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: Gain or . Underground River deals 1 damage to you.
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Underground River Discussion
2 weeks ago
Thanks for the comment, GrinningGrebe!
I knew about this interaction, but there's a low chance to actually be forced to bounce Talisman of Dominance and Underground River back to my hand, since I can always circumvent the problem by tapping them for colourless. As a two colours deck, I have a small chance to be actually colour screwed, so I can "afford" losing colour from those two aforementioned cards.
Regarding ETB creatures, it's true, I am kind of helping my opponents. Anyways, in my playgroup, when I have Dissipation Field on the board, I rarely get attacked, unless the attack itself it's lethal. So I guess I'm being lucky?
Propaganda on the other hand, whilst being a stronger card, gave me the opposing result, often getting me killed faster. Anyways, it is a good substitute for the Field, so I'd recommend swapping it around if you can (and your playgroup doesn't kill if you play it).
2 weeks ago
I don't know if you figured it out yet, but Dissipation Field has a bad interaction with sources you own dealing damage to you, namely Underground River and Talisman of Dominance . Its trigger is symmetrical, bouncing them to your hand.
In addition to this point, in my experience ETB creatures are the core of EDH gameplay and, more often than not, giving another trigger to them is not the optimal play. Is your experience so much different ? I see you swapped out Propaganda too.
1 month ago
Sunken Hollow and Choked Estuary shouldn't be too expensive and both should have a pretty good chance of coming into play untapped as you have a good number of basics. Underground River also isn't too $$ as long as you can get your hands on a more recent printing of it.
1 month ago
Wow, lots of good card here. It's not every day I see a Candelabra of Tawnos :)
I don't think you're taking enough advantage of having a sac outlet in the Command Zone. Grimgrin's no mana cost sac is his strongest ability.
- Undead Augur > Walking Corpse
- Midnight Reaper > Graveshifter
- Diregraf Captain > Gravedigger
- Plague Belcher > Ingenious Infiltrator
- Relentless Dead > Tattered Mummy
These Zombies give you value when another Zombie dies, when one is saced by Grimgrin.
Some other upgrades to consider:
- Brainstorm > Divination
- Ponder > Scour All Possibilities
- Phyrexian Altar > Ashnod's Altar
- Necropotence > Gruesome Fate
- Diabolic Intent > Grave Betrayal
- Buried Alive > Witchbane Orb
- Reanimate > Return from Extinction
- Animate Dead > Finale of Eternity
- Cyclonic Rift > Kindred Dominance
- Counterspell > Exclude
- Sidisi, Undead Vizier > Risen Executioner
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel > Necromaster Dragon
- Apprentice Necromancer > Graveshifter
- Carrion Feeder > Stronghold Assassin
Black is too important of the color to have in the early game because the majority of Zombies are black not blue. 10x Island is a lot I suggest cutting lots of Islands and replacing them with other playable Dimir dual lands.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Scour All Possibilities
- Gruesome Fate
- Return from Extinction
- Walking Corpse
- Tattered Mummy
- Ingenious Infiltrator
- Stronghold Assassin
- Necromaster Dragon
- Argentum Armor
- Door of Destinies
- Grave Betrayal
- Finale of Eternity
- Kindred Dominance
- Ashnod's Altar
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
SideBae I agree with you regarding the signets. With land, everything is quite simple:
2 months ago
Hey, nice version of Yarok.
My card suggestions for you to consider can help to improve the manabase. With a $700+ budget and having Underground Sea there's many even budget lands to consider adding.
- Exotic Orchard
- Breeding Pool
- Opulent Palace
- Yavimaya Coast
- Woodland Cemetery
- Waterlogged Grove
- Nurturing Peatland
- Underground River
- Ash Barrens
- Drowned Catacomb
- Hinterland Harbor
Lands to consider cutting:
- Temple of the False God
- Dismal Backwater
- Khalni Garden
- Skyline Cascade
- Golgari Rot Farm
- Memorial to Unity
- Memorial to Genius
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Barren Moor
- Temple of Malady
- Temple of Mystery
These are 10 lands that ETB tapped and even though some of these lands trigger Yarok it's not worth it. There's so many better land options that can ETB untapped.
2 months ago
Narset, Parter of Veils is a great way to limit your competitive opponents. Especially if you pair her with a well-timed Windfall . Ashiok, Dream Render happens to be another way to punish people for playing tutor-tribal kinds of strategies.
Another hallmark of competitive decks is their ramp, especially zero and two-mana. In your description, you say you want to stay budget -- unfortunately, that rules out about all of the good zero mana ramp. ( Mox Tantalite is bad, and Mox Amber is hardly better most of the time.) So I suggest increasing your two-mana ramp, and maybe including Ancient Tomb if at all possible to speed up their presence on the board. Some to consider: Talisman of Progress , Talisman of Hierarchy , Talisman of Dominance , Coldsteel Heart , Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone , Everflowing Chalice , Prismatic Lens , etc. None of these should be more than a few bucks.
Concerning your lands: I think you're running too many, especially if you add some of the ramp mentioned in (3). I'd cut four-ish, maybe five. Generally, once you have a few (3 - 4) lands, you'd rather have a rock and a land in hand than just two lands, since you can cast the rock without using your land-drop. I'm not sure HOW budget you want to keep this deck, but Mana Confluence and City of Brass are each around $10, and they're great in any three or more color deck. Pain lands ( Caves of Koilos , Adarkar Wastes and Underground River ) are better than your tapped lands like Sejiri Refuge , as far as I can tell.
I think a reanimation package is probably better than running Show and Tell . Show and Tell is symmetrical, and is often actively dangerous to resolve in EDH, when everyone is trying to do busted stuff. I'm much more a fan of Buried Alive and Entomb to get your fatties in the bin, and then using Animate Dead , Dance of the Dead , Reanimate and/or Necromancy (which is $$$ for some reason) to get them back.
Tutors like your Demonic Tutor are good, but like zero mana rocks they tend to be pricy (see Vampiric Tutor and Enlightened Tutor ). One I do suggest is Lim-Dul's Vault , which is only a couple dollars these days. It also happens to be instant speed, which is kinda dumb-powerful, if you ask me.
Cumulative upkeep was designed to make powerful effects transient; however, Aminatou, the Fateshifter sorta changes that equation with her -1. Consider cards like Mystic Remora , which you can blink to keep around relatively indefinitely. Similar cards to consider are: Musician , Phyrexian Etchings , Tidal Control and Infernal Darkness (if you're particularly mean).
Divining Witch is interesting -- I'd actually never seen that card before. If you're trying to exile your deck and win with your Jace, Wielder of Mysteries , I think Demonic Consultation is probably a better way... though you might want to keep both. Another method (that I think is worse) is to use the card Doomsday , which is only a few dollars. The problem is that if you run Doomsday , you'd likely want to run a Doomsday -package, so you could win by just casting it and drawing into your top card... For that, I'd suggest talking to someone smarter than me, as I've never been able to get the hang of what the hell is going on with that strategy. All I know is that the package usually has something like Gitaxian Probe and Lotus Petal and ends with me being dead.
You may have good luck with card draw spells. Repeatable effects, like Phyrexian Arena and/or Dark Confidant , tend to be expensive; luckily, the spell versions are often decidedly less so. I suggest running a few or more of the following: Painful Truths , Night's Whisper , Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time (running both can be tough since delve can get in its own way), Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Concentrate , Chemister's Insight , Oona's Grace (questionable, due to the high mana requirement), Ancient Excavation (good with the reanimation mentioned in (5)), Archmage's Charm , Chart a Course , Syphon Mind , Deep Analysis and/or Words of Wisdom -- pay extra attention to the instants you can cast on an opponents end step. Another way to do this is simply to steal your opponents' card draw with Notion Thief or Plagiarize .
Lastly, I know its around $11 these days, but I think Counterbalance would be dumb in this deck. Using your general's +1 will let you stack whatever you want on top, which can be especially devastating if you can keep an opponent's general off the board that way.
Good luck man! Love this deck.
2 months ago
I'm sorry to be the bad guy, but this deck is far too slow to be competitive. It may be in your local meta, but it will be eaten alive in a tournament.
An average cmc >3 is bad. The closer to 2 the better.
Many of your lands enter tapped, which is a waste of space and significantly hurts your speed.
City of Brass
Cavern of Souls
I would run 6 or 7 counters. 3 of your 4 are unfavorable. Drop everything but counterspell. Check out:
Flusterstorm instead of dispel.
Delay over spell crumble (if you're playing a true competitive deck, they'll just tutor the card back up))
Disallow is the only 3 drop work running.
Swan Song is also better than dispel.
Pact of negation is okay at best. 5 cost isn't worth it it stifles your next turn.
I can tell you like desertion given your artifact selection. There is only one word to describe that card. BAD. Take it out.
That's all I have for you. It's a decent deck. I like the build outside of the artifacts, counters, and lands. Change them up and you'll be amazed how much better this deck will become. It'll be significant.
Underground River occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.07%
UB (Dimir): 1.98%
UBR (Grixis): 0.82%
WUB (Esper): 0.67%
BUG (Sultai): 0.68%