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Mishra's Workshop Discussion
1 week ago
They didn't "let" me. It was a 6 player EDH game and my mono black deck has like 8 tutors (capitalizing on my color's strengths). But yeah, I know what you mean.
Yesterday I lost a 4 player game so I went to grab food. Came back 10 minutes later and one person said to the complainer that he complains a lot. So I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, regardless of who actually voices their opinion in the public playgroup.
You're right, it is good synergy with some luck. I consider that AMAZING magic. I would do it (although not in this playgroup) and I wouldn't mind if someone did it to me (even in the same playgroup, which as been done before). The reason I don't mind is because if 1 of the 3 players plays archenemy, then it's fun regardless if I'm the 1 of the 4 who is attacking, or the 1 of the 4 who is being attacked by the rest. It's fun to me. Then when the archenemy is weakened enough, you guys attack each other until he builds himself up. Or, you could kill the archenemy entirely (that is extremely frowned upon by the playgroup since no one wants to get hated out of a game).
You're right, I should definitely talk to all the players outside the playgroup to get their opinion. It would work better, thank you. I will take that advice. I have been thinking about that, there is another meta I could go to (No combos allowed which sucks, but their playstyle is more cuthroat which could help I guess).
On an unrelated note, 1 year ago I went to a random LGS and this guy used Enchanted Evening and Cleansing Meditation to wipe out 3 of the 5 players. He would have then beat me next turn had I not tutored for Living Plane when I had Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite on the field to blow his lands and he got mad. He blows up the ENTIRE board (except my field since I had indestructible) and he gets mad that I only blew up his lands, not his mana producing artifacts. See the irony? Lol
I get that. I made weaker decks. I had Grand Arbiter Augustin IV combo control that I took apart since no one liked it. Then I had a Captain Sisay deck whose win con was Paradox Engine or LD or attacking with infinite P/T creatures. I took that apart too. I made a Norin the Wary deck with ETB triggers off of Impact Tremors and Genesis Chamber and similar cards they got SO SALTY (there was no MLD or anything like that despite running mono red). I even made a mono blue shitty clone deck that SUCKS and I play it from time to time against their most casual decks and that seems to work I guess (since I never win with that deck).
Also, yeah...I have been called names similar to that. The deck (according to tapped out) is like 5.6k or something realistically more like 4k with cards like The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Candelabra of Tawnos, Mishra's Workshop and the like. It's a lot of money, I get it. But I'm not going to let others make me feel bad that I spend $ on my decks. They choose to spend all their time at a game store instead of trying to find a job (maybe they tried to find one and failed, idk), doing focus groups, or many other things that can help them. So whenever they see my expensive cards, I downplay it like "yeah, it's just cardboard" or when shit gets super salty I say "it's just a game, why are you getting mad at something that is supposed to help you relax?" I try not to say it in a rude way, but more so in a caring nature.
It's both. Some are opposed to combo and EVERYONE has their own definition of what a combo is. Yes it is a very slippery slope. But it's not one individual person that has power, but the group. And yes, that broad definition (or lack thereof) makes things like this happen all the time. Yes, that would be frowned upon as well (although not completely disallowed) since that example in particular isn't devastating in and of itself. Not sure if I made it clear but I am "Mr. Money Bags" according to them. House stance is divided since everyone has their own opinion. Percentage of people is hard to say, but a rough estimate is 30%-40% depending on who is in the group at the time. I tried having 2 adult conversations, so far, nothing worked since as someone else said, you can't really use logic with those type of people.
Other options are different LGS (definitely considering 2 others at the moment), building more timmy decks (working on Xenagos and Freyalise as my next projects), or just avoiding that player in general. Option 1 is definitely viable, I have 2 other places 2 try out. Option 2 is most viable, as it is a simple and straightforward deck, although this still doesn't get rid of the larger issue at hand. Option 3 is difficult/impossible because there isn't always enough wiggle room at out meta to say "no" to this person when either you want to play or they want to play with the group. Then IF the group sides with one person, the other would get left out and feel pain (look up psychological studies of "Cyberball")
2 weeks ago
1 month ago
Saharez those Zero cost artifacts fuel a massive Dragonstorm mid to late game in my Ur-Dragon Draconic Dollar Bill Domination deck...so they are never dead draws :) . My problem with the Top in Ur-Dragon lists is that it uses mana that you don't have spare and there isn't really the need to 'see what's next' as there are no big combos. Sure, it's a must in most EDH decks but I'd rather just draw a big dragon in the first place. In my experience Chromatic Lantern is a must for fixing the mana base in any 5 color deck, it simply wins games. Have you played an Ur-Dragon list? If No is the answer you really should score the Pre-con...it's a real blast. Good call on the Kilnmouth Dragon, I just ordered one! Will drop a couple of dragons out of my list and try out your Signet suggestion...I'm running Mishra's Workshop so the Signets should ramp _and_mana fix -w00t!!
1 month ago
Ok, I added Ancient Tomb
Also Mishra's Workshop would be amazing for the Green Blue Artifact Deck! OH shit just looked up the price, I don't think its even Modern legal and it's $6,000 for a playset, lmao nvm...
1 month ago
Fun idea, but you won't "Legally" be allowed to pick up exodia pieces.
In other news, City of Traitors, Ancient Tomb, full playset Mishra's Workshop (which isn't restricted, for for some reason.) + additional chandelabra, could allow you to get much more consistant mana that the tron lands.
1 month ago
I would like to (re)submit my list for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth now that I have completed some decent testing with it and adjusted the list accordingly. I have also written a primer for the list to explain my reasoning on quite a few of the cards that most people do not run. As another note, I see that you have Juwdah's list from mtgsalvation and primer as your example for the deck. Although I am a huge fan of his list (it inspired me to actually build the deck and served as a great starting point), he states that he is avoiding combo to a point in an attempt to focus more on combat based wins for his list. He also intentionally leaves out hyper-expensive cards such as Mishra's Workshop and The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale to make his list more accessible. Although this is great for the purposes of introducing someone to the deck, this page has stated many times that it is actively trying to find the highest possible power level available for the deck lists it supplies. Not including the aforementioned cards and avoiding combos when possible, despite the large majority of cEDH being based around them, seems incorrect if you are looking for the maximum power level of a deck/strategy. Either way, I will be happy to discuss it some more if you want (I still believe the deck at the maximum power level to be a solid Tier 2 deck). Here is my (updated) list:
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1 month ago
Hey I love seeing another Xiahou Dun player. Your build seems pretty solid. +1 from me.
A few suggestions...
Mishra's Workshop might help since 10% of your deck is lands, just something to consider. Urborg can always make it a swamp when needed.
Mirage Mirror - CRAZY Versatility, can dodge a fair amount of removal, combos with Dark Depths
Expedition Map to search for the land you need.
Mana Web can go well with Urborg, and/or make the blue player think twice about countering you as I know this deck draws a lot of hate.
Corpse Dance to recur your commander at 5CMC or just any good creature at the top.
Torpor Orb to stop Aura Shards since 1/3rd of your deck can get demolish by that. On the other end of the spectrum, how do you deal with artifacts and enchantments since that's mono black's weakness. I recommend either of the following ..... Ugin, the Spirit Dragon (can hit your stuff, but is still great). Karn Liberated for target removal (and more hand hate). Nevinyrral's Disk (again, hurts you too, but it's always an option). Other options include Oblivion Stone and Spine of Ish Sah.
Trading Post is another card you might want to consider (also synergy with Spine). It's very versatile and has saved me a couple games. Always works well with contamination
Grim Tutor for more tutoring?
If you have time, I would love your feedback on my deck The Descent Into Darkness.
1 month ago
Hey! I really liked your Mono green deck. I actually started playing magic around M10 and stopped at Worldwake. Got back in maybe half a year ago. You said your favorite is Mono Black EDH. As such, I would love your input on my deck The Descent Into Darkness. I'm still buying some cards which are not listed in the future edits such as Mishra's Workshop but I'm curious for your input. Also, if there are any other decks you would like my input on, please let me know.