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Mystic Confluence Discussion
4 days ago
The list doesn't look bad, but I think there are a few changes that you could make which would drastically increase its performace.
First off, you have a bunch of cards which just feel like wasted slots:
Asceticism - This card draws in a lot of players becuase they want to protect their stuff. But this cards is a trap when trying to make youre deck more competitive. Ultimately it just slows you down as it enforces this concept of making sure your stuff never dies because you want to leave maan open for it etc. Just get used to the fact that your stuff will occasionally die and play faster instead.
Mirari's Wake - You already have enough sliver lords and your deck reounds out at 5 cmc anyway. Earlier game ramps is better so you can get you commander down faster.
Darkheart Sliver - There are better sac outlets and lifegain is again another one of those traps. If you have a card like Deathrite Shaman where some of its utility is life gain, great. But dedicating slots to it is silly. You're the aggro deck. Just win harder.
Ghostflame Sliver - Yes, I see All Is Dust. I would personally say cut both of them. You want a wrath? play Wrath of God. or Toxic Deluge. Wraths should be used when your back is against the wall (or is about to be). Here you're using it as a win more and it's just a waste.
What will make the deck go faster:
Low end ramp. Stuff like Birds of Paradise. Or Farseek/Nature's Lore. Remeber, 3 CMC ramp can only ramp your commander by at most 1 turn. You want to ramp early and you want to ramp hard. And the nyou can windmill slam your commander nice and early and start pumping out win conditions.
Card advantage. You have a few pieces but you need more. Not one for one tutors, actual card advantage. I have been very impressed with Day's Undoing as a budget Timetwister. Phyrexian Arena is good too. Necropotence is amazing, however takes some getting used to. Mystic Confluence is just solid. I'm also partial to Night's Whisper.
2 weeks ago
1) Lower Grapeshot to 1-2x as you don't want it in your opening hand and only want to see it comboing out
2) Simian Spirit Guide is better than Desperate Ritual or Pyretic Ritual as it can be used on turn 1 and still nets 1 mana like the other spells. I understand if the guide is not a budget choice. Its still all about getting double blue to cast dream halls. maybe High Tide might be better....?
3) Not to keen on Saprazzan Skerry or Sandstone Needle, how has your experience been with them?
4) Improve Card Draw - 1st you need draw to find the dream halls, then there's a high chance for stalling as most your card draw doesn't net any card advantage after paying the discard cost. reconsider draw cards that net 1-2 cards after replace itself and discarding to cast: keeping budget in mind because ancestral recall/visions would be good.
2 weeks ago
Again, thanks for the input!
Though this deck does contain counter spells, I wasn't planning on using more than 3-4. These are mostly meant to make the deck slightly more versatile, especially during the early stages of a game. That's why the counter spells in it don't have a CMC above 3. I like all the cards you mention on this front though (Mystic Confluence, Commit / Memory and Wild Ricochet). Rest assured I'm using some of them in other decks (some of which still need to be posted).
I'm using one wheel effect in this deck; Windfall. I included it because I wanted something to complement the sparse battery of counterspells this deck containts. Also, it's a nice, cheap form of disruption I can use early game. Adding more of these effects, ... I dunno. I feel that to get more out of them, I would need to add more cards that would damage players for drawing cards and preferably also for discarding cards. I have a Grixis deck with Nekusar, the Mindrazer as a commander (this deck still needs to be posted), which already does precisely that.
Though Ral Zarek is pretty darn awesome and I happen to own one, I'm not sure I should add him. His primary power does come in handy combined with the creatures that have an activated ability, but other than that he doesn't fit the theme all too well. I'll think him over some more.
When comparing Sanctum and Electromancer, I'd say Sanctum has more abilities (scrying as well) and is harder to remove, whereas Electromancer has a cheaper CMC. As the deck already has plenty of draw and scrying stuff AND it's hard to get started as a blue-red deck (without Mizzix) to begin with, I'd rather have the cheaper Mancer.
Djinn of Infinite Deceits, now there's a card I completely overlooked! I'm definitely going to add him. He'll probably be replacing Erratic Portal; I've not needed it all that often anyway, I got more use out of Cloudstone Curio.
Cultural Exchange could fulfill a similar role as the Djinn, but as a one-off effect and on a larger scale. It would be brilliant if one could cast Reins of Power or Blatant Thievery first and follow it up with this card to take control of a second opponent's creatures. You'd even get your own creatures back by the end of your turn. However, these are the only two situations I'd deem this card to be worth its CMC. If I'd be generating more tokens somehow I would add this card, but since I'm not doing that ...
Guttersnipe has been great. Usually I play three opponents. That means that whenever Snipe is on the field, each instance/sorcery I cast will cause 6 damage (2 per opponent). That doesn't seem like much but it does begin to stack up after a while. As this deck contains 26 such spells AND I can cast Snipe during the early game, I consider it to be too valuable to replace.
2 weeks ago
Alright, here comes part 2! As I said before, it is really hard to give advice without playing the deck so these are just cards to consider not something you have to include in the deck.
Mystic Confluence is a counterspell, removal and card draw in one - very versitale card.
Commit / Memory is a counterspell, removal, grave-hate and wheel effect in one - again very versitale card.
Wild Ricochet can be a lot of fun and it is a counterspell and fork in one.
You may consider adding one or two more wheel effects (for example Fateful Showdown) to support Niv-Mizzet's and Psychosis Crawler's draw-pain theme. I know that it is not the main theme of the deck but I feel like they could get some more love and it could also make the deck more versitale.
Djinn of Infinite Deceits could fulfill the role of sac-outlets in your deck because you can exchange a temporarily stolen creature for a different one and keep it permanently. (At least I think it would work that way.)
Cultural Exchange - Again, I am really not sure about this fun but it could be a lot of fun.
As for what to take out, I really don't know. There are no bad cards in the deck, only card I question a little bit is Guttersnipe but I may be totally wrong about it. How often does it really help you to win?
1 month ago
Kamigawa dragons Keiga, the Tide Star and Yosei, the Morning Star are great on their own in this deck. However, along with them, run Rite of Replication because of how you can combo it with these dragons by targeting one or the other with kicker. For Keiga, this means stealing 5 creatures. For Yosei, this means tapping 25 permanents and skipping up to 5 untap steps spread amongst your opponents, and this effect can stack too; say you only have one opponent and you get this combo off, that opponent can't untap for 5 turns in a row while 25 (basically all) their stuff is tapped, effectively giving you 5 extra turns in a row. And you get to keep your original Yosei or Keiga. And with those dragons on the field, using Rite of Replication to copy, say, Sunscorch Regent 5 times is still pure value given Ojutai's effect. Also, I'd run Cyclonic Rift over those blue "wipes" any day. Sleep is better than Icy Blast. Blind Obedience over Kismet which helps snag all players and is more political. As for counterspells, you have a lot of cheap options with this commander. Counterspell should be a staple for control decks, as leaving up 2 islands is not at all an investment. Silumgar's Scorn to get a second one. Stubborn Denial and Swan Song are great for what they do, and Mystic Confluence and Cryptic Command for great utility. Wouldn't run the Gideon because he doesn't offer much for the deck really. Nevinyrral's Disk should probs get replaced by Hour of Revelation for it will only ever cost 3 white mana in a multiplayer game, and Nevinyrral's gives your opponents too much time to prepare for it while also painting a target on your back. I think those are the main points for now. +1 from me. I'm a sucker for anything Ojutai; I used to run a voltron control deck with Dragonlord Ojutai, and now I run a voltron/control/spell-sling with Taigam, Ojutai Master at Ojutai's Mystification.
1 month ago
1 month ago
MSL2395: Yeah, your experiences sound much like mine. The deck is definitely reliant on the commander here, which unfortunately is an inherent weakness.
I tried to mitigate this weakness by frequently casting The Locust God on my combo turn (with Dream Halls or otherwise), or having a lot of counterspells. The "return to hand" clause is really helpful to mitigate this (since most removal merely kills it), but it's still worth mentioning.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite really hurts against this deck, though I've won despite it by wheeling with Purphoros, God of the Forge on the field. Snapback is very helpful here, as are Mystic Confluence, Chaos Warp, and counterspells.
I'd also consider Goblin Bombardment, thanks! It was in an early draft, but got cut for some reason. Thanks for your comments, and I'm so happy you've enjoyed the deck!
For commander decks, I often use the rule of 39 lands, minus two for each mana rock you run. I'm running 12 mana rocks, and enough wheels to find lands and rocks when I need them. I've not had much of a problem personally, but if you can't afford Mana Crypt/Mox Opal/etc, I wouldn't go below perhaps 35 land.
(For comparison, cEDH decks usually run 29-32 land and work very, very well.)
I hope that helps! :)
1 month ago
Stoneforge Mystic, Open the Armory, Ponder, Preordain, Serum Visions, Opt, Render Silent, Trophy Mage, Remand, Memory Lapse, Dig Through Time, Miscalculation, Mystic Confluence, Anointed Procession, Unquestioned Authority.