Thoughtseize

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Hero Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Pioneer Legal
MTGO Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Iconic Masters (IMA) Rare
Masterpiece Series: Amonkhet Invocations (AKHMPS) None
Theros (THS) Rare
Lorwyn (LRW) Rare

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Thoughtseize

Sorcery

Target player reveals his or her hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card. You lose 2 life.

Thoughtseize Discussion

Grubbernaut on Esper of Insanity

1 day ago

Sub Duress for Thoughtseize

Either max your island count or remove Mystic Sanctuary

Sub Sinister Sabotage for Absorb

Hero's Downfall / Fatal Push / Murderous Rider for Mortify

Drown in the Loch is pretty bad in pioneer unless you're milling your opponent, IMO

Cut big tef, go up to 3x t3f

Also wants Opt

Regardless of how you run the mana, you'll want Fabled Passage and/or checklands

There's potential, here. Cheers!

Silverdrake on Abzan Panharmonicon

2 days ago

Looks fun - I especially like the use of Charming Prince, very clever! Not sure how I feel about Eerie Interlude though - you can gain a bunch of life with it, but the only real value I'd say you get from it is flickering a rhino. I'm also not in love with the Obzedat inclusion - I see how it's on the lifegain/etb/drain theme, but it's so big and clunky and slow compared to the rest of the kit you've built here. If I were you, I'd cut both Interludes and both Obzedats for 4x Corpse Knight . Plays better with the aggressive list you've built and still takes advantage of the panharmonicon effect.

24 lands is also pretty high for a list like this - I'd consider going down to 23 or 22. You can fill those extra slots with the last Thoughtseize and/or the last Assassin's Trophy .

rick-hardpack on Elemental Ballroom Blitz

5 days ago

Thoughtseize is hella expensive, and Kolaghan's Command is only slightly cheaper. Might give Kozilek a chance though.

JakeHarlow on Budget Pirate Aggro

6 days ago

@ Spongee07:

Thanks so much for commenting!!

After Standard rotated (with the Ixalan block no longer being legal), I stopped playing Standard and haven’t been back since — I haven’t played the format with Core 2020 or Throne of Eldraine. Mostly this was because I could no longer play my Pirates!!

Then, Pioneer popped up, and just like you, it got me thinking. I haven’t thrown a list together yet, but I had considered upgrading these Pirates and seeing how they’d do in the new environment.

I would LOVE to have a discussion with you on how to upgrade this decklist for the new format. Send me a PM here on Tappedout, and maybe we can do a Google Hangouts or whatever and have an actual chat about it!

I don’t really have much of an idea about the Pioneer metagame. Is it even settled yet into smallish group of dominant strategies, or is it still wide open? I honestly have not been paying much attention.

Since Pioneer is basically Return to Ravnica forward, minus fetch lands, here are my initial thoughts right off the bat:

  • Mainboard Duress moves aside for the full playset of Thoughtseize . When they reprinted this in Theros, I immediately thought it would be absurd in an aggressive shell, and Pirates is perfect for that. Given the incredible performance of Drill Bit as auxiliary hand disruption out of the sideboard (we only run in when we are on the play or against hard Control), I’d say we would be happy to mainboard 4 copies of Thoughtseize .

  • Mana Confluence : Maybe run four of these over Dragonskull Summit ? If we can reduce the probability of playing taplands (and therefore having slow starts that could cost us games) to 0%, I feel like we would be well-served. When I did lose games with this deck, over half the time I’d say it was to drawing awkward mana and having too many Summits coming in tapped. If the meta is aggressive or burn-heavy, we might want to think twice before running so much pain in our mana base, but it’s worth considering.

  • Rending Volley : Possible sideboard option? Don’t know the meta but this is a fairly good color hoser. The other card in this Dragons of Tarkir cycle that we have access to, Self-Inflicted Wound , comes to mind as well, but it doesn’t strike me as a competitive enough to be playable in Pioneer.

  • Ob Nixilis's Cruelty : I think this is still a really good removal spell for the sideboard. Deals with indestructible, stops graveyard strategies and reanimation, and gets things with 5 toughness off of the board ( Siege Rhino comes to mind here). What do you think?

  • Sorcerous Spyglass vs. Phyrexian Revoker : As a creature, Revoker is squishier and easier to kill, but it does advance our clock faster against control and combo decks because it can attack. Losing the ability to peek at the opponent’s hand is also a drawback, but with hand disruption and Game 1 information, we should already have a pretty good idea of what the opponent has and is relying on. Revoker can also turn off mana dorks, since his ability does cover mana abilities, so that’s an upside too. This gives us some play against ramp decks, and since Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves are in the format, I’d say we might want to have an extra card against ramp!

  • March of the Drowned : I still think this is one of best cards against grindy matchups and Control decks, and depending on how Pioneer’s meta is, we might even want to play more than two copies. It’s a really cheap and efficient reanimation card for Pirates.

  • Kolaghan's Command : This card seems too good to ignore for the sideboard. Extra removal, hand disruption, reanimation and artifact hate on one card? I’d say it’s better than Angrath's Rampage even though it costs more (and it is an instant, too).

  • New Pirates?: I know Core 2020 added Glint-Horn Buccaneer , which at 3 mana and 4 toughness is very interesting and within our curve. It’s far sturdier than all our other creatures, does have haste, and causes incremental damage when we discard a card to its ability. This could be very useful against Control or grindy midrange in particular, since it can help us get through land pockets if we run into one. Against aggro matchups, it blocks fairly well if we are on the ropes. Definitely not a bad Pirate or a bad three-drop. But what to cut for it? Is it just a sideboard piece too? Or do we skip it? Also, are there other new Pirates in these colors that I am overlooking?

Anyway, those are my initial thoughts. Shoot me a private message and I’ll give you my gmail and maybe we can link up and have a real discussion! I agree with you that there is real potential here! Thanks for your interest and have a great day!!

HookCitySlamJam on Grixis Midrange Pioneer

1 week ago

What I would do to add a little bit of consistency is add a single Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth . Also I would try turning your Abrade and Bedevil into Kolaghan's Command they are easier to cast and have 4 modes. I would turn Dreadbore and Kalitas into Murderous Rider so you have three copies. Maybe turn the Ritual of Soot into Languish and through them in the sideboard and fill them with another Thoughtseize and Murderous Rider . I would also turn the Search for Azcanta  Flip into Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip.

Best of luck to you sir and I hope you dominate your OGS.

DragonzBane on Zombieneer assault

1 week ago

I would suggest dropping 2 Diregraf Ghoul (Leaving you still with 10 1 drops) and adding 2 more Thoughtseize . Depending on your meta, I would also suggest Fatal Push over Spark Harvest . Also adding 1 or 2 Castle Locthwain over swamps costs nothing and may win you a game or 2. 2-4 Liliana, Untouched By Death would help with your late game. You may be able to cut Dark Salvation for it.

I like the deck! The Zombie tribe is one of my favorites.

TheSimikBOat on abzan buying an obliterator...

1 week ago

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Thoughtseize occurrence in decks from the last year

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.01%

Modern:

All decks: 0.69%

Black: 12.87%

Rakdos: 2.91%

Golgari: 3.13%

Legacy:

All decks: 1.7%