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At the beginning of your draw step, you may draw two additional cards. If you do, choose two cards in your hand drawn this turn. For each of those cards, pay 4 life or put the card on top of your library.
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Sylvan Library Discussion
2 days ago
I purchased a collection that included a foil Japanese Sylvan Library , I've scoured the web but can't find an accurate value. In fact I only stumbled across a single listing for the card with a price tag of 199.00 which seems way out there. I spoke with my lgs owner who told me the only way to get an accurate value would be to speak with someone who deals specifically with foreign cards (I live in the continental United States). So now I turn to you the people, players, collectors and salers of Tappedout in an attempt to get a general value for the card... Help please...
3 days ago
Frank_Glascock I think Control_Train has a very very nice framework for us to build on. I like the whole toolbox aspect of the deck and always trying to find a solution to what we encounter.
Destructor Dragon I've cut today as well and put Massacre Wurm in a 6 for a 6 drop. Sounds about right. If I need an effect like the Dragon I'll probably go for Woodfall Primus because it destroys something on entering the battlefield.
The Silhana Wayfinder I've cut 2 weeks ago, super mediocre. And I run the same creatures as you do: Sheoldred, Kokusho and Mindslicer. All very very good creatures in my opinion.
Sylvan Wayfinder I ran from the start, protecting meren at the cost of one land is super fine in my opinion :)
The list of instants and sorceries and enchantments what you swapped I kinda understand. Even tho I do see the value of Casualties of War and Mausoleum Secrets but If I had a imperial seal I would probably run it over Mausoleum as well :)
I agree with you with dismember being the weakest spotremoval, that's why I've cut it as well. I might try out the Sylvan Library again as well. I got it in my binder.
Sol Ring I havent really missed and Lightning Greaves I havent seen yet since I've added it too the deck. I think it will do it's work like it normally does.
I understand the prowling serpopard :) I have the same, more and more people are playing control in our meta, so I might add him too the deck again. Or maybe even better, add a Cavern of Souls just so meren can't be countered. This way I dont have to use another spot in my deck. And meren can get everything that's being countered back from the grave I guess...
3 days ago
Ripwater, thanks for the reply. I always look forward with much anticipation to your input.
Everytime I try to move away from Control_Train's list I end up putting back in his card's that I cut.
Silhana Wayfinder is subpar. We have discussed my view that Destructor Dragon is overcosted. I agree with your theory that Massacre Girl would threaten Meren so I am hesitant to play her. I like having Kukusho and Sheoldred to help close out games. Am I wrong that Control_Train's list lacks any closers?
He has played Mindslicer in the past. The theory behind this card's inclusion is solid. We should be able to play top deck much better than our opponents by utilizing the graveyard. It is a nice inclusion for our Birthing Pod chain. How has it performed for you?
Is Sylvan Safekeeper a recent addition? I thought for sure you were not playing this card as of last week.
Pattern of Rebirth , Dismember , Mausoleum Secrets , Casualties of War , and Final Parting were replaced by Birthing Pod , Sylvan Library , Survival of the Fittest a Imperial Seal and Guardian Project in my list.
I only have reservations concerning Casulties of War. The three tutors (or tutor engines) I am playing have proven to be superior to his across all formats. Sylvan Library is a green staple, and is an extremely strong early turn play. You made a convincing argument in defense of Guardian Project. Dismember seems like the weakest of the removal spells.
I cut Sol Ring but it was like pulling teeth and may make way back into the deck. I tutor for Sylvan Safekeeper frequently and the deck tutors creatures easier than artifacts. Still, Lightning Greaves should be in my list. Safekeeper is the superior card in my opinion but this deck has to have Meren on board. Has Lightning Greaves been effective for you?
As a side note, it does not seem Control_Train reinserts cards he cuts. I wish I could say the same. I put Prowling Serpopard back into the deck. Chalk it up to an irrational fear of blue countermagic. No attempts at justification will be made for its inclusion.
1 week ago
Thank you for the feedback! I am planning on eventually upping the number of tutors in the deck and adding another R: Retrieve! in that future version Diabolic Intent will definitely be added to the list. I like the sound of all of your suggestions, and will probably try all of them except Sylvan Library just because of price. Thanks again for commenting!
1 week ago
I don't have much in the way of constructive comments, I just wanted to say I really like this deck, and you did a fantastic write up. Glissa was always a deck I thought would be fun to play, but I never had the cards to really make it work (too much competition w/ my windgrace and daretti decks) anyway this is a really inspiring list and i like the theme.
I'm just gonna leave a few card suggestions that I didn't see in your list that are worthy of consideration, if you haven't already.
Harrow maybe has some interesting interaction w/ artifact lands? Diabolic Intent has been pretty useful to get stuff in the bin. Stitch Together is a pretty solid reanimation card, Recollect and Regenesis seem like they might be better than reclaim. I understand that the 1 cmc is powerful, and instant speed is always good, however, I personally don't like putting stuff on my top of my library (i know that in Glissa that doesn't make much of a difference), so in case you ever feel like maybe yo wanna change I strongly recommend those two. Regenesis is especially fun. :)
Good deck, thanks for sharing. +1'ed
1 week ago
Control_Train, this is a nice list. I appreciate the time you have invested in this and your willingness to answer questions.
1 week ago
About that - main problem here is that you want to have too much high CMC cards that make 'cool things' but it's better to settle for less and actually get there. Playing Dragon tribe already fills your high end of the curve so we need to focus on lower CMC interaction/ramp/draw to get to cast as many of the mentioned creatures as possible.
That's why Crucible of Fire and Sight of the Scalelords are bad but you seem to discover another way to win besides fight with big beaters - it's reanimator strategy. So I'd rather get 4/4 or 5/5 Dragon with Animate Dead for AND do something else than cast one of those enchantments and pass, hoping that it survives on board. I personally use reanimation with Dragon Tempest as a secondary strategy to kill as many people as possible with damage from dragons coming back and then smash the rest with them, since they get haste.
Abrupt Decay has that advantage of hitting NONLAND permaments... so creatures, enchantments, artifacts, planeswalkers all go down. While Vraska's Contempt is overpriced Path to Exile in black since planeswalkers can be overrun with Dragons and 2 life gain is negligible. It's not about hitting someone's Craterhoof Behemoth or in your case Hellkite Overlord it's about dealing with Sylvan Library / Phyrexian Arena , Chromatic Lantern or Yisan, the Wanderer Bard that get them there. And that's the lesson that I learned few months back and made drastic changes to my deck - Bow before Draconic King!!! | *WAR* Update. It's still a Dragon deck but has everything that early game requires so I can still compete with better tuned decks of others.
That's why for changes I'd propose:
- Kilnmouth Dragon -> Night's Whisper - instead of giving someone information what you have for 7 mana you get 2 cards for 2 that noone sees besides you
- Skarrgan Hellkite -> Selvala, Heart of the Wilds or Lotus Cobra - 5 mana for 4/4 flyer that can be 5/5 with overpriced activated ability is bad... you'll be better off with one of these dorks for 2-3 CMC.
- Crucible of Fire -> Nature's Claim - lowers the avg. CMC, let's you be more reactive and holding on for interaction on opponents turn is easy to do.
- Spit Flame -> Sarkhan's Triumph - overpriced damage restricted to creatures might be good in Standard but not EDH. Try out tutor instead and thank me later :D
- The Immortal Sun -> Gruul Signet / Rakdos Signet - I know it's an epic card and all but... it's cost is huge, you might actually cast 6 CMC Dragon instead of this and to actually get there you can run early ramp so 1-2 turns earlier flying behemoth will be way more dangerous.
- Hellkite Overlord / Darigaaz Reincarnated -> Worldly Tutor - with tutor in deck you need actually 1 of these two if you still want to have a huge Dragon. Also this is great way to get utility dragons like Glorybringer or Dragonlord Kolaghan when you need them most.
- Temple of the False God -> Rocky Tar Pit / Mountain Valley / Evolving Wilds - this land is bad... if you have 1 land and this, then you still only have 1 land since it won't activate early. Ancient Tomb is great because it can work turn 1 for some rocks but this... requires board full of lands and one Armageddon makes it useless again.
If you want to know more about getting better at EDH I'd recommend checking out CMDR Central and EDHRec podcasts on youtube - https://articles.edhrec.com/commander-central-ep75-settling-for-less/. Also EDHRec page has great articles posted daily, one of them is about Evolving Wilds: https://articles.edhrec.com/in-the-margins-evolving-wilds-terramorphic-expanse/
1 week ago
Also I've completely forgot about Sylvan Library - it works wonders every turn and 4 life for a card when you really need it is worth it (just don't overuse this effect and you'll be fine).
Sylvan Library occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.79%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.15%
G/U (Simic): 0.83%
GW (Selesnya): 1.28%
RG (Gruul): 1.26%
BRG (Jund): 1.0%
GWU (Bant): 0.8%
BUG (Sultai): 0.84%