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Great Oak Guardian
Creature — Treefolk
Flash (You may cast this spell at any time you could cast an instant.)
When Great Oak Guardian enters the battlefield, creatures target player controls get +2/+2 until end of turn. Untap them.
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Great Oak Guardian Discussion
1 week ago
All the ones I can think of either require some other card or condition to be instantly lethal when looped.
Great Oak Guardian requires at least one unsick creature (tapped or not) that can get through for each opponent.
Ishkanah, Grafwidow can win with infinite ETB and mana provided you have delirium.
Then if you have a way to give all your guys haste there are the token generating guys. I list this one last because the ways to give all your guys haste in Sultai are kinda circuitous.
2 weeks ago
The hackball list takes a few rounds to get used to, the main way for the mana is with Heritage Druid and Nettle Sentinel, this also negates your haste problem as everything keeps coming in. The list then can win by infinite pumps through Great Oak Guardian or if for some reason they angel's grace, you can still timetwister after you have ininite mana while your field is returned to hand and windfall loop with Ewit to mill everyone but yourself since you have more cards in your deck after you shuffled all cards back. There are other lines in there too, it just takes quite a bit of studying. The combo is actually lower in mana to start than the vizier of the menagerie line. Whether it's better than stuffing dramatic sceptor, paradox engine, flash hulk, or food chain mysthollow, people who have tested the list think it might be. Both decks are pretty reliant on Momir, it almost feels like Dralnu with creatures.
3 weeks ago
Great deck! Gave me some ideas. I'm building a similar deck, but using elves to fuel mana. Don't know if I'll stick with them yet, my meta has been playing quite a lot of artifact removals since Breya came out.
Great Oak Guardian combos with Kiki-jiki while untapping and buffing all your creatures. It also has flash.
1 month ago
@Erastaroth_The_Duchess_of_Hell Thank you for your input. Yes, after some time of consideration (and finding a playline that does not require Great Oak Guardian I also came to the conclusion that Laboratory Maniac is just better since it lets me cut Great Oak Guardian and Concordant Crossroads since I really dont need haste in this deck. Also I added Joraga Treespeaker since it is another 1cmc Elf and really helps with casting Momir. Chord of Calling also was not making the cut, I am currently testing Eldritch Evolution in its place since it can grab Vizier of the Menagerie with just one 2cmc-Creature and is also a sac-outlet for Hulk (altough a bad one.)
1 month ago
Hello there as a fellow Meren enthusiast I feel I may have some advice for you. You certainly have a lot of creatures and while Momma Meren loves her some creatures I feel as though you have a few too many. Verdant Force is a prime example of a card of which there are better options in the form of enchantments like how you have From Beyond in your maybeboard. It is much better because it m=has more survivability and it costs less. Another card that plays off of that is Awakening Zone. Both create tokens that Meren can sac. A few other creatures that are in my experience under performers are Great Oak Guardian, Vulturous Zombie, Centaur Vinecrasher, Cloudthresher, Kessig Cagebreakers terastadonBlood Bairn, Apocalypse Demon, Sifter Wurm, Hooded Assassin. They have a high cmc and/ or don't really do all that much. A few options for replacements would be things like Dictate of Erebos, Black Market, Diabolic Tutor, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Reclamation Sage, Beseech the Queen, Animate Dead, Strionic Resonator, Spore Frog(a champion of a Meren deck is this frog let me tell you), Viscera Seer, Merciless Executioner, Fleshbag Marauder, Buried Alive, Eldritch Evolution, Blood Artist, Zulaport Cutthroat, Beast Within, Pawn of Ulamog, Sifter of Skulls, Evolutionary Leap, Gonti, Lord of Luxury, Smothering Abomination, Living Death. They offer Meren much more support and help you get the most value out of what you got going on. Because when you have too many creatures the lack of support spells like the ones mentioned above can really slow you down and make you more vulnerable to board wipes and the like and limit your potential wincons. I would also heavily consider Dictate of Erebos over some of the curses because it can just do a lot of work for you. Another thing I noticed is you have Dredge listed in your tag list and I don't really see that much of a Dredge-y presence in the deck. Those are just some thoughts I have after playing both Budget and Much more Expensive versions of Meren for quite a while. But if you don't like what I have to say that's cool. I don't mean to offend at all. And ultimately the choices are your's anyways. So please tell me your thoughts on what I brought up!
Also here is my take on budget Meren that I mentioned earlier. Who Needs $200+ Dollar Decks???
1 month ago
Alright, understandable. The way I look at any deck is I give myself a set number of cards for each type or what each card offers. So since you want Treefolk/fatty bootied plants, I'd go with... 25 "theme" cards. 35 lands is my go to which would put you at 60 cards with the rest being support/fill. Of those remaining 40 I'd go, 5 wipes 5 spot removal, 10 draw, 10 ramp, and 10 general support. Of course you can tweak those numbers however, but it's good to have a basis. Once you start doing that you might realize you're going total overkill on one category and swapping cards around isn't as hard as it was (sometimes it is harder though lol).
All that said, a rough list I'd go with is something like this (again this is your deck and by all means take this with a grain of salt and/or ignore it if you see fit):
- Doran, the Siege Tower
- Black Poplar Shaman
- Bosk Banneret
- Great Oak Guardian
- Heartwood Storyteller
- Indomitable Ancients
- Kalonian Twingrove
- Leaf-Crowned Elder
- Magnigoth Treefolk
- Oakgnarl Warrior
- Orchard Warden
- Reach of Branches
- Sapling of Colfenor
- Seedguide Ash
- Thorntooth Witch
- Timber Protector
- Tree of Perdition
- Tree of Redemption
- Treefolk Harbinger
- Ulvenwald Observer
- Unstoppable Ash
- Verdeloth the Ancient
- Woodfall Primus
Regardless of what you do with any/all of that, good luck and hope you enjoy playing your deck!
1 month ago
Looping TKS indefinitely isn't easy, since you need coolorless mana to cast it. The current build could only do that with the help of a non-summoning sick Boreal Druid or by looping Sol Ring or Mana Crypt via Beast Within + Eternal Witness. Usually, setting that up requires drawing the deck, at which point this kind of kill isn't even necessary any more. Just kill all their permanents with Beast Within and Somberwald Stag, drop a couple of spheres (Sphere of Resistance, Thorn of Amethyst) and kill them with Craterhoof Behemoth or Great Oak Guardian (can easily wait until next turn if you lack attackers at that point).
So killing them with TKS is fine, but very rarely is an actual upgrade over what the deck already has. The card should be played for its disruptive power, and being a potential win condition should not factor into this.
3 months ago
fliers are less of an issue now with the additions of Spidersilk Armor, Squall Line, Great Oak Guardian and Pariah's Shield. however Constant Mists may be worth a look, even with that costly buyback, it may be better then Moment's Peace.
Its probably most fun to play of all my current edh decks as it runs well and can easily get out of control quickly even under adverse conditions, and despite ~72% of creatures being treefolk, it has quite the toolbox to pull from via the various green tutors. (Spike Weaver would probably have a place in the deck if i wasnt so focused on the saturation of treefolk and shaman creature types)