Creature — Human Rogue
If an opponent would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in each of his or her draw steps, instead that player skips that draw and you draw a card.
|Want (4)||IAmVytheros , BSwCDo , Cannon119 , Deliwashere|
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|Masters 25 (A25)||None|
|Dragon's Maze (DGM)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Notion Thief occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.04%
UB (Dimir): 1.45%
UBR (Grixis): 0.81%
Notion Thief Discussion
2 hours ago
Hey, you're welcome :)
Good eye, Naru + Flicker + Phenax + Elixir to tap Naru to mill before it's blinked with Flicker, nice work. You're right, Altar of the Brood combos with Naru + Flicker and it's also a good card outside of the combo since it's repeatable. In fact Altar could replace Apprentice or another creature that has an ETB mill ability because outside of the combo these creatures are less good then what Altar does.
A reason to add more mana rocks is because the avg. CMC is high, rounded up it's 3.7 and there's a lot of four drops. When you have a lot of four drops then being able to play turn two ramp is very helpful. Phenax + Eater + Elixir is your main combo and it's a mana expensive combo. If adding Naru + Flicker combos then having more ramp makes them better too because the combo costs seven mana. Dark Ritual is a card to consider adding.
Cards to consider cutting to add Naru, Flicker, Altar, Zenith and Zone:
- Submerged Boneyard
- Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker
- Keening Stone
- Into the Story
- Dauthi Embrace
I think you can push your deck a lot further even with the low budget. Ideally if you're playing combos you want tutors especially since you're playing black, but I understand not including them because of the lower budget. Scheming Symmetry and Diabolic Tutor are both worth adding. Mana efficient draw spells or repeatable draw sources can't completely replace tutors, but they can sure help.
- Mystic Remora
- Whispering Madness
- Read the Bones
- Drift of Phantasms
- Muddle the Mixture
These cards can be excellent support because they help to draw into or find the better cards in your deck. Wheels are good with Notion Thief and Psychic Corrosion. Madness can be repeatable with cipher. Drift can transmute to get one of Elixir, Flicker, Freed or Alarm. Muddle can transmute to get one of Guildmage, Greaves, Mindcrank, Orb or Rift. If not transmuting then both Drift and Muddle are fine since Drift has 5 toughness/flying and Muddle is a pseudo Negate.
With the lower budget draw spells and mana rocks are your best early game plays. These can help to setup combos, make land drops and have ramp for mid and late game, the stages of the game when your deck performs the best. Consider streamlining the creature base? Keep the creatures that are part of combos and cut a lot of the others?
Streamlined creature base example:
Bonehoard is the best card of the cards that are creatures who have power/toughness equal to all creatures in all graveyards. Because of it's ability to equip to another creature then in my opinion you don't need to also play Wright, Mortivore, Nighthowler. Hightower (flying, huge power/toughness) and Abrerration (mill, huge power/toughness) are the better high CMC creatures who are not part of combos because they can become huge and do something without having to attack.
1 week ago
Looks really good!
Few suggestions I can see
Just a few thoughts to help the flow a bit.
but over all looks good! +1
1 week ago
Here is my opinion you asked for.
You may add: Faerie Seer, Augury Owl, Sage Owl, Spark Double, Spire Owl, Insidious Dreams, Price of Fame or Snuff Out, Submerge, Scheming Symmetry, Bolas's Citadel, Cover of Darkness, Unnatural Selection, Mana Severance
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Mirko Vosk isn’t all that great unless he can connect with the opponent. You’ll do more mill with your walls than you will with him. Replace him with Avatar of Woe
Sire of Stagnation isn’t really on theme here, and is expensive. You’re better off with Lord of the Void or Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger if you’re looking for an impactful creature, but I’d probably choose Geth, Lord of the Vault or Oona, Queen of the Fae since they’re more on flavor and are good mana sinks if needed.
You have very little spot removal, Hero's Downfall , Doomblade etc, so be careful there. Also, Black has access to Plague Wind In Garruk's Wake and even Mutilate , and you definitely should be running Cyclonic Rift over Aether Gale . Board wipes are important, and you’ll have the largest toughness to survive those “all creatures get -x/-x” effects, so make use of them - Toxic Deluge would probably be the absolute best.
Don’t forget about Laboratory Maniac , because you can mill yourself.
All those cards that mill opponents when you draw a card are taking away from other cards you need unless you’re drawing a ton of cards in a turn. Notion Thief and Teferi's Puzzle Box is the absolute best combo for dimir (imho) and pairs well with those cards, but a lack of Howling Mine like effects makes these cards less relevant to the mill from your walls. Memory Erosion will just do you more work.
Tutoring is important if you’re running combo, so don’t forget Diabolic Tutor or other expensive ones if you feel like buying them.
Biggest thing is just remember you’re trying to mill a billion at a time, not little bits here and there. If a card isn’t milling a ton, replace it with something else that’s more impactful. Combo pieces are nice, but without tutoring they’re unreliable.
1 month ago
I had a Phenax deck and it was super fun to play. Mine was a bit more turtle-y than yours, so I ran a suite of walls like Glacial Wall , Wall of Junk , and Guardians of Meletis . Equip those bad boys with Slagwurm Armor and you got yourself a milling machine and defense. There’s a ton of blue and colorless walls out there with ridiculous toughness that pair well with Phenax and give you pretty awesome blockers that let you just mill someone for 20+ at their end step if they dare attack you.
You also open up protection such as Crawlspace , Propaganda , Collective Restraint , and Koskun Falls . If you go that route. Phenax wants your creatures to tap to mill, which is why I liked walls, but swarm decks prove to be a problem, which is why I like these cards in my deck.
Otherwise, good combos in a deck like this that I enjoy was Notion Thief + Teferi's Puzzle Box so that opponents can never have cards, And Bloodchief Ascension since you’re running Mindcrank for infinite mill and damage. And Fraying Sanity could mean instant death to one person.
I really like the interaction Necrotic Ooze has with mill decks, and same with Grimoire of the Dead . Psychic Strike is a good milling counterspell with the added benefit of not needing double blue to cast.
1 month ago
Thanks! I have thought about Spellseeker but it doesn't make the cut for me. I'd be looking at Grim Tutor first and that still doesn't quite make it into my 100 mostly due to the CMC. The thing is, we are ideally attempting a win after a big haymaker play that accrues us heaps of value. Something like sticking an Ad Nauseam , or Notion Thief + a wheel. In longer games this might look more like riding a Mystic Remora for a few turn cycles. This is not always how it goes of course but it's the plan, it's how we'd prefer to piece the combo together rather than assemble the pieces individually by tutoring. Spellseeker can't get Naus, Necro, Dockside, Wheels, Notion Thief, etc.
1 month ago
Pay 2, tap scepter and play dramatic reversal, float 1 mana
Untap mana rocks and scepter, repeat
Backup Wincons with Infinite Mana
Blue Sun's Zenith + Infinite Mana = Mill Opponent
Reality Shift + Infinite Mana = Mill Opponent
Notion Thief + any wheel = angry opponents and you draw a lot
Narset, Parter of Veils + any wheel = another notion thief type combo, slightly worse as they still will draw 1 card
Waste Not + any wheel = super card advantage, mana, and dudes