Thoughtseize

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Format Legality
Vintage Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Legacy Legal
Modern Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal

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Theros Rare
Lorwyn Rare

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Thoughtseize

Sorcery

Target player reveals his or her hand. You choose a nonland card from it. That player discards that card. You lose 2 life.

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Thoughtseize Discussion

mahdik on Stomping the ground

2 hours ago

xyr0s I think we didn't understand each other well. My point is that winning is not by nature the goal every player have in mind. What I meant is that definition of words or concept are a mirror of human interaction, words have the meaning we give them. Winning has definitely a definition, a game-related definition, but it also have a human-related definition, which are not necessarily equivalent. What my stance was is that whether or not you want to win, you must define it's definition within yourself, and then play alike. If you follow me, if you wanted to win game-wise, in a competitive environment, play another deck, stompy is good but there's better, but if you want to win flavor-wise, or within your own definition of the concept of winning, play whatever you like, which englobe the deck and a thousand other casual ones.

In the same way, the deck is how you define it as much as how people defines it around you, names have no universal meaning and can (and will) change within a population and time. It's not more of an aggro deck for everyone as a midrange deck for you. I know it's meta and not really important, but nonetheless, it's true. Even if I must admit that yes, it's quite frankly a aggro deck, no need to be Einstein to understand that, my point is that there is no need to fall into a obscurantism of opinions, in which strange place only one matters: there is no "real" way to play the deck, nor "real" way to win. You can't assume the intention of players by the fact they play magic, it's not because they wrote "competitive" on top of the page that they are playing to win, as strangely as it may sound.

How many time have I seen people play douchebag decks only to make people suffer, not even to win. They feel good even if they lose at the end. It happens especially in commander, and they call their decks competitive.

Anyway, Wilt-Leaf Liege is against discard, yes. Loxodon Smiter is another good exemple of great answer against discard. With Death's Shadow decks all around and our ability to play everything we have in our hand super fast, discarding it to a surprise Thoughtseize (having no other target) or a late game Liliana of the Veil is great way to punish them. I prefer them in sideboard tho, unless your meta is full of discard.

Groundbreaker as a one of, in the situation you've shown, is quite funny and interesting I must admit. keeping them from playing their removal is interesting, good interaction. It could surprise a lot of players game 1, and keep them on the edge game 2. You can even side it out and the opponent won't even know it, no one will ever Surgical Extraction you so they won't search your library. I'd say go for it, I agree. I personally prefer consistency over surprise win (in which case I feel like playing against my own deck), but it's a matter of taste/meta :)

reivaxo on Where did your hand all go?

2 days ago

Ok nevermind, The Rack works just too well, but I wouldn't say that much for Thoughtseize, I explained why in the description.

GeminiSpartanX on Which deck to use in ...

2 days ago

ToolmasterOfBrainerd- I've noticed that many grixis shadow decks are skimping on the black discard. I've been seeing more lists go down to just the set of Thoughtseizes while omitting IoK's in favor of more removal/counters/etc. I've found BW Tokens to be really good against shadow, which is why I'm considering it, but it does fail against any version of Tron and some faster aggro/combo decks. It's main benefit is the traditional black/white control scheme- Push, Path, + 7 MD discard spells and good white SB cards. Ponza is good in any matchup where Blood Moon is good, but doesn't have much consistency if disrupted. I'm also hesitant to run old-school Company since grave hate seems to be on the rise again, although I know that the deck is perfectly capable of winning without the combo.

rothgar13- I'll put another vote for burn!

tclaw12 on BladeMasta220

2 days ago

sorry, the Thoughtseizes are gone, I forgot to take them off my binder :P

cadet500 on G/B Infect

3 days ago

You might be better off running blue and black. Phyrexian Crusader is too slow for modern infect decks, but I have seen Sultai infect that splashes blue and black only for Blighted Agent and Plague Stinger as well as Thoughtseize (or in this case, Inquisition of Kozilek) usually in the sideboard. I'd recommend looking up Ari Lax's infect deck from Pro Tour Return to Ravnica.

2austin5 on Hour of Devastation Spoilers

3 days ago

Is anyone else loving the invo Thoughtseize as much as I am right now?

Enral on Marit Lage Turn one win!

3 days ago

Thoughtseize or Cabal Therapy to protect your combo? A fow or daze on your dark ritual can be back breaking.

Wahrghoul84 on Mardu Hatebears

3 days ago

I like the attempt. While I think a mardu combination is possible and when the right list is found, extremely powerful, I don't think your there yet. If you are playing this list I would be very curious to learn what results it has been achieving. W/r Hatebears is a known quantity, and W/b Hatebears (or Eldrazi Taxes as it is more commonly known) is a well established deck. I have played both decks and while I like W/b better I have always wished I could splash red into it for a few of the things W/r has that W/b doesn't. I have tinkered a bit but never developed anything I thought was going work well. As for suggestions, I would make yourself very familiar to both of the lists I mentioned if your not already. They are good starting points to draw from. Also, Hatebears decks shouldn't run fetches. Leonin Arbiter is a symmetrical effect and you don't want to pin yourself under it. Also these style of decks tend to play much less non-creature spells due to Thalia, Guardian of Thraben being symmetrical as well. Look for creatures with "enter the battlefield" effects that do the same or similar things. One choice to consider would be Tidehollow Sculler over Thoughtseize. Paired with cards like Wasteland Strangler it is very powerful cuz you get the same effect as thoughtseize without the life loss and a body to go with it. The strangler throws the taken card in their graveyard so they can't get it back if sculler dies and kills a creature for doing it. It's awesome!

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