: Add to your mana pool.
: Each player gains control of all creatures he or she owns.
|Have (2)||pskinn01 ,|
|Want (4)||EIV , Ralion , Kongtwenty12 , AndrewsLuz|
Printings View all
|Commander 2016 (C16)||Rare|
|Commander 2013 (C13)||Rare|
|MTG: Commander (CMD)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Rare|
Combos Browse all
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Homeward Path occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.08%
Homeward Path Discussion
3 days ago
Mono Red? Check
I love it. Here's some ideas.
Draw: Tome of Legends will be great in here. Maybe add Manifold Key for double untap/unblockable synergy. Endless Atlas, Ignite the Future, Humble Defector(use Homeward Path with it), Light Up the Stage are all cheap draw that I love in red. Prophetic Flamespeaker, Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion, Knollspine Dragon, Tectonic Giant and Grenzo, Havoc Raiser all provide card advantage and/or push the aggro theme.
Ramp: Let's think about this for a minute. I think instead of turn 3 brother #1, turn 4 brother #2, we should try to get both brothers out turn 4 (with 4 land drops). That way we don't waste their haste or leave one brother out alone to get removed/wiped. For that, focus on cards that will get both broths out turn 4: Sol Ring, Generator Servant, Dockside Extortionist, Worn Powerstone, Coalition Relic, Seething Song, Ruby Medallion, Myriad Landscape + any 2cmc mana rock, Cloud Key, Hazoret's Monument, and Herald's Horn all allow you to get both Brother's swinging turn 4.
Helm of the host is a good idea. One combat and they're all 6/5s. Trample will be important then, so yeah Archetype of Aggression seems great. Blackblade Reforged will be consistently good.
Themes to consider:
- Historic matters cards
- Legendary Matters cards
- Aggro/go wide
This is a cool idea, I will be back later! Get a decklist up TypicalTimmy, I already want to upvote it!
1 week ago
Wicker, I feel like Homeward Path was in this deck at some point - in the case when i'm facing a Willbreaker or another Sliver Overlord. Permanent stealing is definitely part of my meta, but I haven't had much issue finding ways to mitigate that effect - typically I'll just have Crystalline Sliver or Hibernation Sliver on the field and be satisfied.
2 weeks ago
AlwaysSleepy If you can't understand why I would point out when a 0 decks 1 post account logs in after two years to call me a fucktard, then there isn't much more to discuss on that point.
As far as whether or not you suck, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I enjoy it when people with less or more experience post, as long as its discussing cards or linking new ones.
As far as building Urza midrange versus artifact focused, yes I understand why the choices are made. This just keeps coming back to some basic facts though. The commander makes mana from artifacts, and then uses lots of mana to get free spells. Running 12 counterspells is going to mess with Urza activations. In a vacuum, a counterspell is going to be better than a trinisphere, but do you know what card the deck always has access to, every single game, from turn 1? Urza! What does Urza do? Give mana from artifacts, and use mana to get free spells. Do you know what free spells are unfortunate to get from Urza activations? Counterspells!
To respond to your card comments
Legacy's Allure - I'm glad we are in agreement that this card should go.
Homeward Path - This card is very common as tech in Selvala and Yisan decks. Gilded Drake is a very popular card that can go into most competitive decks with blue as a piece of removal. Both Yisan and Selvala are extremely commander dependent while being mono colored, with the Crop Rotation already there in many builds. Just because the card is not run in the Shaper list does not mean the card does not see play, it is tech that shows up. Since the card makes those decks cry big fat tears when it is resolved, it goes in. Which brings us to
Pithing Needle and friends. There are enough of these effects and they are so rancid for this deck that you must be aware of them when you build. It is simply asinine to ignore how dire this card resolving is for this deck. The bigger problem with these types of cards is that this deck runs so little removal and places all emphasis on counterspells. As far as Needle appearing or not, just because it doesn't show up in a big name brewer list doesn't mean the card isn't played. I have seen many competitive commander decks slot this card. It is a strong hate card against many commanders, the card that everyone always has access to (if they run Homeward Path lol). This list crumples to turn 1 Pithing Needle and it serves as proof of what the card can do. 1 mana and 1 card to lock out a player from winning is significantly better than a counterspell. The card is mana denial against uncracked fetches (they can't crack in response to the naming), it hoses entire commanders, its great against the random planeswalkers that show up, its amazing against the random Animatou deck that showed up, it shuts off so many infinite combos and is such a strong answer that can go in any deck. P.S. it could even go into an Urza build
Aether Spellbomb - My thoughts exactly. Goes in for Allure
Recurring Insight - I can believe that anyone who has resolved it has won. There are caveats to that statement though. You're giving up big opportunity cost as you could have another card in that slot doing something else before 6 mana. It is also hard to protect it resolving, because it costs 6 mana. Let me use an analogy to make one last point. Just because I won by tutoring from Diabolic Tutor does not mean that Demonic Tutor is the same. You can run sub-optimal cards that lead to winning, that category would most likely encompass 99+% of decks made.
Mishra's Workshop - This card once again used to show flaws in deckbuilding. The commander focuses on artifacts. This deck doesn't have an artifact density high enough to run Workshop and put it to use. It runs 19 artifacts. This card and the commander make big mana for or from artifacts. After the lands, there are 68 slots. 19 are artifacts. This is another overall design flaw rather than weakness between the card and the commander.
Howling Mine - I agree that this card has risk associated with playing it. This is why timing is crucial. If played when Urza is on the board, you are able to advance meaningfully with an extra and card every turn for and 1 card. Howling Mine isn't great in a vacuum, but once again it goes really well with that one card we always have access to. Even if later Urza is removed, we got advantage from it first and we got it earlier. Giving all your opponents 1 extra card (so 3 total) on turn 5 is negated by getting an extra card for yourself on turn 3 and 4. Getting access to the cards earlier for us is worthwhile even if on a later turn our opponents are collectively getting 3 cards to our 3 cards. Timing is just required to make this card effective. I find it hilarious that this list realizes the benefit in running Winter Orb and Static Orb but glances over the same synergy with Howling Mine. Do you see how those cards also hurt you without your commander?
Trinisphere - Its totally not cut, just not in the list. The authors can put flowery words next to it but this card should be an auto include. Not having it here makes me question why.
Ensnaring Bridge - Not the best possible include but worth a consider if the deck is more artifact centric. Can hose down Tymna and also some win cons. Urza plays well with a small hand and a fatty board.
As far as "You're just going to get flashed on" I'm not advocating for eliminating counterspells completely. It could easily go down to 8 and you will still see counters in your opener. The forgiving mulligan rules of multiplayer with the added new London Mulligan makes it easy to go back for one if you see yourself sitting across from TnT.
Expedition Map - Leads to Tabernacle and leads to Inventor's Fair. You can use to go to Academy Ruins to plop back on top to continue to toolbox lands. Its a tutor in a relevant type that can become an engine in games where you have more space. In more artifact centric builds you can extend more into non-basic lands as fetch targets, because you will need less blue for counterspells and 6 mana draw spells and Legacy's Allure.
Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth is a usable combo in certain contexts. Gonna keep going back to this idea that we always have Urza in the command zone as being important to the development of the deck. Urza gives us A LOT OF MANA. Rings has a great effect, but needs A LOT OF MANA. See where I'm going here? When we get Rings activations onto fetches, we are double thinning and ramping ourselves, but we're also priming the deck for BETTER URZA ACTIVATIONS. You also get infinite mana loops with Codex Shredder and any card that goes to GY like a spell. Basalt is definitely a downgrade from Grim, but Rings is such an upgrade from Power Artifact for usefulness outside combo and mana isn't as much of an issue in Urza so I think its worthwhile.
As far as the rest of what you wrote, yeah nice dude this is a $4000 durdle list and you are out here defending it. These brewers are so isolated in their own meta they make absurd card choices and overall deckbuilding decisions. Yeah this list is trash dude, and my comments about people being sheep are funnier with every reply. Why are you out here schilling for this list? Idol worship or idle time?
2 weeks ago
alright well sure why not ill take a stab but i suck at magic and also didnt make this list so if that discounts me you can stop reading now, though since it appears to matter, yes this is my main account
General comment about the state of the format, and how it's changed a lot since Oracle. Urza isn't a considerably quick deck, the nature of mono blue limits its options speedwise, and while the card quality blue has is on average, very high, mono blue normally is not as consistently fast as decks with black - though with certain draws it can be.
This puts Urza in a weird spot deck building wise. Urza wants to play to the board and develop its mana and board state. But Urza is ultimately a value card overall, which is even reflected outside of EDH as most Urza decks across formats are some mixture of midrange with a combo finish. Does not mean EDH must do the same but such a strategy has legs.
Okay so now EDH context. Urza isn't the fastest deck at the table. Especially with Oracle Hulk being the strongest deck now - this puts stress on Urza to hold up interaction consistently as opposed to develop mana for a few turns and attempt to combo.
Some of the artifacts can do both, some cannot. My point is that just vomiting artifacts and goldfishing a few turns doesn't work in EDH unless you are the Flash deck. Urza has to accommodate that. Thus, a midrage plan is explored.
Okay specific cards:
Legacy's Allure - I've not been big on it. Also it looks weaker now cause like, it's not as playable any more. It was Hulk tech cause it worked vs. older Hulk piles. It's not effective any more into Hulk, and is a very reasonable cut.
Homeward Path effects - I'll be honest I've never seen this played in a cEDH deck. The effect is so narrow for a poor manabase addition. It's severe deckbuilding cost to run this single card for what is, 1 or 2 effects max across a format. Anyone running this for just Drake is probably focusing on too small a margin.
Pithing Needle effects - Similar, I don't think it's necessary to skew a deck so harshly for a single card. Needle is rare, Revoker is more common. Totem would be the real issue to worry about. It's completely fine to tech more against it if you see it. But teching or skewing for specific effects not commonly played isn't a good idea.
Aether Spellbomb - Sure, I like it too. I see it in place of Allure with Oracle Hulk.
Recurring Insight - I don't think anyone who resolved this card has lost. It's a win-con itself. If you want to write this argument off, I don't think I can say much more.
Mishra's Workshop - Most EDH decks don't run enough artifacts for this. By the time you are your card quality is lower than it could be. I cannot say I've seen any EDH deck run an adequate density for this to not be a random ritual and then it's done. You need to skew heavily into artifact permanents, but then, see the original Urza gameplan argument.
Howling Mine - This card is actually dangerous if Urza is removed. Not a fan.
Trinisphere - It's amazing. In fact, it's so good, the authors literally said it's really good and you can run it. It's not cut.
Ensnaring Bridge - Mono blue is not a terribly inspiring Bridge deck considering there are so many good blue cards to run. But yes, it's playable in Urza.
Spinning Urza is strong, but arguing that counterspells make it miss and that card draw isn't good with it isn't understanding where Urza stands as a deck in the format. You probably aren't going to be able to sit and spin the wheel much in the current EDH climate. Or at least, not without getting Flashed on.
Expedition Map - It's fine. Not winning awards for speed, but it's an extra copy of a land.
Basalt + Rings has not been playable in cEDH for a very long time, and Urza doesn't change that. There is not an excuse to play poor quality cards for a moderate upside.
Urza isn't an artifact goldfish deck in EDH - or at least in the max power environment, it just can't afford to be any more. That's what many of these card choices have as context. If you have some different opinions sure. Doesn't make the entire list trash.
I find your aggressive comments on calling everyone stupid followers comical lmao. Like, come on that rhetoric is unnecessary. If you want to make a point, it should stand on its own by its actual soundness. Don't need to shit on literally everyone and then tell people to suck it up and put on "big boy pants" and give you a pass to engage in needlessly aggressive discourse.
but whatever i suck at mtg. its my real account tho, i used it like 2 days ago
2 weeks ago
We like your deck! How do you feel about adding Royal Assassin? He's a great deterrent and you can get him back with Shizo's Caretaker in case he dies. Also, we would recommend adding a Homeward Path to your deck, just in case an opponent manages to steal your commander (since the deck is pretty dependent on him being there).
Mrs. and Mr. NV_1980
3 weeks ago
Liliana of the Dark Realms is really not worth the slot in a deck with only seven basic Swamps. You'd be better off with something that actually ramps you, like Kor Cartographer, or something that can fetch nonbasics, like Expedition Map.
In general, I think the land count should be higher anyway so that your Dakkon has a better chance of getting bigger than 6/6 or 7/7 (which isn't that impressive on an otherwise vanilla creature). Korlash, Heir to Blackblade is mediocre in Commander and terrible in this deck due to your relatively low Swamp count. I'd cut it and some of your lower-impact land fetchers (e.g., Traveler's Amulet) for more lands, perhaps utility lands like Vault of the Archangel and Homeward Path or multicolored lands like the scry lands from Theros block.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
thanks a lot for the long post, man!
I understand your idea behind not wanting any infinite combos, or the use of fast(er) mana. However, since you are already running Vilis, I think running Krrik or Bolas's Citadel could be a cool synergy (it is amazing when you have two of those at the same time, lol) but yes, your life total can get pretty low pretty fast.
Oh, wow, I always dismissed the pump ability on Nirkana Revenant but with the huge amount of mana generated with this deck I see how can it be deadly, lol.
The other day I won a game by casting a Damnation -> Phage -> Cabal Conditioning and just attacking one opponent each turn, it felt great.
Oh, one other thing; have you considered running Homeward Path? I think it works with Endless Whispers where, when you give Phage to someone, with the trigget on the stack, you homeward path your phage so you can attack with her later on (or sac her or whatever).
Anyway, thanks again.