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Grafdigger's Cage Discussion
2 weeks ago
Peoni Thank you for the suggestions.
What are your opinions on Niv-Mizzet, Parun vs Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind or both?
With Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and Thassa's Oracle is it realistic to try and win this way? I guess 100 cards seems like a lot to me compared to 60?
For Kederekt Parasite My only red permanents are Kess, Dissident Mage and Nekusar, the Mindrazer and Magus of the Wheel but I'm not sure if that really counts.
For 2 cmc rocks am I better off playing those rocks during turns 2 and 3 or playing other cards since most of my non-land cards are 2-3 CMC. Or if I should put bigger mana rocks in like Gilded Lotus to help my mana base later.
My thought with the transmute cards was that a lot of my cards are in the 2 or 3 CMC range. I can definitely see removing Dizzy Spell and Brainspoil since I also have other ways to tutor.
My thought with Diabolic Edict was that it gave me an extra option for sticking on Isochron Scepter. Maybe there are some better Isochron Scepter options here?
With Cowardice I was thinking that it could help protect my creatures and keep the cost of recasting Nekusar, the Mindrazer under control. Also with Minamo, School at Water's Edge, Shizo, Death's Storehouse, and Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep I can bounce opponent commanders. Also it would prevent opponents from using Lightning Greaves / Swiftfoot Boots or creature decks pumping up their creatures.
With the bounce sub theme my thought was that it put more cards in hands to be discarded and to hit with wheel effects and the it can also handle indestructible permanents (I'm not too sure how important that is in EDH) also with Warped Devotion it adds some extra discard.
I am definitely leaning into playing less creatures so that I can play board wipes more freely.
Thank you for the suggestions.
I hadn't thought about how the Day's Undoing end of turn effect prevents all the triggers.
For The Rack would you also recommend removing Quest for the Nihil Stone since it also operates on opponents having no/low cars in their hand? Although it hits all opponents and does more damage.
With Consecrated Sphinx and The Locust God it would be the highest CMC card in the deck except for Curse of Fool's Wisdom. Although I still don't have a good feel for EDH so I'm not too sure if 6 CMC would be too high?
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Winds of Change
2 weeks ago
Your list is pretty good so far. Here are a few cards you may or may not like to include:
Burning Inquiry, Dramatic Reversal (infinite mana with Isochron and a few rocks), Dark Deal, Fascination, Grafdigger's Cage, Incendiary Command, Jace, Wielder of Mysteries, Kederekt Parasite, Lim-Dul's Vault, Niv-Mizzet, Parun (combos with Curiosity and similar effects), Notion Thief, Psychosis Crawler, Relic of Progenitus, Thassa's Oracle, and Winds of Change.
For your rocks I'd recommend adding probably 4-5 more, but I'd say you've done good in sticking to the 2 cmc ones. More signets, more talismans, maybe a Fellwar Stone or Mind Stone are all definitely good options.
I want to ask what a lot of the transmute cards are in your deck for? What are you trying to fetch at 1 cmc with Dizzy Spell or 5 cmc with Brainspoil? Muddle is generally pretty good for fetching combo pieces like Isochron Scepter, but at lot of the others are kind of head scratchers to me. I'd also advise you to evaluate why you chose the cards you did, how impactful they would be in the format, and how they synergize with the rest of your deck. For example, in a multiplayer format with 3 opponents and usually plenty of creatures, how often is Diabolic Edict going to be something you're happy about drawing? Similarly, I know you have a bounce subtheme going on, but is Cowardice really something you want to be running in a deck that focuses on keeping creatures like your commander or Fate Unraveler out on the field? Wouldn't you rather counter those threats than have a mere targeting throw a wrench in your plans? Also on the topic of bounce, would you rather be running a bounce sumbtheme or be using your blue for counters and your black for straight up removal? Maybe you wouldn't, maybe you would, I just think it's worth asking the questions you know?
Nekusar and wheels are always fun to see in action. I hope you enjoy EDH and I hope I was able to help! :^)
2 weeks ago
thanks Peoni for the input. I have to say that i like these reccomendations. Wheel of Fate is something I have to pick up. I'm going to say no to the ping effects or Teferi's Puzzle Box since they don't contribute to milling. You bring up a great point about rip and cage. I know I have a Grafdigger's Cage but I might be using it in another deck for now. I'll see if I can find any similar effects like those to help out, I should at least have a Tormod's Crypt lying around somewhere. I forgot about Kami!! I'll definetly look into Howling Mine too.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Some cards that you might like: Brallin, Skyshark Rider Flip, Shabraz, the Skyshark, Rielle, the Everwise, The Locust God, Psychosis Crawler, Burning Inquiry, Molten Psyche, Narset, Parter of Veils, Alms Collector, a Niv-Mizzet of your choice perhaps, Fevered Visions, Magus of the Jar, Wheel of Fate, Teferi's Puzzle Box, Winds of Change and I'll stop myself there lol.
Something you could do that might be cool would be to run a lot of cards like Dictate of Kruphix, Kami of the Crescent Moon, and Howling Mine to boost everybody's draw (might make them consider not killing you lol). That would rip the rug out from under everybody and make your wheels that much more impactful. Make them discard 12 cards instead of 6 or 7! Plus you're getting them closer to drawing on an empty deck.
As far as card draw goes, my favorites are targeted X spells like Blue Sun's Zenith and Stroke of Genius as they could always be upgraded to kill tools with an infinite source of mana i.e. Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter and I just like them a lot. If you decided to pursue group draw you could also experiment with stuff like Prosperity, Minds Aglow, and Fascination (you said you like options right?). Along with this I would add to your ability to win off of self mill with Thassa's Oracle and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries so that Lab Man has some friends.
I know you're running some recursion yourself but this deck has the potential to seriously fuel opposing decks with heavy graveyard interaction as their motif, for obvious reasons lol. Since you have have access to white you could always try Rest in Peace for the complete shutdown, and then maybe a Grafdigger's Cage just as another piece of graveyard hate. Alternatively, you might prefer cards with one time effects like Relic of Progenitus and Scavenger Grounds.. or you could mix and match! Up to you.
FINALLY, (yes I know, we're finally at the end) I would honestly just replace many of the dual lands you have that come in tapped with basics. I just personally don't enjoy having my lands come in tapped while everyone else gets ahead, and I really feel like basics are actually better than tapped lands even if they don't have the versatility or effects. Of course shocks and duals and fetches would always be nice, but we're trying to stay in budget so I'd just stick to the basics.
I know it's long but I just really enjoy researching cards and learning about different strats so I usually get carried away. I tried to stick with recommendations that stay under $10 but a few over the limit might've slipped through. I like your deck, hope this helped! :^)
3 weeks ago
Hey this is great. I have some mediocre advice for you. I play mono red and mono black vampires. ill post those decks. Red prison is very frustrating to lose against so I have done some research. I suggest taking a peak at ponza also. here is an analysis http://mtgmage.com/ponza. consider Magus of the Moon and Karn, the Great Creator. https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2793011#paper here is a good example of what to do with the sideboard if you put karn in. otherwise take a look at my red deck for some sideboard ideas. Since this is a control deck I think you should use Relic of Progenitus instead of Tormod's Crypt or Grafdigger's Cage.
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1 month ago
MurderForBrunch I think Grafdigger's Cage effects are your go-to hate cards since they buy you more time than Soul-Guide Lantern. Also stops Cabal Therapy decks. I would at least run a single Meditate in the wishboard. It's definitely not a 4 of as it never helps you in the setup turns.