: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
Whenever you tap Forbidden Orchard for mana, target opponent creates a 1/1 colourless Spirit creature token.
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|Want (2)||MarkTaylorTSax , ImGefest|
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|Commander 2016 (C16)||Rare|
|Zendikar Expeditions (EXP)||Mythic Rare|
|From the Vault: Realms (V12)||Mythic Rare|
|Champions of Kamigawa (CHK)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Forbidden Orchard occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
Forbidden Orchard Discussion
2 days ago
Not too much, but my meta has a number of low creature count decks running around, so I thought maybe running a couple cards besides Forbidden Orchard to ensure triggers might be worth it.
2 days ago
Very cool! I have a similar Karona deck: Gift of War
You might like these cards: Assault Suit, Seed the Land, Darien, King of Kjeldor, Tahngarth, First Mate, Artifact Mutation, Aura Mutation, Infernal Genesis, Sword of the Animist, Moonsilver Spear, Armadillo Cloak, Alliance of Arms, Tempt with Vengeance, Flurry of Wings, Arachnogenesis, Forbidden Orchard, Angel's Trumpet
1 week ago
For myself and others, how to optimally pilot the deck
Philosophy behind the deck, ideally should be played with 2+ other players.
You are a hard to kill end game boss, blue is boring busted and broken and is also expensive. Try to go for cards that will keep your hand healthy since we are not running blue so think how much you can squeeze out of one card for maximum value.
while Triskelion will want cards like Defense of the Heart , Tooth and Nail with the added 2 colorless for entwine (if it's already in hand just pick a different creature and still summon the creatures you want in hand.)
Shifting Shadow will still work even if you are trying to destroy an indestructible creature during upkeep reveal the next creature while still keeping the previous one. Can be easily retrieved if no graveyard hate.
Sun Titan can even get a land into play
Chromatic Lantern can negate damage lands and lands with downside and can make useless lands useful.
Birthing Pod you can sacrifice zero cmc token creatures for a one drop ect.
1 week ago
Any Glissa, the Traitor deck rude enough to play Mindslaver should be running Forbidden Orchard. These three cards form a perma-lock on a single player so long as you are not disrupted. Also, consider looking into some self mill. With Glissa, your graveyard becomes a toolbox/hand-extension that you really want to see filled. Dakmor Salvage, Stinkweed Imp and Golgari Thug are all cheap dredgers that can turn one card draw into 2-5 in the graveyard. Hell, even Golgari Grave-Troll is cheap now that it's banned in modern. If you want to break the bank a bit, Life from the Loam and good utility lands like Strip Mine, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or Cabal Coffers are all very happy to live in this deck. If you're looking for cards to drop, I know they can be fun and are a little safer to use with Glissa's ability, but cards like Nemesis Mask and Viridian Longbow are so, so much better off as instant speed removal spells like Putrefy or Windgrace's Judgment. Golgari removal spells hit a wider range of targets and many run at instant speed, making them far more versatile than the cheeky equipment shenanigans Glissa can do. Remember, all she cares about is seeing a creature die, she doesn't need to be the one to do it! Hope something here helps you out. I have a 75% Glissa deck that runs several of the cards I mentioned here and I have to say she is easily my favorite commander. Best of luck!
1 week ago
Hey, Worldgorger Dragon combo could replace Iona. Emergence Zone could replace Sanctuary. Reanimation is a good secondary strategy with Kaalia and reanimation is what enablers Worldgorger combo. Bogardan Hellkite can be a win condition with the Worldgorger combo and Kaalia can cheat Hellkite onto the battlefield. The Worldgorger combo would give you an alternative way to win the game which has synergy with Kaalia and strategies you want to play with Kaalia.
Cards to consider adding for Worldgorger combo:
- Enablers: Necromancy, Dance of the Dead, Emergence Zone
- Win Conditions: Bogardan Hellkite, Sunscorched Desert, Cut / Ribbons
Other cards to consider adding:
- Phyrexian Reclamation: repeatable recursion for Kaalia so she doesn't have to keep going to the Command Zone. Combine the repeatable recursion with hand/wheel discard to have more access to putting big creatures into your hand to cheat them onto the battlefield with Kaalia.
- Dark Ritual
- Faithless Looting
- Buried Alive
- Arcane Signet
- Exotic Orchard
- Forbidden Orchard
Cards to consider cutting:
- Seraph Sanctuary
- Dragonskull Summit
- Clifftop Retreat
- Isolated Chapel
- Iona, Shield of Emeria
- Archfiend of Depravity
- Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
- Lord of the Void
- Angelic Arbiter
- Baneslayer Angel
- Merciless Eviction
- Duelist's Heritage
- Strionic Resonator
- Utter End
Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
Any plans to update your mana base? Could use a few shocks and some fetches possibly. Not sure what your budget is, but i figure you can probably afford a few of them if you own an expropriate lol. Exotic Orchard and Forbidden Orchard could be good for ya.
3 weeks ago
I would highly suggest adding to your mana base, 37 lands are fine, but you have little to none fixing, in fact, 27/37 of your lands are basic, if I were to add lands, I would add the vivid lands, such as Vivid Creek, they add such good fixing for 5 color decks. also Forbidden Orchard would fit well in the deck. And also Cavern of Souls is a must-have in tribal decks with 5 colors. you might want so more ramp cards in there because gods aren't exactly cheap. A good commander card that I would highly suggest for any commander deck including white is Smothering Tithe, other than that it looks amazing, and it is a great idea to have god tribal, keep up the good work.
1 month ago
I've been making changes, some have worked out, some not so much. Still having the same challenge getting the Avg Win Turn down to 4 or below, however, I have seen the combo win-% go up dramatically, almost never kill with combat damage anymore ( Rakdos the Defiler and Kaalia of the Vast + Master of Cruelties are the exceptions).
Giving Dockside Extortionist a fair test, so far no feeling either way, hasn't been stellar, hasn't been a disappointment. I put Corpse Dance in to give him an Infinite Combo so he has the best opportunity to impress me, we'll see. He is not my style of card, anything that relies on my opponents doing something, I generally avoid, but still evaluating what he is, recently added.
I've actually removed every (except Hall of the Bandit Lord ) non-T1 land, so Meteor Crater won't meet my criteria. Also trying to cut down on the # of non- Worldgorger Dragon effective lands where I can too (like Sacred Foundry ), that way if I T1 Worldgorger Dragon can make infinite with "most" lands.
Reflecting Pool , Dragonskull Summit (all check lands), and others have been eliminated, hate not having a on T1. I do like having Swamp and Plains , also note I've added Snow-Covered Swamp as well, to mitigate Blood Moon type effects, and utilize the Path to Exile and Assassin's Trophy (and some other ramp spells) benefits.
Forbidden Orchard is good, but doesn't work great with Master of Cruelties which I still play, mana sourcing is still quite good and consistent anyway, so no need to go the Forbidden Orchard or Tarnished Citadel routes anyway unless makes strategic sense.
Mox Opal just never going there, I ran another Mox Opal probability table this past weekend for a Kess, Dissident Mage friend, I just don't like it, I won't share the whole table, but here is some reasons why. Also, keep in mind, this probability is only the probability of drawing 3 artifacts (assuming you draw a Mox Opal whats the chance you have 2 others), if I were to do P(Drawing 3 artifacts) union P(drawing Mox Opal ) would be VERY low.
T1 with 18 artifacts is only 11%. By turn 5 (ignoring additional draw for now) is only 32%. At 24 artifacts T1 is 22% and T4 (want to win on or before this turn) 52%. 28 artifacts gets close to a good playability at T1 31% and T4 58%, but I feel if Kaalia of the Vast has 28 artifacts, just to engage a Mox Opal you should probably be playing a different commander, because their just aren't that many utility artifacts for Kaalia of the Vast .
Final Parting would allow for a Animate Dead tutor and a Worldgorger Dragon GY, but also need something to do with the infinite mana or have a damage outlet ( Dragon Tempest or Bogardan Hellkite ). So at CMC7 ( Animate Dead is CMC2), I'm better off running a Doomsday pile, which I've also decided is too high CMC.
Scheming Symmetry is tempting ( Sensei's Divining Top also works), but still don't have enough draw to make it viable. With I think could be viable, but I've also seen it removed by players with draw attached to their commanders, it's just too risky, basically gives your opponent the ability to stop you and then win themselves, likely. If Scheming Symmetry was Instant it could work with Mishra's Bauble and would be a playable/fantastic tutor, but drawing your card on their turn isn't good because our Infinite combos are sorcery speed (you can build an instant speed, but it starts degrading synergy).
Thoughtseize has been fantastic and very useful, plus it's modular ability to get Worldgorger Dragon out of my hand, it's helped me avoid walking into chaos by seeing the control players hand and either knowing or removing a catastrophic play.
Right now pretty sure I need Simian Spirit Guide , the is blah, but he gives me the for Animate Dead on T1, and gives me an Animate Dead target to stop the Worldgorger Dragon loop and play out my hand, hopefully tutors or a Razaketh, the Foulblooded in a perfect scenario. So like Swamp + Entomb + Chrome Mox / Lotus Petal + Simian Spirit Guide + Animate Dead + something to do with mana (tutor probably, don't have Cut in my build) is another T1 win outlet. Tutor Razaketh, the Foulblooded , then sac Simian Spirit Guide to get Leonin Relic-Warder into Dance of the Dead and tutor up a Goblin Bombardment and a Necromancy with infinite tutor (bound by life but it's T1 and only need 2 tutors = 4 life), and then infinite damage. Hoping it will just give me another T1 path to win, which should inevitably lower my Avg win turn at some point.
Talisman of Conviction is on the potential cutting block, it's great net rock, but no .
I'm thinking of abandoning the combat damage line, so Gisela, Blade of Goldnight would go, but not quite there yet. Most don't like Avacyn, Angel of Hope , as removal is usually exile, hand or changes it's board state, rarely destroy, but gives an option from destroy effects, so I don't know yet. I took Balefire Dragon out, think I still need him, he probably could be a Fire Covenant but I like my control on my ADD, my interaction package is a little light I know that, only because I prefer to just try and win, opposed to trying to stop others from winning, just a philosophy, don't think it costs me wins.
Running out of ideas, doing research on Discord, going to look through a bunch more decks, already did comparisons to the Primers there, I'm never going Stax Ob Nixilis, Unshackled or maybe Aven Mindcensor / Chains of Mephistopheles maybe ill win the lotto one day / Stranglehold as far as I'll go if I do go that route.