Hall of Heliod's Generosity
: Gain .
, : Put target enchantment card from your graveyard on top of your library.
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|Modern Horizons (MH1)||Rare|
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- Defense of the Heart + Hall of Heliod's Generosity
- Hall of Heliod's Generosity + Second Chance
- Hall of Heliod's Generosity + Underworld Breach
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Hall of Heliod's Generosity Discussion
5 days ago
Thank you so much for your input psionictemplar!
What is the purpose of the Scroll Rack? Is it to trade lands you get from land tax into other cards? - Exactly. Pull out lands, trade lands and unneeded cards to dig further into the deck. Thins out the deck too, and both cards in the combo are Enlightened Tutor targets. 4 Land tax is a must I think; you want a T1 tax, and tutor for rack if you need, then rack away the extra taxes. 3 Scroll Rack is what most tax/rack decks play; I don't want 2 in my opening hand, but I'd rather not have to tutor for it every game.
Does only having 8 basic lands do enough for land tax? - It's admittedly an odd land base, but T1 tax and T2 rack while being able to counter at least 1 of your opponents spells is actually a fairly reliable opening. Moxes help, and Chrome Mox is part of the reason for 4 Detention Sphere (D-sphere a great card for this deck: exile it w/ chrome mox for UW, E-tutor target for emergency spot removal of all permanents with same name that I can't counter, and is blue for FOW and Force of Negation). I have 23 mana sources (16 lands + 7 mox), and remember with land tax you're literally pulling lands out the deck every turn, every game. As a result you don't want your deck stuffed with lands, but the trick here is having enough W for tax/e-tutor turn 1. Of the 23 mana sources, a maximum of 14 are UW (including chrome mox exiling a d-sphere), so it's a delicate balance that works ok now and I'm still tooling with it. Also, great recommendation with Hall of Heliod's Generosity! Bringing back Solitary Confinement is super valuable, but I have to see if it's worth the risk of only having colorless mana. I included 2 Solitary's so if 1 gets blown up hopefully I can tutor for the other.
I'm also wondering about the inclusion of Genju of the Falls and the detention sphere's - LOL so am I. D-sphere as I explained earlier I think is crucial for this deck, but Genju is just a fun addition I've kicked around (acts as a pseudo Delver of Secrets Flip, blue fodder for FOW is very important, the deck is full of islands, and it goes back to my hand! This is big because if Island gets destroyed, that provides synergy with Land Tax and helps refill my hand for counters and better scroll racks). I think sometimes the deck might stall waiting for Jace/ Luminarch Ascension, and if Luminarch gets blown up while I have solitary out, the opponent only attacks Jace if he's out too. Genju gives me a pocket Delver I can swing with if I'm stuck with Solitary and nothing else. It's likely not the best but it's a funny play I'm messing with, and other recommendations would be helpful. Standstill is a good rec, and I actually had Counterbalance in here originally and may put it back.
Basically I'm pretending that Abrupt Decay doesn't exist... that card gives me nightmares. Otherwise I think this deck can at least be somewhat competitive with a bit more refinement, and thanks for helping!
5 days ago
Hey, nice deck! I would probably consider adding a Hall of Heliod's Generosity to the deck :)
6 days ago
I don't play much legacy so maybe I'm clueless on this. So I guess I'll ask these questions and give my thought regardless. 1.What is the purpose of the scroll rack? Is it to trade lands you get from land tax into other cards?
2.Does only having 8 basic lands do enough for land tax? I know you have cantrips to help you hit your land drops, but it almost feels like you don't have enough lands regardless. Have you considered adding Hall of Heliod's Generosity as a way to recycle solitary confinement?
3.Do you need 3 scroll rack or 4 land tax? I'm also wondering about the inclusion of genju of the falls and the detention sphere's. What are their roles in this deck.
1 week ago
Editing the deck a bit, let me know what you think:
1 week ago
Haven't touched the deck in quite a while outside of throwing Hall of Heliod's Generosity in when MH came out.
There are some fun ones I'm considering too: Wellspring seems unobtrusive and interesting, especially outside of blue.
There's a lot from TBD that seem niche but might be good:
Callaphe, Beloved of the Sea might do enough.
Dawn Evangel I feel lacks targets.
Destiny Spinner looks fun.
Flicker of Fate is cute.
Transcendent Envoy over Danitha Capashen, Paragon?
I much prefer input from friends over staring at EDHREC, so I'm looking forward to what you have to suggest in general.
2 weeks ago
Hey, nice to see Luminarch Ascension with a pillowfort strategy :)
Consider expanding the pillowfort?
These cards slow down the game which you can benefit from since Boros is not as fast as other color combinations. Turn one Deafening with as many creatures as you have can give you an advantage. Many enchantments here are high CMC cards which means most likely you will not be casting more than one a turn. Boros can have a difficult time stopping opponents combos which these cards can help with because many combos involve casting cards.
Other cards to consider adding:
- Sunbaked Canyon
- Hall of Heliod's Generosity
- Naya Panorama
- Talisman of Conviction
- Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs: repeatable tokens, opponents are not going to want to attack you if it gives you a 3/3 for each creature who's attacking.
- Mask of Memory: repeatable draw, good with flying creatures.
- Nahiri, the Harbinger: repeatable draw, exile removal and her ultimate can tutor for one of Aureila or Helm for your winning combo turn.
- Boros Charm
Cards to consider cutting:
- Boros Guildgate
- Stone Quarry
- Rampaging Ferocidon: not good with the Aureila + Helm combo or Ascension, etc.
- Seraph of the Sword
- Everdawn Champion
- Serra's Blessing
- Baird, Steward of Argive
- Damping Sphere
- Leyline of Sanctity
- Warmonger Hellkite
Good luck with your deck.
3 weeks ago
So I like your deck as it is very similar to an enchantment deck I run Enchantress Harvest. However, here are a few suggestions you might want to consider.
Should Karametra really be your commander? For the longest time I had Karametra as my commander because she ramped and doubled as an enchantment but, the reality is by the time you have 5 mana how effective is getting an additional land each time you play a creature, especially with a deck that has a CMC at 2.83? I ended up adding her to the 99 and switched to Shalai, Voice of Plenty as my commander. The upside of Shalai is she provided additional protection for all my enchantress and, gave me a mana sink for when I had additional mana. Even if you don’t run her as your commander I would still consider adding her as part of the 99. Maybe consider switching out Aegis of the Gods or Nyx-Fleece Ram for her?
I counted 9 aura’s in your deck so I would consider swapping out either Auramancer or Monk Idealist (Preferable the Monk because Rebecca Guay’s art on Auramancer is amazing) for Heliod's Pilgrim. I have found the pilgrim is a good situational card and rarely becomes a dead draw. Depending on the situation she can act like a Sakura-Tribe Elder fetching out one of your enchant lands effectively ramping you or, she can pull out one of your aura based targeted removal spells to remove key threats off the board.
How good is Nyx-Fleece Ram in this deck? Sure, it is an enchantment creature and sure you gain a life each turn but, how impactful is the lifegain and, other than being an enchantment based wall how important is this card in your deck? Personally, I would swap it out for Destiny Spinner because they both count as enchantments but, more importantly the Spinner is making 55 of your cards in your deck uncounterable. If you throw your lands in there, then with Destiny Spinner out 92 / 100 cards in your deck can’t be countered. That is a huge setback for the blue players at the table. Also, don’t write off that second ability because, it is common by turn 9 to have 10 plus enchantments on the board and, more mana than you know what to do with. There have been several times in the late game I am sitting with 20+ mana nothing to play and a ton of enchantments on the board. Turning 3 or 4 of my lands into huge 10+ P/T creatures with trample can quickly end one of my opponents, especially if they don’t see it coming.
Replace Emeria, The Sky Ruin with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. In order for Emeria to work you need to have every plains you are running in this deck out which seems very unlikely. Most games this is going to function as a plains that comes into play tapped with little upside. Nykthos, on the other hand, will give you gobs of mana especially considering most of the things in your deck are permanents.
I personally would remove Sakura-Tribe Elder and consider replacing him with something like Cryptolith Rite or Dryad of the Ilysian Grove. Cryptolith Rite is useful in this deck because you typically will have a lot of enchantress on board doing nothing for you besides giving you card advantage. Why not put those ladies to work and turn them into mana dorks?
Replace Green Sun's Zenith with Finale of Devastation. For me this is more of a personal preference as both are really good and I ran GSZ for many years in my enchantress deck but, what I like about the Finale better is I can pull stuff from my graveyard if necessary or in the late game it functions almost like a Craterhoof Behemoth since your deck should be creating insane amounts of mana. One of my typical wincon’s when I have a large board state is to cast Finale of Devastation for 12+ mana and search out Nylea, God of the Hunt to give everything trample (if I already have her out then I will grab the biggest flyer I have left in the deck). Then I will swing with the team. Even with just a few creatures on the board you are giving everything you have trample and at least +10/+10 which typically will mean the end of one or more players.
A few cards I would consider adding:
Captain Sisay I can’t tell you how powerful this card is in your deck. Already I counted 8 legendary cards in your deck and, with the inclusion of cards like Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or, Shalai, Voice of Plenty that number will rise. Even with the 8 legendries you have if you get to untap with her you are going to be pulling cards like, Gaea's Cradle, Serra's Sanctum or, Dragonlord Dromoka which anyone of those cards alone could put you way ahead of all your opponents. Most importantly she is an amazing toolbox answer to anything your opponents will throw at you. Needing additional mana? Then use her to grab one of your busted lands. One of your key enchantments got destroyed? Sounds like it is time to grab Hall of Heliod's Generosity. Black player got you down because they keep making you sacrifice your stuff? Then go grab your Sigarda, Host of Herons and give that player the middle finger! I can keep going but you get the point of how powerful getting the answer at any given situation in the game can be.
Nylea's Colossus I never knew just how powerful this card was until I saw it played against me. I was in a game when it came down and my opponent was like, “ok I will make my 4/4 flying angle token an 8/8. I will then play this enchantment, the angle is now a 16/16. For my final 2 mana I will play a Darksteel Mutation on your commander making that angle a 32/32 then attack. Do you have any flying creatures to block with?” I respond with, “I did have one until you turned it into an insect” which my opponent responds, “O ok well then you take 32 damage, Good Game!” Play against a Nylea’s Colossus once and see how busted that card can make even the smallest of creatures become.
Academy Rector, Idyllic Tutor, Enlightened Tutor and, Plea for Guidance all basically do the same thing, tutor for enchantments. If you can’t afford the Academy Rector or Enlightened Tutor then I understand not adding those to the deck but the other two tutors are super cheap right now and should be added. Basically, the more abilities you have to tutor in the deck the more answers you will be able to retrieve to solve the situation at hand. One common misconception people have is if you are going to tutor then you are always going to be tutoring for the same cards which is not always the case in a deck like this plus if you are playing against lower power level decks then don’t always search for your powerful cards like Sigil of the Empty Throne instead opt for something less powerful like a Soul Snare or one of your big enchantment creatures to use them as a big beater.
Wrath of God / Day of Judgment and Austere Command. I was like you and only ran Quarantine Field for years as my single mass removal spell and, I would always run into situations where I need an answer to a scary board state. Once I ditched Quarantine Field for Wrath of God and threw in Austere Command I found I had more answers to what my opponents where doing. I would personally run both but, if you had to pick one then I would use Austere Command because it will allow you to deal with more problems on the board. However, if you are going to run Wrath of God then you need to get the From the Vault Annihilation version because it has Heliod kicking ass in the artwork! (gotta stay on theme!)
Ancestral Mask that card just rocks in any enchantment deck but, I use it as a secondary wincon. So many games I will attach Ancestral Mask to Shalai and instantly turn her from a 3 / 4 into something silly like a 24 / 25 with the large amount of enchantments I have on the board then knock an unsuspecting player out from commander damage. It is even better if you have Nylea's Colossus on board because with the Ancestral Mask alone you can turn your commander into something silly like a 50 / 51 or bigger.
Sun Titan This one is more of a personal preference of mine but, because you are running so many 3 cmc or less permanents in the deck this card will do a lot of work in the reclamation department.
Overall I think you have a really strong deck and are off to a fantastic start. Some of the suggestions I suggested are based on things I have seen playing my own enchantress deck. Also, throwing in those alternate wincons makes the deck more enjoyable to pay because I am not winning in the same fashion every single game. On top of that it also helps to make the deck a lot more resistant. Lastly, because there is no true go to Selesnya enchantment commander don’t be afraid to switch up who you use as your commander. In fact, I will commonly switch out my decks commander from Shalai to one of my other legendary creatures before matches based on what I am facing. If I find someone in the pod has a stax based deck then I am throwing in Sigarda as the commander. I find myself up against a lot of decks with blue in them then using Dromoka as the commander can be a fantastic choice.
1 month ago
LordTea thanks for the kind words. I saw your deck and left a few thoughts for you.
Gift of Immortality is interesting. I'd prefer artifacts, but it's worth looking into. I'd like it more if the return to the battlefield would trigger Alela.
Hall of Heliod's Generosity is something I thought about, but with only 6 enchantments, I'm not quite sure that it's worth a spot in the utility lands. It entering untapped and having a plethora of colorless artifacts does make it worth a second look though.