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Enlightened Tutor Discussion
23 hours ago
I've always liked Oloro, Ageless Ascetic -- he was my first general.
I've always thought Path to Exile is way overrated in EDH. Swords to Plowshares , which I see you've included, is better mainly because it doesn't ramp your opponents. In a format filled with people routinely doing mana-intensive things, I think you'll be better off running something like Ashes to Ashes .
Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm are three REALLY good cards. Like Xerox decks in Vintage, in EDH it is advantageous to replace a part of your mana-base with cantrips. This allows you to dig for lands if you need them, and spells if you don't. Running these three, along with similar cheap card-draw, will allow you to run around thirty-two or so lands. Brainstorm goes from good to great if you have a high number of shuffle effects, from things like the Polluted Delta you're running. Similarly, Sleight of Hand or Serum Visions are good; they should be run only if you're already running the first three and still need more cantrips.
Similar to cantrips, card-positive draw-spells (i.e. Spells that draw more than one card) are also real good. Painful Truths , Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Night's Whisper , Echo of Eons and Windfall are great includes. Windfall and Echo of Eons are especially powerful if you also run Narset, Parter of Veils .
I highly suggest replacing your three-mana rocks with two-mana rocks. Chromatic Lantern , Pristine Talisman and Commander's Sphere are not as good as Talisman of Progress , Talisman of Hierarchy and Talisman of Dominance . Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone and Thought Vessel are also good two-mana rocks; Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond are good, though wildly expensive.
Ashiok, Dream Render is excellent if your format has a lot of fetch lands; it also hoses graveyard decks.
Ancient Tomb is a better Temple of the False God -- if you have access to it, you should run it. 'Enter the battlefield tapped' can be pretty not-good; while cards like Dimir Aqueduct are card advantage in that they produce more mana from the same number of lands, they aren't as good as a standard dual (at least in my opinion). Silent Clearing , City of Brass and Mana Confluence are all better than the Karoo lands. Caves of Koilos , Adarkar Wastes , Underground River , Reflecting Pool , Forbidden Orchard and Exotic Orchard are similar.
I don't think Felidar Sovereign is very good. Typically you cast it during your main phase, and it has to last an entire turn cycle with your life total above 40 (or 38, in Oloro, if you stack your triggers right) before it will win the game. During this time, all of your opponents will be doing all they can to remove it. I think it may be easier to win with a Laboratory Maniac / Jace, Wielder of Mysteries + Demonic Consultation / Doomsday combo. Running Silence can help protect this combo.
Force of Will and Mana Drain are the gold standard in counters, though they'll cost you about the same as a used kidney. Dovin's Veto , Spell Snare , Dispel and Swan Song are all good considerations; if your meta is filled with fat creatures, Exclude can be good, too.
I think you can run either Ghostly Prison or Propaganda -- I don't think both are necessary, especially since you're running Enlightened Tutor already. I advise running Ghostly Prison over Propaganda , as it doesn't die to Pyroblast / Red Elemental Blast .
Since it seems Aetherflux Reservoir is your main win condition, you may want to consider running Fabricate and Whir of Invention as tutors. If you want to go real deep, Transmute Artifact is a good card (though, also, REALLY expensive).
Alright -- I gotta go to bed. Good luck with the deck building!
2 days ago
certain cards you may really like for the +1 +1 counter strategy: Spike Weaver it gives you the ability to repeat fogs over and over against people who like to swing. Archangel of Thune + Spike Feeder give you the ability to go hecka tall hecka quick and make your dudes as big as you want em. Plaxcaster Frogling gives you the ability to protect your boys with counters on them for hecka cheap.
More two mana rocks would be better in your deck then some of the others you chose. look up the full set of talisman cards and throw in some more signets. they recently just completed the cycle of all 10 talisman and those are just nice and cheap ways to assure you get mana faster. the first three turns of a non cEDH game tend to be all set up. having stuff to do on the first few turns is pretty sweet. also throw in Coalition Relic over Darksteel Ingot . you lose out on the indestructible, but gain so much more mana out of it because of atraxa
because you can be a bit more of a combo deck that a guarantee you the people you play with don't expect, you wanna have more tutors in the deck. now you COULD run counterspells, or hear me out, you could run more tutors. stuff like Eladamri's Call , Demonic Tutor , Vampiric Tutor , Enlightened Tutor , Worldly Tutor , Sylvan Tutor and of course instead of Diabolic Tutor try Mastermind's Acquisition . it's the same cost but also throws on a second mode for a wish so just in case people exile something you really could have wanted to use you can grab that bad boy back. also a better tamiyo to run is Tamiyo, Field Researcher .
3 days ago
In trying to balance your guild colors vs. need for cycling cards, you've ended up with a real glut of cards at 5 and 6 CMC and almost no 1 drops [your 1 CMC cyclers not matching the color of mana needed to cycle them might make your turn one a blank a little too often] I'm guessing you're planning on always cycling something turn 2 and usually 2 things on turn 4.
It feels like the deck will run a little slow without Fluctuator in play so maybe Enlightened Tutor and/or Vampiric Tutor [assuming budget or collection allows] could be the one drops you need to bring some added consistency. Though there are enough lands in the deck that don't cycle that I think even having it out won't let you just go off often enough to be as dangerous as you'd like the effect to be.
This concept is definitely a tricky balancing act and I'll be interested to hear how well it plays for you. I had a cycling deck back in the day and it was a lot of fun when it worked but crapped out a lot of the time.
4 days ago
There are a couple cards I would suggest. Some of them are a bit more pricey tho.
- Felidar Guardian
- Gilded Drake $$
- Gonti, Lord of Luxury
- Hostage Taker
- Perplexing Chimera
- Ravenous Chupacabra
- Reflector Mage
- Sun Titan
- Torrential Gearhulk
- Venser, Shaper Savant
- Leonin Relic-Warder
- Glen Elendra Archmage
- Anguished Unmaking
- Generous Gift
- Path to Exile
- Swords to Plowshares
- Rapid Hybridization
- Reality Shift
- Swan Song
- Mystical Tutor
- Enlightened Tutor $
- Vampiric Tutor $$
- Eerie Interlude
- Animate Dead
- Dance of the Dead
- Imprisoned in the Moon
- Oath of Teferi
- Mystic Remora
- Rhystic Study $
- Smothering Tithe
- Ghostly Prison
- Fellwar Stone
- Mind Stone
- Thought Vessel
- Talisman of Dominance
- Talisman of Progress
- Talisman of Hierarchy
- Mana Vault $
- Sensei's Divining Top $
I hope these suggestions are of some help to you. Many of the cards are simply upgrades of the weaker removal/ramp/draw cards contained in the precon.
If you want to make the deck more competitive, cards like The Chain Veil or Felidar Guardian can outright win the game in combination with Altar of the Brood or Vela the Night-Clad .
1 week ago
You do what you can with what you have and plan for the future.
Massacre Wurm I tried out in my build, I found it didn't offer enough value for the slot it was taking as my meta doesn't play the most creature heavy builds. If your meta doesn't play heavy creature decks you'll probably find it under performs.
Razaketh, the Foulblooded you have to ask yourself and honestly, do you really need all that tutoring or would Demonic Tutor , Diabolic Intent , Vampiric Tutor and Enlightened Tutor be enough. He costs 8 mana, requires life and creature sacrifice. Do you have enough life gain and creature recursion to justify him?
My own opinion is not worth it at all.
Please do not take my suggestions for adds and removals as the end all. Your meta may vary greatly or not to much from my own.
All I will ever offer is the straight up truth as I see it. Nothing more, nothing less.
1 week ago
Hi man. Just a wonder, with The First Sliver what about Congregation at Dawn could tutor up 3 creatures to cascade just an idea. As for Paradox Engine ban, at least we can still use in one on one. I run Intruder Alarm anyway, so can Enlightened Tutor for this and cascade it out. Which seems fair lol. Also was thinking of just chucking Leyline of Anticipation in there as well.
1 week ago
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Before I begin, I might as well introduce a new OC Planeswalker of Mine: Tyris, Who Blazes Where She Walks.
As night fell, and the creatures of the Night thrived in such desire for flesh, somebody decided her duties as a member of the Boros Legion aren't yet finished much less satisfied. Her name is Tyris. But unlike even those like her, who showed high promise at an early age, Tyris rose the ranks rather quickly, so much so that Tajic even honored her cause as a member of a military-style Guild known as the Boros Legion. While Tyris' Parents were happily married, her father, a high ranking, & variously decorated soldier, was slaughtered during the War of the Spark; not by just any Eternal, He could handle them fine. It was the God-Eternals; Deceased Gods from the Plane of Amonkhet revived as Lazotep on a Divine level of power not even Aurelia could handle on her own. Even after the War concluded, Ugin forced an unsparked Nicol Bolas to his Meditation Realm, where Ugin watched over Bolas for the last of their days; No way for someone to get in. No way for someone to get out. Several Months passed after the fact, & even after Niv-Mizzet became the True Living Guildpact, the usual Ravnican madness continued to happen, just in time for Tyris to be conceived in a Universe-Sized City by a mere Widow. As Tyris became older, she was already more aware of the dangers than her Mother would even think. Domri Rade was killed before Tyris' Birth, but even after the War, & Ravnican Life having no choice but to accept Planeswalkers for what they are; Universe-Hopping Pranksters nobody wished to have on any Plane of Existence. To Tyris, it was perhaps, the most sorrowful nightmare ever; Civilian life demanding the Guilds to realize if they can unify in the War of the Spark , why not just have all 10 Guilds set their enemyship aside, & realize, such enemyship would be of a really great weapon in the first place?
Tyris thought about that for so long. She even investigated the House of Dimir for a while now; the very Guild the Boros League hated the most above all others. But even with Ilharg, the Raze-Boar now brought to Fruition, Tyris wondered to herself:
(Why did we make a Bond to those who are even worse than the House of Dimir? The Gruul Clans had a Leader that was never that mentally out of his head... , & we're allies to someone who are just Vulgar Savages, where even The House of Dimir is well focused, plenty resourceful, & are more cunning than us? Why...? The reason so many hate us is just that Aurelia enlists us just to be used as expendables...?)
Now having Second Thoughts, Tyris shook her head in regret; knowing that following in her Father's Footsteps she never knew even after she was born, whatever stories were told between a Mother+Daughter Relationship was a kind one, but she wishes never to speak ill of the only family she had at all; Loneliness. Tyris knew she is nothing but an orphan. Even her fellow troops seemed more so to be strangers, than a Stepfamily at all. Such a thought: (I know what is feels to be alone... & I've been this way my entire life.)
Tyris knew there were two things left she can lose: Herself, & an already ignited Planeswalker Spark. She decided to gamble w/ both. She then opened the doors to Aurelia 's Quarters. She seemed just as concerned for her Planeswalker Soldier; Tyris wasn't done with her duties, she still needed an audience to Aurelia herself. Aurelia , usually very serious upon her entire Guild, couldn't help but feel pity to Tyris, & as she saw it so, likewise for a Guildleader known for having a guild whose beliefs are considered Wrong & Unjust; even for the Boros League...
End of Part 1.
Alright enough FanFiction crap. Let's get to the topic in question; several in fact.
For those who haven't paid attention after all this; I decided to put Feather, the Redeemer in the deck. BUT, she won't be the commander. I wanted to use her as a Sunforger Package on legs (Even though that might not be the right term in this case.). Since Sunforger is not good in cEDH (I'm not giving up anytime soon. Please make your criticisms end as I'm planning to make a Community Deck for cEDH Boros Deck Users; submitting cards to what could be a literal Guide/Primer for this.
For Sorceries thus far:
Yes, it's that low, but the Instants are crazier:
For this, we can cut out the following kinds of cards:
- Tutors (How can you reuse Tutors?)
- Self-Exiling Cards (They're too powerful to reuse here.)
- Misc. (Basically your ideas for Wild Cards.)
Outside of these kinds of cards, I wonder if there are any that can target your own creatures. & no. I'm not using them for the sake of Ol' Pierakor az Vinrenn D'rav . I'm using them over & over because of Aforementioned Rest in Peace .
Which leaves us w/ a new dilemma: Paradox Engine finally got banned, but it at least gave us back a Potential threat to build upon: Painter's Servant . Forcing everyone to just one color is going to be crazy. But the question lies w/ another part of the question: Which Color to Work With? has Blood Moon , which makes all Non Basic Lands Mountain s, but Celestial Dawn makes your lands Plains . Which of these two to use? Or should I take a dare, & go for ? Jaya Ballard, Task Mage would love to say "GOTCHA!!!"
Also, for the sake of cEDH, I just want to know if there are any in the cEDH Community Post-Tier 3 Pierakor az Vinrenn D'rav . I mean, there has to be more than ever, right?
Also, what to cut? I'm starting to Doubt Eldrazi Displacer here. In addition; you would have to think like a cEDH Player; & for that matter, a cEDH Player that approves of Boros in this Subformat.
Now, if you don't mind, I've an account to Archidekt to make...
2 weeks ago
@ griffstick Compost + Servant. Every card that hits opponent's graveyards draws cards. Interesting. Wheel/Thief style decks could now run yet another piece that enables drawing a massive amount of cards from each wheel effect used. Both pieces are 2 cmc and can be found from a transmuted Muddle the Mixture or Enlightened Tutor . Veil of Summer and Autumn's Veil would have increased relevance in such a strategy, ditto for Mausoleum Secrets and Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed . Seems like an idea worth investigating to some degree.
Enlightened Tutor occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.17%
GW (Selesnya): 1.52%
WB (Orzhov): 0.64%
WU (Azorius): 1.78%
WUB (Esper): 1.06%
GWU (Bant): 1.2%
RBW (Mardu): 0.61%