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Underground River Discussion
2 weeks ago
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2 weeks ago
You cannot. Colour identity is based on all the mana symbols that appear on a card (barring symbols in reminder text), and applies to lands. As such, Dromar's Cavern contains and Crosis's Catacombs contains , and neither can be used in a Dimir commander deck.
I don't think you need these lands. In two colours, you can generally get by mostly using basics--you want to minimize the number of lands you're playing that enter tapped. Between some butdget fetch lands lands (Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse), and ultra-budget dual lands (Dismal Backwater, Jwar Isle Refuge), etc., you can usually build a pretty solid mana base.
I'd recomend spending a little more and investing in cards that can be immediately playable, such as Darkwater Catacombs, Drowned Catacomb, River of Tears, Sunken Hollow, Tainted Isle, and Underground River.
1 month ago
Hey, I saw your forum topic, nice deck description :)
I suggest you focus on upgrading the manabase before you make any other changes to the deck. If you want more efficiency in game play then you need a more efficient manabase. The manabase is really bad, other than a few lands, but when you're at the point in deck building when you're adding Guildgates and lands like Submerged Boneyard then stop, take a step back and ponder/research card choices for lands improvements more than anything else. Try to reduce the amount of lands that ETB tapped because with Zombies you don't want to get bogged down from playing your early game Zombies because of these lands.
- Tainted Isle
- Tainted Field
- Isolated Chapel
- Drowned Catacomb
- Sunken Hollow
- Underground River
- Caves of Koilos
- Darkwater Catacombs
- Concealed Courtyard
The Tainted lands, the Check lands and Sunken have interaction with basic lands (Swamps) making them good additions to the manabase because Swamps should make up the majority of the manabase.
Varina is a four drop who requires in her casting cost the two splash colors of the manabase because of this consider adding some two drop mana rocks to possibly help to cast her in the early game? Adding two Signets (Dimir Signet, Orzhov Signet) and two Talismans (Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress) can help. Later on in the game if you don't need these rocks then you can simply discard them to pay for Varina's ability and then they can be used as fodder to exile to make Zombies.
Good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
1 month ago
To start, I'll work on the manabase. Temple of the False God and Darksteel Ingot should be dropped immediately, with Talisman of Indulgence and Mind Stone as nearly direct upgrades in this specific deck. I would also drop Rogue's Passage, Dismal Backwater, a single Swamp, and Dimir Aqueduct for Darkwater Catacombs, River of Tears, Fetid Pools, and Underground River.
This should smothen your draws and manabase, giving you your colors faster and more efficiently, for a small cost. Other cards I would drop outside the manabase would be Grisly Spectacle, Balustrade Spy, In Bolas's Clutches, Hedonist's Trove, Psychic Strike, Fated Return, Keening Stone, Mindcrank, Trepanation Blade, Riddlekeeper, Dreadwaters, Increasing Confusion, Paranoid Delusions, Psychic Drain, and Traumatize, many of these 15 cards are simply overcosted or only affect one player, and don't do enough.
Cards I would run instead would be Animate Dead, Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni, Phenax, God of Deception, Mesmeric Orb, Szadek, Lord of Secrets, Counterspell, Brainstorm, Ponder, Stroke of Genius, Prismatic Lens, Jace, Memory Adept, Dreamborn Muse, Thought Scour, Dimir Charm, Whispering Madness
2 months ago
First of all, thank you for your Primer, it’s been a great help! Very inspirational piece of deck tech!
I’ve recreated most of the deck with some minor changes.
I’ve cut out Utter End in favour of Sorin, Grim Nemesis as a redundant effect in Aminatou + Kaya + Guardian + Panharmonicon/Oath of Teferi combo. He also provides extra draws, something the deck struggles with, in my opinion.
I reduced Islands to three, adding Halimar Depths. Having hardly any Turn 1 plays, I think it’s worth keeping a slightly riskier hand and re-arranging the top to hit the missing land. If you have a fetchland in hand, you can t2 reshuffle easily. I also found it helpful when I was running out of gas.
I decided to include Eldrazi Displacer instead of Ixidron, so also had to tweak manabase a bit. Swapping Concealed Courtyard and Darkslick Shores for Caves of Koilos and Underground River respectively brought the deck to a satisfying number of colourless sources. Displacer does not disappoint! I was able to pull of Felidar Guardian + Gonti, Lord of Luxury tonight, without Aminatou, the Fateshifter and Panharmonicon or Oath of Teferi. Instead, I had a Peregrine Drake and five lands, including Winding Canyons and Reliquary Tower. Took a while to explain to the table it’s a win lol!
I do not own an Imperial Seal so decided to go more flickery way and added Brago, King Eternal. The deck isn’t that much value oriented though, so I will probably add Rune-Scarred Demon instead as I found myself struggling to find answers at times.
Also swapped Angel of Despair for a cheaper disruption creature – Reflector Mage. More likely to get cast with Winding Canyons. I know it only hits creatures, but I didn’t find myself in the need to heavily disrupt non-creature strategies just yet.
Perplexing Chimera is still on my list. I like how you can get it back with Aminatou’s -1, but opponents will slow roll their spells in order to get rid of it or will simply wipe the board. Considering putting Draining Whelk as it’s a more reactive disruption that I can later flicker with Eldrazi Displacer or bounce back with Venser.
Insidious Dreams is proving to be disappointing as oftentimes I don’t have enough acceptable cards to pitch to it. Might go with Personal Tutor or Mystical Teachings instead. The first one if I can afford to slow roll Entreat the Dead or can use Aminatou’s +1 to put Time Warp in my hand, provided Archaeomancer or Salvager of Secrets is on the field already. The second can be good to fetch Venser, Shaper Savant, a counterspell or any other instant tutor effect. Flashback can prove useful too.
Thanks for sharing your deck with us, hopefully you’ll find my playtesting experience useful, too!
2 months ago
Well, I mean Bolas is one of the most power-hungry and powerful planeswalkers in the game, if that doesn't say cEDH I don't know what does, also RNG doesn't exist in Gemstone Caverns, IE no rolling dice or flipping coins, but if you just mean randomness, I could say the same thing for every card that you only want openning hand and is a bad draw later on, like Sol Ring, or the two leylines, or Mana Crypt.
The essence of Bolas is 'Everything to Win', so the cards like Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Tarnished Citadel, Ad Nauseam, Imperial Seal, Mana Confluence, Shivan Reef, Underground River, Ancient Tomb, and City of Brass are more flavorful than cards like Izzet Boilerworks, and also are just good cards.
Jank is generally the opposite of competitive, so why every turn 4 win is supposedly jank, and Laboratory Maniac is supposedly jank too is beyond me.
Also, discard is a mechanic of stax, a key mechanic of that too, if you have ever seen a cEDH mono-black stax deck not running discard, be my guest. It is too powerful an effect not to use if your goal is to stop your opponents from casting spells.
Also, have you seen Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker? He ends games fast, not slow. I turn one any land and Lotus Petal to Flash+Arena Rector him out and it is over, no buts about it, that one player who might have an answer? +3 and their only land is gone, next turn do the same, next turn ultimate him, rinse repeat on the other two players who are still in the game, protecting him from Chain of Vapors and Into the Roils with the Counterspells in my hand, until they are all out of lands, cards, and permanents, and eventually life too, GG.
Also, the original Nicol Bolas, yeah I run him in modern, who else am I gonna turn one out with two Simian Spirit Guides, a Faithless Looting and Goryo's Vengeance, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn? Nah, he blows up their permanents, what permanents are they going to have turn one? Not much, discarding their hand is much better, but obviously I run both.
Point is, I don't think the essence of Nicol Bolas is to be a slow, grindy controlling deck, it is a deck that wins every time, for now and forever, sure, I'd probably argue grixis twin should be the deck for Nicol Bolas, but he'd only be used for the commander, and wouldn't serve a purpose in the deck other than for colors.
You also asked me for advice, so take it or not, but I got the deck to be more competitive and down to 100 cards, like you wanted.