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Seal of Primordium
Sacrifice Seal of Primordium: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
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Seal of Primordium Discussion
1 week ago
I'd personally keep the ooze (the hate is good right now) and add trackers in place of Spreading Seas, while daredevil becomes a second huntsmaster, swapping remand out for something that more permanently deals with threats- possibly a Ceremonious Rejection given how key colourless cards are in everything I'm playing against, or even Seal of Primordium maindeck. Thats mainly a meta call though- and I'm not an experienced pilot of this archetype. A little higher creature count feels good for me.
The reason I'm looking at swapping spreading seas before anything else is that everyone is prepping for Field of Ruin, so land hate is likely to be less incedentally devastating.
It just feels like against humans and against vengevine its anger or bust, so packing a set of Sweltering Suns/anger might help the list tick over. Knuckleblade might be part of that strat right now- I'd lean into it with a 4 toughness / Anger of the Gods style one sided wipe plan, with counterspells picked to fight KCI/Storm/(possibly tron). Issue is, thats a radically different list, even if the counterspell support is similar. Its difficult to judge without spending a few fridays on it.
2 weeks ago
Hey man... are you still playing this? What do you think?
I dropped the two Hearts of Kirans from mine. I felt it needed more removal, as fast creature aggro had been destroying me (humans & elves, mostly). Went with 1 Push + 1 Damnation.
I also got tired of pretty much folding soon as Blood Moon hit the table. So I've been running Seal of Primordium x2 on the sideboard. Nice that you can save them for later, even as Lili's emptying out your hand. Would definitely recommend, if you're also having trouble with Moon.
Here's my current setup if you feel like checking back... http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lo-amp-ox-1/ I'll update it from time to time as the meta shifts. I dig your Sorin SV, btw... probably real good with those Blossoms. Good luck!
2 weeks ago
Personally, I'd run Zombie Infestation as extra one with nothing copies. If its worth discarding your hand, its worth running infestation.
Dropping the CMC will do a hell of a lot. Gonti's Machinations in particular is efficient damage that can sit on the field, and Sinister Concoction is also cute, which combined with Seal of Fire points to an 'enchantments matter' list.
I envisage it looking something like this- One Challenge.
Mono black deckbuilder's toolbox is my big list of cards which I tend to brew from. feel free to take a look, see if it sparks anything.
1 month ago
hejin: Hey! I'm glad that my deck serves as some inspiration, just sorry that I wont be playing Primal surge anymore because it wasn't fun to win with it. I think I'm doing well with the removal I have now, but I'm keeping cards as Acidic Slime, Reclamation Sage, Seal of Primordium, Noxious Gearhulk and Ravenous Chupacabra in mind because it's possible that I'll need some of them.
Not a big fan of tutors for this deck except if they're a permanent who puts the card on top of the deck, and Mwonvuli Beast Tracker tutors too few creatures in the deck to be viable.
I really like Need for Speed! It'll be a great addition as the deck is now going towards a lands theme.
Champion of Stray Souls is a really greedy card, but if it's cheated out it might just be good enough! This deck doesn't put out enough creature tokens to make Krav, the Unredeemed good. Temporal Aperture doesn't fit in well with what the rest of the deck is doing.
2 months ago
It depends on how you want to build the deck, but the good cheap cards I was looking at for Muldrotha were creatures and enchantments that have good sacrifice abilities, and spells that let you draw and discard (since discarding isn't that bad when you can play the cards from your graveyard with your commander).
So cards like Breakthrough, Windfall, Kagemaro's Clutch, Seal of Doom, Seal of Primordium, Sinister Concoction, Courier's Capsule, Executioner's Capsule, Mind Stone, Alchemist's Apprentice, Caustic Caterpillar, Fleshbag Marauder, and Merciless Executioner.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Sorry it took me so long, I suck at math and typing.
Okay, so first off, I'd suggest you drop high-costing cards. If they cost a lot (5+ mana with three colors, 6+ mana with two colors, 7+ mana with one color), and immediately win a game, they are worth it, as long as during normal, early-mid (Turns 1-6) game play, you can reach it with your ramp and manabase.
Now, onto the two cards that I believe fall under this "high-mana cost"-do-not-win-game card category:
Duneblast - This card is big, it leaves you with the best board state (Provided no opponent held up a counterspell, Heroic Intervention, Golgari Charm, Wrap in Vigor, Faith's Reward, or Teferi's Protection), but it does only help you get the best board state in terms of creatures. What creatures is the deck trying so hard to protect it couldn't run an Austere Command or Merciless Eviction over. I mean Day of Judgment/Damnation/Wrath of God feels better than this, because of your commander being able to pull off bringing back any board state you lost in them.
In Garruk's Wake - I hate this card, and love it at the same time, I mean, similar problem to Duneblast, and if you are going to make something expensive, go all the way, but 9 mana? At least personally, whenever a board-state has gotten out of hand, it has either A: been very early in the game, so people didn't have easy ways to deal with it, or B: be well protected, think an Archetype of Endurance+Avacyn, Angel of Hope being flipped from a turn 4 Tooth and Nail. The idea I want to make is a Merciless Eviction gets around anything, and come down for 2/3rds the price. I'd still rather see a Tragic Arrogance, as that card lets you pick the worst for all of your opponents, the best for you, and is sacrifice and choose, so they get around every keyword like Hexproof/Indestructible/Protection.
Now onto the next group of cards that need to go, cards that are good with enchantments, yet are not in fact enchantments, and could be replaced by enchantments:
Yavimaya Enchantress - Ooh it is by far the worst enchantress, Early game it does nothing but chump block, mid-game it blocks for real, late game it blocks and hopes someone has no creatures now that it has high damage. It will die if it gets large, because it has no built in protection, and generally just isn't very good in this deck.
Helm of the Gods - It's like Yavimaya Enchantress, except it doesn't have a body, so can't chump block early game, and doesn't count opponent's enchanments, and generally just isn't very good in this deck.
Blessed Spirits - It's a Yavimaya Enchantress that only counts enchantments put after him and doesn't count opponents enchantments, all to give him flying. At least he can deal damage through blockers, and though he has no protection, he is the best of the bunch. I still don't think he is worth keeping.
Celestial Ancient - Honestly, I have disliked this guy every time. People claim he is Cathars' Crusade levels of powerful, as in it isn't an enchantment (like Cathars' Crusade isn't a creature), and it places a bunch of counters on your creatures! This just isn't true though. Cathars' Crusade and effects like it (Coat of Arms/Door of Destinies in a tribal deck) are great because they aren't creatures, so they are harder to immediately remove. They also work because they are on enter the battlefield. If I put ten 1/1 creature tokens onto the battlefield with a spell, they all become 11/11's due to Cathars' Crusade, suddenly 10 power is 110 power. Casting enchantments doesn't have that effect. To pull off something similar, you'd have to cast either 10 actual enchantment creatures (You have 12 in total), or cast ten creatures/make ten tokens (Heliod, God of the Sun/Sigil of the Empty Throne) and then cast ten enchantments, which is difficult on many levels. The point is it looks really good, but it isn't.
Blightcaster - I love this card. No sarcasm, no until now or anything, it is a pet card of mine. That and Doomwake Giant are why I feel black should be greatly considered in the colors to use for enchantress. It is great, but without a lot of protection, tutors, and ramp, it falls short almost every time. If someone would be hurt by it, they remove it. It is a four mana do nothing, or Disfigure once or twice most of the time.
Auramancer - With a sacrifice outlet, and your commander, it feels good, because it can be a Regrowth for an enchantment on a repeatable engine, but that doesn't do it for this deck, and being a creature isn't enough, so I don't think it makes the cut.
Now onto the category of enchantments that I feel fall short in this deck. Whether they are too much mana, or not powerful enough, possibly their mana requirements are simply too much for this landbase.
Spectra Ward - It may be really cool, ooh look, I can turn any creature into a nearly untouchable (minus board wipes or enchantment removal+creature removal or colorless creature removal), unblockable (except colorless creatures), and it gets a power pump! +2/+2 isn't much in commander, and everyone runs sweepers. It is unblockable and untouchable until it isn't and I don't think such an effect belongs in any place other than a voltron build. Uril, The Mistalker maybe.
Ancestral Mask - Well, it is an iconic card. Sees play in voltron, bogles (voltron on tiny hexproofers), and sees play nowhere else. Trust me, no legacy enchantress list has used that card as a wincon, and in commander, it does find a place, but in voltron, and this deck isn't that.
Celestial Archon, for either it's bestow or normal casting cost, it is overpriced. It only does one thing, beat face. Serra Ascendant beats face at a rate per mana cost 7.5 to one. 15 to one if you count lifegain, and the only downside is not having first strike (Unless you consistently are beneath 30 life). Straight damage isn't the point of this deck though. It is about drawing card and then whittling your opponent to death whilst you combo out. This card doesn't help with that, and is 3 mana more than I would ever consider using (for both costs).
Ethereal Armor - Again, this is for voltron and bogles, not for enchantress.
Fate Unraveler - This is a Nekusar, the Mindrazer card. It is in the same vein as Underworld Dreams, a great card, especially if there is Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind combo in your meta. Fate Unraveler however gets pinged four times by Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and dies. It isn't a card for this deck on the premise that you are attempting to draw cards, and unless you have seen a ton of Enter the Infinite decks lying around, it does very little but paints a target on your head.
Armament of Nyx - This card is a trap. It looks on the outset to be a Battle Mastery that doubles as removal, but it is worse than Guard Duty or Pacifism at removal (cost, and the creature can block), and you wouldn't want to run either effect. A card that does one of two bad effects is rarely good. In this case, one of the effects is useless (double strike is a voltron card), and the other is nearly useless (or completely outclassed by Journey to Nowhere).
Grim Guardian - You run 40 enchantments. All 40 need to drop for this to win (Or most and a few that can bounce). You do not do that with this card. If you are using it to whittle, and win in combat, it also won't do. Greater Auramancy, Sterling Grove, Privileged Position or any tutor to find them comes down to inconsistently to protect him over multiple turns, so he will consistently just be removal bait, or useless. Great finisher in place of Altar of the Brood for Parallax Wave Combo, so run it if you run the combo, and some more tutors.
Underworld Coinsmith - Without lifegain synergies, he doesn't win. For value though, and he becomes very interesting. Honestly I find him to be a powerful card. Without Mana Bloom, Cloudstone Curio, Parallax Wave combo however, I don't think he is powerful enough to make the cut.
Karametra, God of Harvests - This feels bad. If it said enchantment, it's have 40+ triggers, but with out, it is just bad. Mirari's Wake is a much better version, to the point an extra tutor would be better than this. 9 lands is the maximum this can fetch, with your manabase, and that is over 9 cast triggers. It's rarely happen, so I'd estimate this to be a Gilded Lotus level of power, that enters tapped, and takes 2-3 turns to set up. It's only in here because it is an enchantment, and that isn't worth it.
Courser of Kruphix - It gives slight card advantage in the form of knowing you next card, and digging one if you find a land. Keep in mind that the land you play from top uses up for 1 land per turn (or two with Exploration), and doesn't give you any extra drops like Oracle of Mul Daya. Otherwise, the lifegain is negligible, and it blocks decently. Since it reveals all of your draws, Pithing Needles and Nevermores/Meddling Mages will all be more potent from your opponents. It is decent, but not good enough.
Quarantine Field - Removal, which I used for a time, but realized, at four mana it is a bad Banishing Light, at 6 mana, it is way to expensive not to be a board wipe. It has two modes, and any more than 6 is absurd. With mana it isn't worth it, because there are better outlets, like a Torment of Hailfire for something that wins game. It has another mode though, . I have actually cast this for more times than I have or above, because I get a cast trigger. It isn't worth it for the choices though. Journey to Nowhere, Banishing Light, Song of the Dryads, and Darksteel Mutation are all much better (the last two can even shut off commanders!)
Budget 20 cards to toss in: (No cards above 3 dollars by tcgplayer prices.)
Darksteel Mutation - It is removal for commanders, and that is about all, but I'd say is worth it.
Mana Bloom - Extra fixing, card advantage, and ramp. Cheap card in game and in real life.
Blind Obedience - Shuts off many combos, slows artifact mana, and is generally an anti-combo card. Extort is a nice bonus, but is rarely useful.
Authority of the Consuls - Same as above, but turn one play, only works on creatures, and a lot of added lifegain.
Prison Term - This card is a pet card. I love the moving around ability. It is very useful, and is a threat to any Azami, Lady of Scrolls or something like Narset, Enlightened Master where even hexproof gets gotten around when it moves.
Wild Growth - See above, remove fixing.
Weirding Wood - Replaces itself, fixes, ramps.
Abundance - Stops you form milling out (by replacing draws with reveals, when it can't reveal anything, it stops, and you don't lose the game), gives card advantage when you flip past cards you don't need, and it can't hurt since it is a may replacement effect, so you can always not reveal if you don't want to give out information.
Commune with the Gods - Powerful card draw, fills the yard.
Total cost of these twenty card: $17.25 (USD) not including taxes or shipping from tcgplayer
All of these changes will lead to a net increase of 8 enchantments, and that will leave you at 48 enchantments total, so you will only averagely need 2 enchantress effects to have access to your whole deck given infinite mana. possibly just 1 enchantress and Abundance
2 months ago
I understand that you already went over Femeref Enchantress in the comments, but I want to make a case for just because I have loved using it.
I wouldn't classify it as protection in a normal sense, unlike a card like Greater Auramancy, but it does deter casting a Disenchant, that otherwise might have been cast. The card I believe has other uses.
It, at least in my variation of the deck, is part of the Replenish Package I run.
Vessel of Nascency, Seal of Cleansing, Seal of Primordium, Aura of Silence, Solitary Confinement, Gaea's Touch, Sterling Grove, Font of Fertility, and Seal of Doom all allow for value when being sacrificed with a Femeref Enchantress. You run 3 of those.
With Cast Out and Commune with the Gods to help fill up my yard with enchantments, Replenish-styled effects, can bring them all back, just to have them be sacrificed. I have drawn 10+ cards in one turn with Femeref Enchantress in that method.
I use Seal of Cleansing/Seal of Primordium/Aura of Silence a lot of times on my own enchantments, because if they are going to be Return to Dusted or since I run Starfield of Nyx/Opalescence for the synergy (Ay! My Name!) with Earthcraft, when an opponent Merciless Eviction and name creature thinking my board will be exiled, then I sacrifice my Seal of Cleansing targeting Opalescence and suddenly I have no creatures in reponse, it works out.
Otherwise, you don't need to run it. I just think a more replenish-based list would work well for gaining value.
Thats my whole thing about Femeref Enchantress
Onto ramp, Overgrowth works really well, I'd suggest you use it. Wild Growth, Utopia Sprawl, and Carpet of Flowers are must-haves in enchantress, seeing play in the most competitive and most casual lists.
Now onto card draw Sylvan Library is a must-have. Imagine if Sensei's Divining Top decided it was its own man, and was going to trigger when it wanted too, but as a cost it was going to cost an extra . Sound's bad right, less control and more mana? Well its in the big world, and it is going to draw all them cards! Suddenly you are drawing 2, 3 cards a turn, and sure, it costs some life, but yes!
If you'd rather have it's child, Mirri's Guile is a great addition too. Both of these cards see play in the real legacy enchantress.
Mana Bloom is good at fixing, and since it bounces back to hand, you can keep recasting it, getting more enchantress triggers, along with triggers on Sigil of the Empty Throne, Celestial Ancient, Blessed Spirits, Doomwake Giant, Thoughtrender Lamia, Agent of Erebos, and Blightcaster
Last but not least, this seems like an aggro deck, which is strange for enchantress, I'd suggest Parallax Wave/Opalescence combo (Starfield of Nyx works as well), Squirrel Nest combo with Earthcraft, and Altar of the Brood for an instant win with either.
Solitary Confinement, Ghostly Prison, and a higher removal count (Banishing Light, Journey to Nowhere, Seal Away, etc.) along with ways of slowing down your aggressive opponents (Authority of the Consuls/Blind Obedience) all lead to a much better set up, and Teferi's Protection/Heroic Intervention can be blowouts.
I'd also suggest you up your enchantment count to around 40~50, and run a lot more tutors. Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal, Idyllic Tutor, Eladamri's Call, Sylvan Tutor, Chord of Calling, Summoner's Pact, Grim Tutor, Recruiter of the Guard etc.