Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
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Mikokoro, Center of the Sea Discussion
5 days ago
Hi, took a look at the deck and I think I see a few swaps:
Some cards to consider adding:
+Bojuka Bog Likely someone in your meta has a graveyard based deck, and this is a very low cost way to greatly damage them. Especially since you will be fueling them with all your discard. For that matter, adding Nihil Spellbomb or Relic of Progenitus could be wise too.
And a few things that might not be pulling their weight here:
-Otherworld Atlas This seems just too slow. Charging it once makes a Temple Bell that etb tapped and costs 4. Charging twice is a really slow Font of Mythos. Charging three times is...three turns of nothing. If there were a heavy proliferation theme, then maybe.
-Laboratory Maniac Are you decking yourself before opponents are dying? If you've gone through 99 cards, or even 80, the opponents should be at -40 life or less. They'll also be damaging each other too. In the unlikely event someone maintains positive life, you'll probably deck them before yourself anyway if they played any of their own card draw. If you still worry about it, Time Reversal and Day's Undoing can replace two of your other wheel effects.
-Omniscience This just isn't the deck for this card. Yes all your Howling Mines can refill you each turn, but pretty much nothing in your deck is card advantage, so you can't drop this and storm through your library or anything like that. At the point you hit 10 mana you can pretty much cast 3 spells + play a land each turn anyway, so Omniscience only has value after you have ten mana, and if you draw more than 1+(mana available/averageCMC) cards per turn. At every other time (so way too often) it's dead.
-Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker Sure he's powerful in a generic way, but he doesn't synergize with the deck, and I think he's next on the chopping block because of his cost.
-Magus of the Jar Having summoning sickness and costing five makes this questionable to me.
-Leyline of Anticipation Another generically powerful card, but you know what else is generically powerful? Signets.
1 week ago
MrKrabs: Sorry about the delayed response, it has been a really busy week.
I can still win with Altar of Dementia through reshuffle effects by using Mikokoro, Center of the Sea in response to the shuffle. Though the statement was more with regards to if Blasting Station was exiled. Thgough you are right, there are many ways to dig for Blasting Station with Altar of Dementia.
On the topic of Boonweaver Giant - I know that the card is pulled from anywhere. But this is my point, all of the focus is on the fact that with either Pattern or Boonweaver and a sac outlet you win. But the hardest part of that is not getting Boonweaver, it's the sac outlet. And outside of that, boonweaver giant is a 7 mana creature that adds very little to the deck. Even Reveillark does something outside of combo. however Boonweaver is more expensive to cast than any card in the deck but only fills a niche role.
As for Pattern of Rebirth, there are a few things at play here. The first is that my preferred playsstyle is combo control. Whiule creatures aren't as big a thing, I prefer to fly under the radar until my combo turn. And I almost never run out an Altar until I'm ready to win on the spot. And Pattern flies in the face of that. Inside of combo, it's not a problem. However if I need to tutor up utility, I want to a) have mana open as long as possible to give me options and b) Not give away what I'm doing or draw attention to it until the last second.
The other issue I have with Pattern is that you need a creature out and then 4 mana to cast it. And while I'm not sure what your meta is like, mine is quite removal heavy. So for 1 mana (via a Swords to Plowshares), I can have my entire play shut down. Plus with Eladamri's Call, I can do it as early as turn 2 without any boardstate requirements.
I do like Sylvan Tutor. I'm not sure if I'd run it in this list, however I did put togehter a slightly more combo focused list here which I am running it in (full disclosure that I haven't built/play tested the other deck in real life). If you prefer instant speed choices, there's always Congregation at Dawn which is more suited towards finding combo pieces. It just depends on the context. I don't mind it in your list as you're running a lot more stax so I think you can take your time a bit more.
I'm not sure if you've had this list posted in the past - the name sounds familiar though (I've looked through a lot of Saffi decks over the years to see what other people do with theirs). I'd be happy to have a look at your deck and leave some comments - the two themes are definitely very different but it's good see something from a different perspective.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Hi! I really like your deck and I've got some ideas for you to consider. It seems you are not on a tight budget so I'll recommend some more expensive cards too.
Mind's Eye if you happen to have good mana acceleration, since the card itself costs 5 mana and requires mana to use.
If your meta has a lot of token and/or creature based decks, Farsight Mask can be a pretty solid card draw engine.
Tutoring lands such as Nykthos can be priceless so Weathered Wayfarer helps in doing that.
I also spotted that you are "missing" some wrath-effects, have you considered Austere Command.
And last but not least, since your commander costs 8 mana, it'll probably be a huge set back if she died, so using Command Beacon sort of reduces her casting cost, since you'll be able to cast her for 8, instead of 10 or 12.
1 month ago
Okay, so I do realize you ask for possible cuts, but I've honestly got too many things to list option-wise to say where a cut could/should be made. Some examples of options you may have missed:
Weird Harvest, Mana Flare, Dictate of Karametra, Howling Mine, Heartwood Storyteller, Shizuko, Caller of Autumn, Skullwinder, Horn of Greed, Helm of Awakening, Spectral Searchlight, Primal Vigor, Seed the Land, Bubble Matrix, Flux, Beacon of Immortality, Dawnbreak Reclaimer, Liege of the Hollows, Ghosts of the Innocent, Pulsemage Advocate, Orzhov Advokist, Wishmonger, Tangleroot. Storm Cauldron, Grove of the Burnwillows, Mikokoro, Center of the Sea, Geier Reach Sanitarium, Arbiter of Knollridge, Dakra Mystic, Concordant Crossroads, and
(my last two to mention that I cannot believe YOU don't even mention them how could you possibly have missed these and I'm metaphorically running out of air here)
whew. Okay, firstly I do not do "tldr" summaries, so I'm afraid you'll have to sift through the above the slow way (which that isn' even an exhaustive list btw).
Secondly, to help you sift through the above I would ask is there a specific manner in which you are wanting to help people? Do you like seeing certain gameplans win or hate others? By example is that I can see some cards like Hive Mind being too helpful possibly towards "storm" decks, but if you're playing a catch-all type of group hug then that's no big deal.
Another idea is are you into fringe group hug effects? By which I mean playing Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth just to help everyone mana fix that uses black. Or even playing Ink-Treader Nephilim in tandem with say Tempt with Reflections to give everybody an extra copy of literally every creature on their board and them some. Heck, if you ran Rite of Replication you could let everyone have EVERY creature on the board. The nephilim isn't directly a group hug card here but it has the potential to hug. Kinda like Guided Passage no?
Just some food for thought. ;D
1 month ago
On the whole (and especially as a budget build) the deck looks really good. As for individual card choices:
Selesnya sanctuary is not great, as it slows down your turn two play. Turn two is a vet important turn as a decent chunk of your ramp (as well as your commander) are turn two plays. Tectonic Edge is a good card as it give you a bit of land and isn't too expensive to buy. I would recommend switching them.
Rampant growth is good, however if you can a Nature's Lore, do that.
Kami of false hope is a bit overkill given you have Spore Frog who is the better option as well as a bunch of ways to tutor for him.
Reclaim is ok, but Noxious Revival is so much better. It's a bit expensive for an uncommon but it's basically free and doubles as temporary graveyard hate.
I'm not a fan of persist combos in the deck. They don't work with Saffi or any other recursion combo and without access to Murderous Redcap they don't generate a win condition without Blasting Station or Altar of Dementia anyway. Plus you're hinging everything on Cathars' Crusade with redundancy on it. But adding redundancy means having potentially "dead" card in your deck.
While having additional combo in your deck is nice, the fact that they have no iteraction with your primary combo is not good and in my opinion at least, a waste of card slots. This also means that cards like Fanatical Devotion are completely useless (whooo, you can infintiely regenrate creatures, yay...).
What I did with my deck was to cut a lot of the non-core combo pieces (both creature and otherwise) and just focus on the core combo package as there is an awesome amount of interaction between the recursion pieces. Then I used all the additional card slots I had freed up to add creature tutor and raw card advantage. This in turn helps the deck find its combo pieces better.
That's why I run cards like Eidolon of Blossoms (which is a lot better than a lot of people think), Nissa, Sage Animist Flip, Stoneforge Mystic etc, as well as lands like Mikokoro, Center of the Sea, Horizon Canopy, Inventors' Fair (which you should seriously get a copy of) etc. But I appreciate that a lot of those cards are quite expensive to buy.
On that same note, I don't like Mirror Entity. It's quite complicated to get a combo with it working and while it's cute as a beatstick, you're not running Avenger of Zendikar alongside it so it loses a lot of its potency.
Anyway, I hope this has given you some iedas and insights, but feel fre to hit me up if you have more questions.
1 month ago
Might I reccomend Knight of the Reliquary to you as well as a small package for it? She has so much utility in my own The Giant Hippie in the Sky deck. Things I'd reccomend to go with a Knight of the Reliquary package are:
Maze of Ith to keep your shields up.
Mirrorpool has a ton of utility and can clone some pretty ridiculous things.
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea gives you political sway and can help you refuel when you need to.
Thespian's Stage can clone any land, I've gotten a second Maze of Ith many a time off of it.
Glacial Chasm is a good 'in case of emergency' card for when the Saskia Infect player locks their jaw around your ankle.
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx can be win moar, but I've also had it be 'win just enough'.
Gavony Township provides a great anthem effect.
While we're at it, Deserted Temple lets you reuse all your utility lands! What's better than a Maze of Ith? Two. What's better than two? Two, but you can use one of them twice. It's also a real easy way to make more mana than you know what to do with with Nykthos.
And my last reccomendations are the hideaway lands in your colours, they provide real nice surprises should you meet their conditions, which shouldn't be too hard.
If you want more ways to get to your Reliquary Package, I'd suggest Sylvan Scrying and Ulvenwald Hydra can also get you to the lands you need right when you need them. If you're worried about losing said utility lands, then Crucible of Worlds is a way to get them back, but I don't run it because I'm not filthy rich. Also, Cruxible let's you get back the lands you sacced to Knight of the Reliquary or Glacial Chasm! Or you can even sac Glacial Chasm to its Cumulative Upkeep then replay it in a pinch if you ever need it for too long.
This has gotten a bit rambly, so I'll cut it off here. TL;DR: Knight of the Reliquary is waifu 4 laifu and I'd reccomend running a package for her to death.
1 month ago
After the first few weeks of playtesting I have found this deck fun, but subject to very slow starts. Currently contemplating cutting perhaps 8 cards in this current version for a suite of mana rocks and accelerants? Would love any and all input on this!