Kher Keep

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Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander 2013 (C13) Rare
Time Spiral (TSP) Rare

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Kher Keep

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Kher Keep Discussion

Driemer84 on Brudiclad's Repurposing Plant

1 month ago

After some testing I've got some ideas for changes.

Control Cuts: Release the Gremlins and Descent of the Dragons. Release is too expensive and not worth the couple tokens in provides. Descent of the Dragons has really only been used to blow up payoff cards on my side of the board like Chasm Skulker. You really only need one 4/4 dragon with Brudiclad to get the payoff since he'll turn whatever into a 4/4 once he's online, and I'm not really a fan of giving my opponents 4/4s even if it means taking out a couple key threats. This leads me to replacements.

Control Replacement: Vandalblast and Blasphemous Act. I think artifact destruction is an important option to have so Vandalblast comes in. I just don't think the 2/2s from Release is worth the mana it takes. Creature destruction is also important so Blasphemous Act comes in so we still have some board control.

Token Production Cuts: Saheeli's Artistry, Stolen Identity, and Followed Footsteps. This part may be controversial, but I think these cards are too expensive. Artistry and Stolen Identity may still be worth it because they create the token immediately, but I had mentioned earlier that relying on opponent's creatures isn't the best game plan. They either aren't something you want to create a bunch of or they are legendary. Followed Footsteps doesn't give you a payoff until your next upkeep. Too much can happen in three other players turns for me to want to spend 5 mana on it.

Note: Supplant Form is sticking around for now because I think the fact that it's instant speed and a form of pseudo removal make it worth while.

Token Production Replacements: Cackling Counterpart, Fated Infatuation, and Twinflame The downside here is that they all only target your creatures, but they are all half the price, and two of them are instant speed. I want to tune the deck to be more self reliant which is why I'm ok with having to target my own creatures. I realize Twinflame's token exiles at the end of the turn, but with Brudiclad online it won't matter.

Value Creature Cut: Reef Worm I've had Reef Worm on board and destroyed a couple of times, but the tokens always turn into something else more powerful before I've ever had a chance to work up the chain.

Value Creature Replacement: Feldon of the Third Path Stuff is going to die. Feldon is perfect for taking advantage of this. I haven't had a chance to test him yet, but I think he has great potential.

Payoff Cuts: Phyrexian Processor, Utvara Hellkite, and Godo, Bandit Warlord I think Phyrexian Processor is too slow and expensive. Karn, Scion of Urza is what we want for this effect. Utvara Hellkite can create some silly boardstates, but I think Sharding Sphinx does it better at two less mana. I'm not 100% on this one, but it's casting cost is really what does it for me. The last cut here I'm not 100% on either. Godo gets cut because it's also expensive and only goes infinite with Helm of the Host, unlike Combat Celebrant and Lightning Runner. I realize Godo always gets Helm, but to cast and equip is still 11 mana in one turn. To have Brudiclad on board, cast Godo, and equip helm is a lot to ask.

Payoff Replacements:Wurmcoil Engine, Timestream Navigator, and Bane of Bala Ged. Wurmcoil is a durable threat with value leftover if it dies. Timestream Navigator can provide us with infinite turns if we get a token copy onboard. Bane of Bala Ged is something that can really clear up a board if you're able to make an army of these. Tidespout Tyrant is something else I've thought about, but we aren't guaranteed to be able to cast a few spells after we have an army of Tyrants.

Miscellaneous Cuts:Mechanized Production and Mox Diamond. Mechanized Production I'm not that sure about. Obviously it has win the game written right on it, but 4 mana to copy a thopter or gold or treasure, which is most likely what we're going to want to copy because of the sheer number we can produce, isn't all that exciting. Mox Diamond comes out because we don't need the super early game ramp and we aren't abusing it with Paradox Engine or something. I'd rather make the land drop that put Mox Diamond on the board. With a 6 drop commander, the land is usually just as good.

Miscellaneous Replacements: Pongify and Rapid Hybridization Cheap ways to deal with opponents creatures, a way to blow up Wurmcoil Engine or Chasm Skulker. These cards someone make up for the loss of Descent of the Dragons too.

These changes bring the average cmc from 3.51 to 3.32.

This leaves me with a handful of cards I'm still considering. Draw Potential Additions: Ponder, Impulse, Intuition, Thirst for Knowledge, and Frantic Search It's important that we find a payoff or a way to make a payoff a token so I think the deck could use some added digging. I think the most powerful of these are Intuition, Thirst, and Frantic Search because it can put some payoffs in the graveyard if you have Feldon online.

Payoff Potential Additions: Inferno Titan, Frost Titan, Hangarback Walker I'm not sure they're necessary, but they could be fun additions. Inferno Titan is the better of the two titans, but I think it's worth talking about them both. I like that the deck is starting to diversify threats. Cutting Godo and Utvara because we have better extra combat and mass token producing payoffs in cheaper creatures. Inferno Titan kind of lines up with Bane in the permanent removal department, but it's damage can go to the face. I'm not sure Frost Titan provides much, but I thought I'd mention it. I guess it could potentially shut a player down for the next turn. I really like Chasm Skulker, and I think Hangarback Walker would make a great addition as a redundant effect.

Lands Potential Cuts: Inventors' Fair and Academy Ruins These are lands I was testing out because artifacts, but really our deck is just a bunch of rocks. The Mimic Vat and Helm of the Host are about the only cards I'd want to activate either of these lands for, but I'm not sure I think the cost is worth it. More testing may be required, but I'm not sure I've been in the situations where I must tutor for a Helm or give up a draw to get helm back.

Land Potential Replacements: Command Beacon, Scavenger Grounds, Strip Mine Right now I don't have an extra Command Beacon or Strip Mine. Command Beacon seems great for a 6 cmc commander. Scavenger Grounds and Strip Mine are just great utility lands, but I'm not missing out on too much without them for now.

On the other hand, Desolate Lighthouse has been great for digging when there's nothing else to do, and Kher Keep is another great token producer at 2 mana a pop.

Driemer84 on Anything You Can Do... : Brudiclad EDH

1 month ago

Daedalus19876: No problem in the delay! So I've gotten a few more games in and I have some major changes to talk about. I'd love to hear some feed back and correction on my thought process. Incoming wall of text.

Control Cuts: Release the Gremlins and Descent of the Dragons.
Release is too expensive and not worth the couple tokens in provides. Descent of the Dragons has really only been used to blow up payoff cards on my side of the board like Chasm Skulker. You really only need one 4/4 dragon with Brudiclad to get the payoff since he'll turn whatever into a 4/4 once he's online, and I'm not really a fan of giving my opponents 4/4s even if it means taking out a couple key threats. This leads me to replacements.

Control Replacement: Vandalblast and Blasphemous Act.
I think artifact destruction is an important option to have so Vandalblast comes in. I just don't think the 2/2s from Release is worth the mana it takes. Creature destruction is also important so Blasphemous Act comes in so we still have some board control.

Token Production Cuts: Saheeli's Artistry, Stolen Identity, and Followed Footsteps.
This part may be controversial, but I think these cards are too expensive. Artistry and Stolen Identity may still be worth it because they create the token immediately, but I had mentioned earlier that relying on opponent's creatures isn't the best game plan. They either aren't something you want to create a bunch of or they are legendary. Followed Footsteps doesn't give you a payoff until your next upkeep. Too much can happen in three other players turns for me to want to spend 5 mana on it.

Note: Supplant Form is sticking around for now because I think the fact that it's instant speed and a form of pseudo removal make it worth while.

Token Production Replacements: Cackling Counterpart, Fated Infatuation, and Twinflame The downside here is that they all only target your creatures, but they are all half the price, and two of them are instant speed. I want to tune the deck to be more self reliant which is why I'm ok with having to target my own creatures. I realize Twinflame's token exiles at the end of the turn, but with Brudiclad online it won't matter.

Value Creature Cut: Reef Worm I've had Reef Worm on board and destroyed a couple of times, but the tokens always turn into something else more powerful before I've ever had a chance to work up the chain.

Value Creature Replacement: Feldon of the Third Path Stuff is going to die. Feldon is perfect for taking advantage of this. I haven't had a chance to test him yet, but I think he has great potential.

Payoff Cuts: Phyrexian Processor, Utvara Hellkite, and Godo, Bandit Warlord I think Phyrexian Processor is too slow and expensive. Karn, Scion of Urza is what we want for this effect. Utvara Hellkite can create some silly boardstates, but I think Sharding Sphinx does it better and two less mana. I'm not 100% on this one, but it's casting cost is really what does it for me. The last cut here I'm not 100% on either. Godo gets cut because it's also expensive and only goes infinite with Helm of the Host, unlike Combat Celebrant and Lightning Runner. I realize Godo always gets Helm, but to cast and equip is still 11 mana in one turn. To have Brudiclad on board, cast Godo, and equip helm is a lot to ask.

Payoff Replacements:Wurmcoil Engine, Timestream Navigator, and Bane of Bala Ged. The first two are obvious. Bane of Bala Ged is something that can really clear up a board if you're able to make an army of these. Tidespout Tyrant is something else I've thought about, but we aren't guaranteed to be able to cast a few spells after we have an army of Tyrants.

Miscellaneous Cuts:Mechanized Production and Mox Diamond Mechanized Production I'm not that sure about. Obviously it has win the game written right on it, but 4 mana to copy a thopter or gold or treasure, which is most likely what we're going to want to copy because of the sheer number we can produce, isn't all that exciting. Mox Diamond comes out because we don't need the super early game ramp and we aren't abusing it with Paradox Engine or something. I'd rather make the land drop that put Mox Diamond on the board. With a 6 drop commander, the land is usually just as good.

Miscellaneous Replacements: Pongify and Rapid Hybridization Cheap ways to deal with opponents creatures, a way to blow up Wurmcoil Engine or Chasm Skulker. These cards someone make up for the loss of Descent of the Dragons too.

These changes bring the average cmc from 3.51 to 3.32.

This leaves me with a handful of cards I'm still considering.
Draw Potential Additions: Ponder, Impulse, Intuition, Thirst for Knowledge, and Frantic Search.
It's important that we find a payoff or a way to make a payoff a token so I think the deck could use some added digging. I think the most powerful of these are Intuition, Thirst, and Frantic Search because it can put some payoffs in the graveyard if you have Feldon online.

Payoff Potential Additions: Inferno Titan, Frost Titan, Hangarback Walker I'm not sure they're necessary, but they could be fun additions. Inferno Titan is the better of the two titans, but I think it's worth talking about them both. I like that the deck is starting to diversify threats. Cutting Godo and Utvara because we have better extra combat and mass token producing payoffs in cheaper creatures. Inferno Titan kind of lines up with Bane in the permanent removal department, but it's damage can go to the face. I'm not sure Frost Titan provides much, but I thought I'd mention it. I guess it could potentially shut a player down for the next turn. I really like Chasm Skulker, and I think Hangarback Walker would make a great addition as a redundant effect.

Lands Potential Cuts: Inventors' Fair and Academy Ruins These are lands I was testing out because artifacts. But really our deck is just a bunch of rocks. The Mimic Vat and Helm of the Host are about the only cards I'd want to activate either of these lands for, but I'm not sure I think the cost is worth it. More testing may be required, but I'm not sure I've been in the situations where I must tutor for a Helm or give up a draw to get helm back.

Land Potential Replacements: Command Beacon, Scavenger Grounds, Strip Mine Right now I don't have an extra Command Beacon or Strip Mine. Command Beacon seems great for a 6 cmc commander and I notice you are already running it. Scavenger Grounds and Strip Mine are just great utility lands, but I'm not missing out on too much without them for now.

On the other hand, Desolate Lighthouse has been great for digging when there's nothing else to do, and Kher Keep is another great token producer at 2 mana a pop.

Thanks for reading if you made it this far!

11hrr on Official missing/incorrect card/token thread

2 months ago

Kobolds of Kher Keep as a token for Kher Keep.

Especially now that a nice new token art has been printed.

In my decks, there's actually 2 Kobolds token options displayed as available in the drop down when play-testing the deck, and they both don't work.

Suns_Champion on Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH

2 months ago

Hello everyone! Thanks for the comments and upvotes! Been away at a summer camp all summer so I have a lot to catch up on!

Roshell glad you could find some inspiration! Not a huge fan of Bonus Round because it could help enemy removal and it's sorcery speed!

Onigma Good thoughts and questions!

The ramp helps. The deck relies a lot on F&S so I want them out ASAP, and all the ramp helps with the recastablility of my commander as well. Then the ramp can help fuel my X-spells when Neheb or T-Ogre aren't around, insuring I don't have a dead X-Spell in my hand.

My deck is built this way intentionally. Mainly because I want to utilize Sunforger to the max. It's risky because the deck isn't as effective as it could be, but man when I equip Sunforger with RW open, I can take over the game.

I like the incremental lifegain because it buys me time to find my big bombs. It stabilizes my life total even after early aggression, allowing me to live into the late game to recast my commander and then play a big X-spell.

Thanks for the thoughts! I liked your deck :)

Eklipse87 All great cards that have been cut to make room for other things. The Paradox Engine + Isochron Scepter combo I'm still trying to figure out if I like and what to cut for it.

FiddlerTheDrum good cards, but too expensive. I'm pretty content with my ramp and draw at the moment.

Rabid_Wombat welcome back! I agree, its a blast haha! Both good cards, hope you've found some luck with them. I want Browbeat but my friends would rather die than to see me get 3 cards haha

Aerugo Thanks for all the ideas!

  • Radiate is a pet card :) and I don't have the scepter in yet...
  • Mind's Eye is just sub par in my opinion. I'm content with the draw I have currently
  • Grand Abolisher is nice but I don't need him for my meta
  • Ghirapur Orrery Is a no. Can't help my opponents like that. And I'm rarely hellbent due to good draw and conservative playing of instant speed removal, fogs, and redirects.
  • Kher Keep is nice I'll consider it!
  • Mana Tithe and Silence just aren't really my style :)

Glad you could find some inspiration! Thank you!

Oh hello thijmnesoy! Yes this deck is very similar to Neheb! I love both but Neheb will always be my baby :)

Debo on Purphoros, Forger of Goblins [[Primer]]

4 months ago

Hope your deck isn't retired! I like it a lot. Throwing some card ideas at you. I would like to pick your brain on why you wouldn't include these... mana cost, theme?

ETB bounce Norin the Wary

Enchantment Warstorm Surge

Land ideas Dwarven Ruins Sandstone Needle Kher Keep

Sorcery Kuldotha Rebirth Tempt with Vengeance

CommanderAdventures on Kalaran Deck 1

5 months ago

Dragon Broodmother kann nicht dein Commander sein, Alternativen fuer ne Lifegain / Token / Devour Strategie waeren:

Empfehle ausserdem Karten die nix mit dem Lifegain / Token / Devour Theme zu tun haben (wie z.B. Flameblast Dragon, Radha, Heir to Keld etc.) zu replacen:

Laender:

thuih on Zada's Not So Epic Storm

6 months ago

Twinflame also goes infinite just fyi. Also Kher Keep has saved me in desperate situations. Sweet list, and thanks for organizing it like this. Might need to add Outpost Siege to my deck.

How have you felt about Rile? I would love another 1 mana draw spell, but am scared of the whole "kill all of my own tokens" aspect.

fifthdawn on Just Horde on Loosely, But Don't Let Go

7 months ago

Also, I should say, I do use sac outlets. I use them in my lands. The purpose is that there is an inherent limit to how many times I get to use that effect in a turn cycle. This allows me to use it when necessary without the temptation to make a nuisance out of it.

I find that strikes the right balance for me personally. This approach really allows a card like Deserted Temple to shine, as it can be either a sacrifice outlet, such as with Phyrexian Tower, or an untap effect as with Minamo, School at Water's Edge, a mana generator as in with Gaea's Cradle, color fixing working like an Unknown Shores by untapping a Command Tower, token generator with Kher Keep or pump effect with Gavony Township.

It is all these things in one and at the same time it doesn't take up a spell slot in my deck.

So in addition to setting limits that are appropriate for my playgroup, the absence of a traditional sac outlet opens up a deeper reserve of spell options that might otherwise miss the cut in the 99 while at the same time adding the flexibility of spells into my mana base.

It makes for a perfect blend, or balance if you will, of the cost for its effect.

Rather than a game state devolving into auto-win mode, it instead rewards the player for proper threat assesment and the timiliness of one's limited interaction, which stands in contrast to the built-in limitlessness of infinite combos. :)

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