseam + Angel's Grace for the draw your deck.
May I ask about you landbase?
Commonly, for a competitive deck, the usually 2-color landbase looks like:
City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Caves of Koilos, Fetid Heath, Concealed Courtyard, Command Tower, Forbidden Orchard, Exotic Orchard, Reflecting Pool, Gemstone Caverns, and Tarnished Citadel (the 11 unfetchable duals in your colors)
This 31 card landbase is fully tuned and optimized for a competitive deck, why does yours not run the rest of the good fetches, and all of the good duals?
To be entirely honest, I don't think this is a bad deck, and don't want to offend you or your deck-building skills, but I would hope you drop the "competitive" tag or change the deck a lot, it is mis-leading as it is.
If you want any deck-building advice on how to make this deck competitive, I suggest heading on over to Why Every Commander is Competitive and learning from that resource I set up for new players to cEDH.