Creature — Insect
Return an Elf you control to its owner's hand: Untap target creature. Activate this ability only once each turn.
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Wirewood Symbiote Discussion
5 days ago
Thanks for the suggestions. Most of those are cards that I was looking to include, but I was trying to decide between adding the utility package you listed above or improve my ramp and card draw. I used to have the Pact and FoW in the deck, but they got cut over time because I hated getting them in my opening hand. FoW in particular frustrated me because I only ever seemed to have another blue card to ditch to it about 1/3 of the time that it was in my hand. Most of my play testing was 1v1 against fast decks like Jenara and nooze combo Mimeoplasm, so a lot of cards that didn't offer me immediate value in the first 3 turns ended up on the chopping block.
I really should have had Spellskite and Scavenging Ooze in the deck a long time ago, particularly the Ooze, but my only copies were locked up in other decks until recently.
I may hold off on the FoW for now and put in Soul of the Harvest to give my main combos more consistency. I also want to give Rishkar, Peema Renegade a try, since he plays well with both Animar and Wirewood Symbiote. How well has Rishkar worked out for you in your deck?
6 days ago
Thanks for the reply!
So what would your thoughts be regarding having the Kiki-jiki combo in Animar? I know that a number of people consider it too slow and awkward with its mana requirement, but it does come with the benefit of being a 2-piece infinite combo that doesn't required Animar on the board. Cards like Eldritch Evolution and Vizier of the Menagerie have also gone a long way to making the combo more accessible.
Kiki-jiki combo pieces do take up a number of slots though, and can warp how the deck plays. Pestermite and Deceiver Exarch tie in well with Cloudstone Curio combos but they also make you compromise deck space that could go to other functions like more ramp, card draw, or silver-bullet cards like Scavenging Ooze.
When I first saw your list, I was surprised that it did not include Wirewood Symbiote because I thought it was a powerhouse for netting extra value and Animar counters with cards like Rishkar, Peema Renegade, Elvish Visionary, and Reclamation Sage. Would you say that there just aren't enough elves in the deck to make the Symbiote's inclusion worthwhile, or was it excluded for another reason?
1 week ago
The Yisan package of Scryb Ranger and Quirion Ranger/Wirewood Symbiote may support or supplant your Nature's Chosen effects, depending on how much hate your commander faces. They stop the 2-1 nature of auras anyway, and scryb ranger is variously useful.
1 month ago
Agreed! Hopefully I can be of some help with this deck too!
I made suggestions thinking we were optimizing for Surge, but if you want to take it out and just make it G/W good stuff then that's your perogative. G/W good stuff with Genesis Wave requires different suggestions than building around Primal Surge.
Either way you go, I like the elf sub theme you have going on. It's definitely one of the strongest ramp engines for EDH. Since you have a fair amount of elves, Elvish Archdruid, Priest of Titania, and Wirewood Symbiote might be worth testing. Not to mention they go very well with the creature draw engines you have (I.e. Soul of the Harvest/Primordial Sage).
Swaps I would suggest:
I made sure all the cards I suggested are under $10. I hope was able to help!
1 month ago
- Have 5 elves in play.
- Tap Priest of Titania for 5 mana
- Untap the Priest using Wirewood Symbiote by returning your random 1 drop to your hand (lets say it's an Arbor Elf)
- Pay 2 mana to the Temur Sabertooth and return the Wirewood Symbiote to your hand.
- Re-cast your Arbor Elf and Wirewood Symbiote for 4 mana
- Go to step 1 and repeat for infinite mana and also infinite untaps
1 month ago
Welcome to commander!
Yisan is well known to be a fast, inevitable clock. At a multiplayer table, be prepared to have quite a bit of removal thrown your way. "Why?" you might ask. And the answer is the combo potential, the following is but one example:
As you can see, all of those pieces can be fetched using your commander, so people are going to be scared you're going to do that and generate infinite mana, and infinite untaps of your commander.
If you want to go in another direction and avoid the hate, swap Yisan for Yeva, Nature's Herald as your commander, and people will probably leave you alone.
On the other hand, if you're up for the challenge of being Enemy Number One, look at a few combo pieces in other Yisan decks, such as:
Cheers and happy building!
1 month ago
First I would like to ask what the budget on this is, as there are very random prices despite you saying it is a budget deck. Second I think that Wirewood Symbiote and Priest of Titania are redundent as you have very few elves and not enough to consider there an elf theme in my opinion. There are many other cards that would make the deck faster. I would also allow for alternate win conditions and protection, as although the combos are powerfull when they work, in larger games or they become more likly to be distrupted. I would run board wipes and possibly eldrazi as an alternate win condition. For more combo potential I would add Temur Sabertooth as it is durable, and combos with cards like Peregrine Drake and others like that, and it can protect your combo peices and board. Overall I would cut down slightily on combo and make the deck more flexible so it can survive in more situations.
1 month ago
Wirewood Symbiote is indeed in there to get elves back to my hand in case they get targeted.