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, : Put a 0/1 red Kobold creature token named Kobolds of Kher Keep into play.
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Kher Keep Discussion
1 month ago
Hope your deck isn't retired! I like it a lot. Throwing some card ideas at you. I would like to pick your brain on why you wouldn't include these... mana cost, theme?
ETB bounce Norin the Wary
Enchantment Warstorm Surge
2 months ago
Dragon Broodmother kann nicht dein Commander sein, Alternativen fuer ne Lifegain / Token / Devour Strategie waeren:
- Tana, the Bloodsower
- Ulasht, the Hate Seed
- Thromok the Insatiable (Skaliert exponentiell, mit Trample drauf kann der schnell Spiele beenden)
- Bloodspore Thrinax Must play in dem theme
- Dragonlair Spider
- Fresh Meat (Devourst 20 Tokens und bekommst 20 staerkere Tokens)
- Sylvan Offering
- Hellion Eruption (1/1 -> 4/4)
- Wolfbriar Elemental
- Chancellor of the Forge
- Hooded Hydra
- Release the Gremlins
- Hornet Nest (Denk dran wenn die nen 6 power mob blockt machtse auch 6 Tokens)
- Hornet Queen
- Stalking Vengeance
- Tempt with Vengeance
- Hellkite Hatchling
- Thunder-Thrash Elder
- Beacon of Creation
- Rampaging Baloths
- Sandwurm Convergence
- Parallel Lives kostet zwar bissl mehr aber lohnt sich hier
- Mitotic Slime 7 Bodies fr 5 Mana
- Fires of Yavimaya must play in Gruul
- Cultivate & Kodama's Reach sind Ramp staples in EDH
- Preyseizer Dragon
- Skullmulcher Brauchst bissl mehr Draw
- Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip ist noch nice fuer Ramp
- Khalni Garden, Skarrg, the Rage Pits rein
- Yavimaya Hollow raus (Kostet 30-60 Euro) und lieber Kessig Wolf Run rein
- Contested Cliffs raus (Spielst zuwenig Beasts dazu) und Oran-Rief, the Vastwood rein um alle Tokens zu pumpen
- Mosswort Bridge wuerde gehen aber Kher Keep ist in der Strategie wahrscheinlich besser um excess mana gegen Token zu tauschen
- Fungal Reaches ist crap, bekommst genug Ramp durch Creatures und anderweitig
- Evolving Wilds & Terramorphic Expanse sind must pick in jedem multi-color deck, damit fixt man nicht nur Mana, sondern dnnt auch das Deck aus und erhht die Chance Karten die man braucht zu ziehen.
3 months ago
How have you felt about Rile? I would love another 1 mana draw spell, but am scared of the whole "kill all of my own tokens" aspect.
4 months ago
Also, I should say, I do use sac outlets. I use them in my lands. The purpose is that there is an inherent limit to how many times I get to use that effect in a turn cycle. This allows me to use it when necessary without the temptation to make a nuisance out of it.
I find that strikes the right balance for me personally. This approach really allows a card like Deserted Temple to shine, as it can be either a sacrifice outlet, such as with Phyrexian Tower, or an untap effect as with Minamo, School at Water's Edge, a mana generator as in with Gaea's Cradle, color fixing working like an Unknown Shores by untapping a Command Tower, token generator with Kher Keep or pump effect with Gavony Township.
It is all these things in one and at the same time it doesn't take up a spell slot in my deck.
So in addition to setting limits that are appropriate for my playgroup, the absence of a traditional sac outlet opens up a deeper reserve of spell options that might otherwise miss the cut in the 99 while at the same time adding the flexibility of spells into my mana base.
It makes for a perfect blend, or balance if you will, of the cost for its effect.
Rather than a game state devolving into auto-win mode, it instead rewards the player for proper threat assesment and the timiliness of one's limited interaction, which stands in contrast to the built-in limitlessness of infinite combos. :)
5 months ago
I feel like this deck is not focused enough on the theme of "make tons of tokens." You have a lot of cards that make tokens, but many of them don't really do it efficiently. Some examples:
Awaken the Sky Tyrant - makes only one token, and only if an opponent lets you make it.
Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts - makes tokens only if your opponents let you
Skyline Despot - makes one token per turn if your opponents let you (or if you leave back plenty of defense)
Ghirapur Gearcrafter - makes one token
Descent of the Dragons - this is secretly a one-shot anthem that doesn't let you attack the turn you cast it
Dragonmaster Outcast - makes one token per turn on turn 6+ if your opponents can't kill a 1/1
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs - makes tokens if your opponents let you
Custodi Soulbinders - makes tokens for 3 mana each if there are a decent number of creatures out when you cast it
You get the idea.
Personally I'd try to run five or six anthem effects and hit the token makers really hard. I counted thirteen anthem effects in this version of the deck. Also, one anthem effect comes to mind that you aren't running - Jazal Goldmane. That card should play better than either Mikaeus or Ravos (both of which I'd cut).
Efficient token makers you could run: White Sun's Zenith, Bitterblossom (harder to kill than Outcast), Secure the Wastes, Goblin Trenches, Storm Herd, Sacred Mesa, Requiem Angel, Elenda, the Dusk Rose, Thopter Assembly (if you don't run other Thopter makers), Hanweir Garrison, Rise of the Hobgoblins, Twilight Drover. I think Legion's Landing could potentially work in here too - it's inefficient from a mana perspective but it's a one-drop that shouldn't be too hard to flip and at that point it taps for mana. Which brings me to
Lands: There's quite a few lands that I think could play well here. Kjeldoran Outpost, Kher Keep, Vault of the Archangel, Hanweir Battlements (if you run the Garrison), or Windbrisk Heights. Creature lands are also secretly good here because they benefit from your anthems and let you mount an offense even when untapping on an empty board after a sweeper. Ghitu Encampment, Needle Spires, Lavaclaw Reaches, Shambling Vent, Mishra's Factory and so on.
Haste: If you're going to make a ton of tokens, you really want to bash with them right away, before your opponents can sweep your board. I like Hammer of Purphoros here because it makes tokens and Ogre Battledriver because it doubles as a pseudo-Anthem, but there's also Fervor, Anger, Akroma's Memorial and probably other cards I haven't thought of.
I definitely think there's potential for this deck concept. Just remember that Dragon tokens and anthems don't go in the same deck (except Crucible of Fire). Good luck!
5 months ago
Looks like a sweet token deck! I see you've got your token doublers in already; good deal. Want some more suggestions?
Cryptolith Rite seems like a slam dunk in here. It should make you a ton of mana.
6 months ago
Well this is interesting!
Consider running more value lands for your Ulvenwald Hydra, like Geier Reach Sanitarium, Strip Mine, Arcane Lighthouse, Kor Haven, Treetop Village, Forbidding Watchtower, Raging Ravine, Stirring Wildwood, Needle Spires, Haunted Fengraf, Kessig Wolf Run, Kher Keep, Vitu-Ghazi, the City-Tree, Kjeldoran Outpost, Mishra's Factory, some snow basics and Mouth of Ronom, Nantuko Monastery, Slayers' Stronghold, Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion, and Throne of the High City...yes I did look at all the options. The manlands and token makers are probably the best.