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Sacrifice Seal of Primordium: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
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Seal of Primordium Discussion
5 days ago
It depends on how you want to build the deck, but the good cheap cards I was looking at for Muldrotha were creatures and enchantments that have good sacrifice abilities, and spells that let you draw and discard (since discarding isn't that bad when you can play the cards from your graveyard with your commander).
So cards like Breakthrough, Windfall, Kagemaro's Clutch, Seal of Doom, Seal of Primordium, Sinister Concoction, Courier's Capsule, Executioner's Capsule, Mind Stone, Alchemist's Apprentice, Caustic Caterpillar, Fleshbag Marauder, and Merciless Executioner.
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
Sorry it took me so long, I suck at math and typing.
Okay, so first off, I'd suggest you drop high-costing cards. If they cost a lot (5+ mana with three colors, 6+ mana with two colors, 7+ mana with one color), and immediately win a game, they are worth it, as long as during normal, early-mid (Turns 1-6) game play, you can reach it with your ramp and manabase.
Now, onto the two cards that I believe fall under this "high-mana cost"-do-not-win-game card category:
Duneblast - This card is big, it leaves you with the best board state (Provided no opponent held up a counterspell, Heroic Intervention, Golgari Charm, Wrap in Vigor, Faith's Reward, or Teferi's Protection), but it does only help you get the best board state in terms of creatures. What creatures is the deck trying so hard to protect it couldn't run an Austere Command or Merciless Eviction over. I mean Day of Judgment/Damnation/Wrath of God feels better than this, because of your commander being able to pull off bringing back any board state you lost in them.
In Garruk's Wake - I hate this card, and love it at the same time, I mean, similar problem to Duneblast, and if you are going to make something expensive, go all the way, but 9 mana? At least personally, whenever a board-state has gotten out of hand, it has either A: been very early in the game, so people didn't have easy ways to deal with it, or B: be well protected, think an Archetype of Endurance+Avacyn, Angel of Hope being flipped from a turn 4 Tooth and Nail. The idea I want to make is a Merciless Eviction gets around anything, and come down for 2/3rds the price. I'd still rather see a Tragic Arrogance, as that card lets you pick the worst for all of your opponents, the best for you, and is sacrifice and choose, so they get around every keyword like Hexproof/Indestructible/Protection.
Now onto the next group of cards that need to go, cards that are good with enchantments, yet are not in fact enchantments, and could be replaced by enchantments:
Yavimaya Enchantress - Ooh it is by far the worst enchantress, Early game it does nothing but chump block, mid-game it blocks for real, late game it blocks and hopes someone has no creatures now that it has high damage. It will die if it gets large, because it has no built in protection, and generally just isn't very good in this deck.
Helm of the Gods - It's like Yavimaya Enchantress, except it doesn't have a body, so can't chump block early game, and doesn't count opponent's enchanments, and generally just isn't very good in this deck.
Blessed Spirits - It's a Yavimaya Enchantress that only counts enchantments put after him and doesn't count opponents enchantments, all to give him flying. At least he can deal damage through blockers, and though he has no protection, he is the best of the bunch. I still don't think he is worth keeping.
Celestial Ancient - Honestly, I have disliked this guy every time. People claim he is Cathars' Crusade levels of powerful, as in it isn't an enchantment (like Cathars' Crusade isn't a creature), and it places a bunch of counters on your creatures! This just isn't true though. Cathars' Crusade and effects like it (Coat of Arms/Door of Destinies in a tribal deck) are great because they aren't creatures, so they are harder to immediately remove. They also work because they are on enter the battlefield. If I put ten 1/1 creature tokens onto the battlefield with a spell, they all become 11/11's due to Cathars' Crusade, suddenly 10 power is 110 power. Casting enchantments doesn't have that effect. To pull off something similar, you'd have to cast either 10 actual enchantment creatures (You have 12 in total), or cast ten creatures/make ten tokens (Heliod, God of the Sun/Sigil of the Empty Throne) and then cast ten enchantments, which is difficult on many levels. The point is it looks really good, but it isn't.
Blightcaster - I love this card. No sarcasm, no until now or anything, it is a pet card of mine. That and Doomwake Giant are why I feel black should be greatly considered in the colors to use for enchantress. It is great, but without a lot of protection, tutors, and ramp, it falls short almost every time. If someone would be hurt by it, they remove it. It is a four mana do nothing, or Disfigure once or twice most of the time.
Auramancer - With a sacrifice outlet, and your commander, it feels good, because it can be a Regrowth for an enchantment on a repeatable engine, but that doesn't do it for this deck, and being a creature isn't enough, so I don't think it makes the cut.
Now onto the category of enchantments that I feel fall short in this deck. Whether they are too much mana, or not powerful enough, possibly their mana requirements are simply too much for this landbase.
Spectra Ward - It may be really cool, ooh look, I can turn any creature into a nearly untouchable (minus board wipes or enchantment removal+creature removal or colorless creature removal), unblockable (except colorless creatures), and it gets a power pump! +2/+2 isn't much in commander, and everyone runs sweepers. It is unblockable and untouchable until it isn't and I don't think such an effect belongs in any place other than a voltron build. Uril, The Mistalker maybe.
Ancestral Mask - Well, it is an iconic card. Sees play in voltron, bogles (voltron on tiny hexproofers), and sees play nowhere else. Trust me, no legacy enchantress list has used that card as a wincon, and in commander, it does find a place, but in voltron, and this deck isn't that.
Celestial Archon, for either it's bestow or normal casting cost, it is overpriced. It only does one thing, beat face. Serra Ascendant beats face at a rate per mana cost 7.5 to one. 15 to one if you count lifegain, and the only downside is not having first strike (Unless you consistently are beneath 30 life). Straight damage isn't the point of this deck though. It is about drawing card and then whittling your opponent to death whilst you combo out. This card doesn't help with that, and is 3 mana more than I would ever consider using (for both costs).
Ethereal Armor - Again, this is for voltron and bogles, not for enchantress.
Fate Unraveler - This is a Nekusar, the Mindrazer card. It is in the same vein as Underworld Dreams, a great card, especially if there is Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind combo in your meta. Fate Unraveler however gets pinged four times by Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and dies. It isn't a card for this deck on the premise that you are attempting to draw cards, and unless you have seen a ton of Enter the Infinite decks lying around, it does very little but paints a target on your head.
Armament of Nyx - This card is a trap. It looks on the outset to be a Battle Mastery that doubles as removal, but it is worse than Guard Duty or Pacifism at removal (cost, and the creature can block), and you wouldn't want to run either effect. A card that does one of two bad effects is rarely good. In this case, one of the effects is useless (double strike is a voltron card), and the other is nearly useless (or completely outclassed by Journey to Nowhere).
Grim Guardian - You run 40 enchantments. All 40 need to drop for this to win (Or most and a few that can bounce). You do not do that with this card. If you are using it to whittle, and win in combat, it also won't do. Greater Auramancy, Sterling Grove, Privileged Position or any tutor to find them comes down to inconsistently to protect him over multiple turns, so he will consistently just be removal bait, or useless. Great finisher in place of Altar of the Brood for Parallax Wave Combo, so run it if you run the combo, and some more tutors.
Underworld Coinsmith - Without lifegain synergies, he doesn't win. For value though, and he becomes very interesting. Honestly I find him to be a powerful card. Without Mana Bloom, Cloudstone Curio, Parallax Wave combo however, I don't think he is powerful enough to make the cut.
Karametra, God of Harvests - This feels bad. If it said enchantment, it's have 40+ triggers, but with out, it is just bad. Mirari's Wake is a much better version, to the point an extra tutor would be better than this. 9 lands is the maximum this can fetch, with your manabase, and that is over 9 cast triggers. It's rarely happen, so I'd estimate this to be a Gilded Lotus level of power, that enters tapped, and takes 2-3 turns to set up. It's only in here because it is an enchantment, and that isn't worth it.
Courser of Kruphix - It gives slight card advantage in the form of knowing you next card, and digging one if you find a land. Keep in mind that the land you play from top uses up for 1 land per turn (or two with Exploration), and doesn't give you any extra drops like Oracle of Mul Daya. Otherwise, the lifegain is negligible, and it blocks decently. Since it reveals all of your draws, Pithing Needles and Nevermores/Meddling Mages will all be more potent from your opponents. It is decent, but not good enough.
Quarantine Field - Removal, which I used for a time, but realized, at four mana it is a bad Banishing Light, at 6 mana, it is way to expensive not to be a board wipe. It has two modes, and any more than 6 is absurd. With mana it isn't worth it, because there are better outlets, like a Torment of Hailfire for something that wins game. It has another mode though, . I have actually cast this for more times than I have or above, because I get a cast trigger. It isn't worth it for the choices though. Journey to Nowhere, Banishing Light, Song of the Dryads, and Darksteel Mutation are all much better (the last two can even shut off commanders!)
Budget 20 cards to toss in: (No cards above 3 dollars by tcgplayer prices.)
Darksteel Mutation - It is removal for commanders, and that is about all, but I'd say is worth it.
Mana Bloom - Extra fixing, card advantage, and ramp. Cheap card in game and in real life.
Blind Obedience - Shuts off many combos, slows artifact mana, and is generally an anti-combo card. Extort is a nice bonus, but is rarely useful.
Authority of the Consuls - Same as above, but turn one play, only works on creatures, and a lot of added lifegain.
Prison Term - This card is a pet card. I love the moving around ability. It is very useful, and is a threat to any Azami, Lady of Scrolls or something like Narset, Enlightened Master where even hexproof gets gotten around when it moves.
Wild Growth - See above, remove fixing.
Weirding Wood - Replaces itself, fixes, ramps.
Abundance - Stops you form milling out (by replacing draws with reveals, when it can't reveal anything, it stops, and you don't lose the game), gives card advantage when you flip past cards you don't need, and it can't hurt since it is a may replacement effect, so you can always not reveal if you don't want to give out information.
Commune with the Gods - Powerful card draw, fills the yard.
Total cost of these twenty card: $17.25 (USD) not including taxes or shipping from tcgplayer
All of these changes will lead to a net increase of 8 enchantments, and that will leave you at 48 enchantments total, so you will only averagely need 2 enchantress effects to have access to your whole deck given infinite mana. possibly just 1 enchantress and Abundance
2 weeks ago
I understand that you already went over Femeref Enchantress in the comments, but I want to make a case for just because I have loved using it.
I wouldn't classify it as protection in a normal sense, unlike a card like Greater Auramancy, but it does deter casting a Disenchant, that otherwise might have been cast. The card I believe has other uses.
It, at least in my variation of the deck, is part of the Replenish Package I run.
Vessel of Nascency, Seal of Cleansing, Seal of Primordium, Aura of Silence, Solitary Confinement, Gaea's Touch, Sterling Grove, Font of Fertility, and Seal of Doom all allow for value when being sacrificed with a Femeref Enchantress. You run 3 of those.
With Cast Out and Commune with the Gods to help fill up my yard with enchantments, Replenish-styled effects, can bring them all back, just to have them be sacrificed. I have drawn 10+ cards in one turn with Femeref Enchantress in that method.
I use Seal of Cleansing/Seal of Primordium/Aura of Silence a lot of times on my own enchantments, because if they are going to be Return to Dusted or since I run Starfield of Nyx/Opalescence for the synergy (Ay! My Name!) with Earthcraft, when an opponent Merciless Eviction and name creature thinking my board will be exiled, then I sacrifice my Seal of Cleansing targeting Opalescence and suddenly I have no creatures in reponse, it works out.
Otherwise, you don't need to run it. I just think a more replenish-based list would work well for gaining value.
Thats my whole thing about Femeref Enchantress
Onto ramp, Overgrowth works really well, I'd suggest you use it. Wild Growth, Utopia Sprawl, and Carpet of Flowers are must-haves in enchantress, seeing play in the most competitive and most casual lists.
Now onto card draw Sylvan Library is a must-have. Imagine if Sensei's Divining Top decided it was its own man, and was going to trigger when it wanted too, but as a cost it was going to cost an extra . Sound's bad right, less control and more mana? Well its in the big world, and it is going to draw all them cards! Suddenly you are drawing 2, 3 cards a turn, and sure, it costs some life, but yes!
If you'd rather have it's child, Mirri's Guile is a great addition too. Both of these cards see play in the real legacy enchantress.
Mana Bloom is good at fixing, and since it bounces back to hand, you can keep recasting it, getting more enchantress triggers, along with triggers on Sigil of the Empty Throne, Celestial Ancient, Blessed Spirits, Doomwake Giant, Thoughtrender Lamia, Agent of Erebos, and Blightcaster
Last but not least, this seems like an aggro deck, which is strange for enchantress, I'd suggest Parallax Wave/Opalescence combo (Starfield of Nyx works as well), Squirrel Nest combo with Earthcraft, and Altar of the Brood for an instant win with either.
Solitary Confinement, Ghostly Prison, and a higher removal count (Banishing Light, Journey to Nowhere, Seal Away, etc.) along with ways of slowing down your aggressive opponents (Authority of the Consuls/Blind Obedience) all lead to a much better set up, and Teferi's Protection/Heroic Intervention can be blowouts.
I'd also suggest you up your enchantment count to around 40~50, and run a lot more tutors. Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal, Idyllic Tutor, Eladamri's Call, Sylvan Tutor, Chord of Calling, Summoner's Pact, Grim Tutor, Recruiter of the Guard etc.
3 weeks ago
(I don't really know how competitive you are trying to make this deck. Right now, it looks like you are running a lot of coll, spicy, fun cards! If your intent is to try out splashy mythics and game warping bombs, you should totally do it! I personally love playing a planeswalker tribal deck with Muldrotha, using Inexorable Tide to ult them quickly. However, for the sake of this comment, I'm going to be looking from the perspective of trying to make a more streamlined, synergistic deck.) Welp I'm a little late, but here are my thoughts on Muldrotha:
The Mending of Dominaria is kinda a non-bo with the rest of your deck. Its recursion isn't that strong, as Muldrotha can get back creatures and play lands, and then it shuffles away your bin. If this is meant to be a safety in in case you run out of cards (I notice there is no Laboratory Maniac, IDK if that's on purpose, so I'll assume you plan to win in a fair way.), then Elixir of Immortality should be enough. (Usually, people won't be trying to exile this.)
I notice you are running both Vedalken Orrery and Leyline of Anticipation. While individually powerful, they are also kinda non-bos with Muldrotha, as she will still only allow you to play from the bin on your turn. Generally, you'd rather maximize your recursion value each turn than hold up an instant speed creature. (Planning around having Seedborn Muse is too much work for not a huge reward, as you still can't play from the bin.)
There are several big dudes in this list, namely Vorosh, the Hunter, Void Winnower, Archfiend of Despair, and Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar. While they are all pretty good at ending games, none of them have much synergy with graveyard decks (Multani's is a little loose, as "BIG DOOD" doesn't usually kill people very well when you look at the other, more potent threats in this format.). My personal favorite of these is Void Winnower, as it nulls 1/2 of your opponents' spells, and win very quickly. While these are certainly not bad cards, big fatties aren't as good when against three players worth of removal.
Hoo boy, is Kamahl's Druidic Vow a card I never thought I'd see in a deck. Currently, you have around 16 legendary permanents, with an average CMC of roughly 5. That means to get even an okay druidic vow, you have to spend at least 7 mana. 7 mana to get ~1 legendary permanent, ~2 lands, and then to bin ~2 other cards really just isn't that great, especially compared to Genesis Wave.
The last two cards that I think might be a little sketchy are Jace Beleren and Damia, Sage of Stone. Both are fun cards, and very good, but again, don't seem to help your deck too much. I assume your reasoning for Jace was that you would mill yourself with him, but he has to survive for FOUR turn cycles before you can ult him, simply milling for twenty. Jace, Memory Adept does pretty much everything Jace Beleren does, but faster. In that four turn cycle, he could have milled almost half your deck, or drawn just you four cards and milled you for four, etc. Damia is a lot closer to being really good for this deck. She allows you to refill if your bin gets wiped a la Rest in Peace or something similar, and can solidify your winning position. However, I ultimately think that Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur does all that but better. By the stage in the game that they're relevant, mana cost shouldn't really matter too much.
Now to cards worth considering: 1. Perpetual Timepiece. 100000%. This card is repeatable mill and protection for 2 mana. It's pretty much an invaluable asset to Muldrotha decks. 2. Caustic Caterpillar. I see that you took this card out from theoriginal list, and if that was do to yuor meta/playgroup not having a heavy reliance on artifacts/enchantments, then ignore this. But most commander decks do care about them, and the overlap between it and Seal of Primordium is totally okay. 3. Pernicious Deed. This card can, admittedly, be a little awkward sometimes, as you often want to keep your support permanents around, but a repeatable board wipe like this is still very strong. 4. Sakura-Tribe Elder. This card is stupid in Muldrotha. I've had all the basics out of my deck before some of my opponents could even play their commanders. I don't think there's any reason not to run it. 5. Kiora, the Crashing Wave. She ramps, draws cards, is effectively removal, and her ult can win the game. Nuff said. (really though, she's very good, and great for early game when Muldrotha deck struggle to get off the ground with their 6-CMC general) 6. Ramunap Excavator or Crucible of Worlds. Now this is a bit of a controversial one. I'm still not entirely sure that they are worth it, but have found good results with the excavator. Basically, regardless of how many lands you can play for turn, Muldrotha will only let you play ONE from the bin (NOTE: Muldrotha won't let you play an extra land each turn (one from hand, one from bin)). So Ramunap Excavator +Azusa, Lost but Seeking will let you play three from the bin each turn, and pretty soon you have 20-someting lands on the field. Again, just something to consider, they are definitely still undergoing testing.
MEAN STUFF: Discalimer: These cards are often, to some degree, good at making the game less fun for everyone else, and sometimes you too. If you have a specific playgroup, I recommend asking how people feel about these cards first, so as to avoid uncomfortable situations of salt and dejectedness. All right, you've been warned, now, in no particular order, the mean stuff: 1. Glacial Chasm. This card with Muldrotha makes you nigh-invincible, at least to damage. (Loss of life/ "win the game" cards will still get you). Often, this card isn't perceived to badly, as most decks run some way of dealing with lands, but to a more casual player with a heavily creature-based deck, this might be upright cruel. 2. Possessed Portal. This may look like an awful card, but trust me, this is pretty good at locking people out of the game, especially with Jace's Archivist. Just make sure you have a way to survive under it! 3. Bottomless Pit. For you, pitching cards doesn't really matter (early on it might a little, but usually far less than it does for other decks.) This is good at shutting down just about any deck trying to do fancy things. 4. Oppression. This card is very well named. Often filling a similar role to bottomless pit, Oppression eats away at players, effectively halving the number of cards they can play. Except for you, of course. 5. Stasis+Claws of Gix. Claws is arguably worth including without stasis, as a sac outlet that can sac anything, but with Stasis, slaws will just lock every opponent out of the game. this is a reliable two-card combo, that requires only 3 mana, and Muldrotha to be out. However, Stasis is pretty much unplayable without Claws of Gix, so when you do play it, you basically just win, meaning that you often don't really get to "play" with stasis. 6. Smokestack. The namesake of the "Stax" archetype, Smokestack can very quickly turn a fun game of magical cards into a vicious game of french revolution, with you as the monarch. Smokestack does, I feel, get a little too much hate, as it takes several turns to really do anything. But it can quickly turn the game in your favor when you just play back everything you just sacrificed.
And that's it! I love Muldrotha decks, and how many ways there are to build them. There's not really any way to make them wrong, so keep trying new things out! I apologize for this little wall of text, but hopefully some of it is useful.
3 weeks ago
Ok, I made a few changes and am happy with them so far. Please take a look and share your thoughts and comments :)
Bonds of Mortality now in, replacing Cyclonic Rift, now out. Wait! - Please hear me out! I do realize that Cyclonic Rift is one of the best board wipe cards in the game currently. Cyclonic Rift is a one sided board wipe that hits takes all permanents that I don't control, leaving me poised for the win! I have two other board wipes with Nevinyrral's Disk and Pernicious Deed. I can only cast Cyclonic Rift once, however in this deck all the other cards listed below can be cast multiple times each thanks to my girl Muldrotha, the Gravetide! So, the obvious upside is that Bonds of Mortality allows me to deal with hexproof and indestructible creatures on a much more regular basis. I already have heavy creature hate, non-artifact and non-black creature spot removal with Shriekmaw. I make my opponents sacrifice a creature at the beginning of their upkeep with Sheoldred, Whispering One. My opponents sacrifice a creature whenever any of my creatures die thanks to Dictate of Erebos and Grave Pact. Everyone sacrifices a creature whenever I cast Fleshbag Marauder. I also obnoxiously make all of my opponents sacrifice all except for two of their creatures in each of their own end steps thanks to Archfiend of Depravity. I have have artifact and enchantment spot removal with Seal of Primordium.
Death's Presence now in, replacing Exsanguinate, now out. First off I still have Gray Merchant of Asphodel in the deck so redundancy for the win. A high CMC card traded for a high CMC card and I think that the ongoing benefits I will get from Death's Presence is greater than the one shot use of Exsanguinate. I have compensated for the loss of life gain by adding in Zuran Orb as below. The obvious advantage that adding this card provides is granting my creatures the potential to become insanely powerful. As my creatures start to die either because of what my opponents are doing or because that is a part of my game plan, the result is the same: Death's Presence begins giving out +1/+1 counters! To top it all off i should be able to basically move them around from creature to creature as the game progresses.
Rite of Passage now in, replacing Copy Enchantment, now out. I am very fond of Rite of Passage as I think that my opponents will need to carefully consider their attacks against me as if any of my creatures survive the fight, they will get bigger and bigger each time.
4 weeks ago
This deck looks extremely fun to play!
Couple quick thoughts, in running cards like Ashnod's Altar or Animate Dead, I think Wood Elves or Reclamation Sage would be better overall value when compared to their enchantment equlivents ex. Seal of Primordium, since you get the “enter the battlefield” effect, along with a good ramp target for the altar. Also, those value creatures can serve as a nice speed bump to protect your Planeswalkers.
In that same vein, cheap “draw a card” creatures like Wall of Blossoms would be on theme since they can protect you in the early game, or cycle and protect a Planeswalker in the late game. Basically, those cards are never a dead draw.
1 month ago
This deck looks really entertaining. I love how you have it separated out by type, it makes it easier to know how to offer suggestions.
For starters, while you have excellent creature removal, you are sorely lacking in non-creature removal. Seal of Primordium, Reclamation Sage, Acidic Slime are options. Spine of Ish Sah works as removal in conjunction with your commander too. Manglehorn is disruptive removal.
I love Twilight Prophet for this kind of thing as its ability also works well with your top-of-library manipulation even when your commander isn't out.
I personally really like Ulvenwald Mysteries, I've never seen it before, but you can sac the clues to your commander's trigger and still get the token.
Also, given the limited number of equipments you have, I'd suggest replacing Hammer of Nazahn with Darksteel Plate. It's cheaper to cast and equip assuming you can't always guarantee the hammer auto-equip but still gives indestructible, which is why I assume the hammer is in there currently.