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|War of the Spark (WAR)||Uncommon|
|Promo Set (000)||Uncommon|
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Counter target noncreature spell.
Dovin's Veto Discussion
6 days ago
Hi, long post. I'm looking to get a lot of trading done hopefully.
I'm putting together a Estrid, the Masked Oathbreaker deck. I need to trade for Estrid obviously, and I also need some specific cards to to complete the deck. Here's a list:
1x Estrid, the Masked 1x Breeding Pool 1x Estrid's Invocation 1x Gift of Paradise 1x Imprisoned in the Moon 1x Mystic Remora 1x Weirding Wood 1x Swan Song 1x Swords to Plowshares 1x Kiora's Follower 1x Bramble Sovereign 2x Stasis 1x Hokori, Dust Drinker 1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence 1x Chain of Vapor 1x Spellseeker AnyX Forge of Heroes
I also have some specific wants from recent sets that I would be interested in trading for:
1x Phyrexian Altar (EMA) 2x Generous Gift 1x Gamble 1x Sulfur Falls 1x Finale of Revelation 1x Evolution Sage 1x Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin 1x Karn's Bastion 1x Flux Channeler 1x Bolas's Citadel 1x Karn, the Great Creator 2x Runic Armasaur 1x Biomancer's Familiar 1x Dark-Dweller Oracle 1x Immolation Shaman 1x Rhythm of the Wild 1x Emmara, Soul of the Accord 1x Teysa Karlov 1x Ugin, the Ineffable 1x God-Eternal Oketra 1x Teferi, Time Raveler 1x Saheeli, Sublime Artificer 1x Tithe Taker 1x Light Up the Stage 1x Priest of Forgotten Gods 1x Beast Whisperer 1x Cruel Celebrant 2x Dovin's Veto 1x Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion 1x Primal Amulet Flip 1x Neheb, the Eternal 1x Deep Forest Hermit 17x Snow-Covered Mountain 1x Goblin Engineer 1x Yawgmoth, Thran Physician 1x Cabal Therapist 1x Mirrodin Besieged 1x Hall of Heliod's Generosity 1x Talisman of Hierarchy 1x Talisman of Creativity
And I was also thinking about making a Feather EDH deck, so I would be interested in trading for these cards as well:
I also have a bunch of commander staples in my binder wants. I'll obviously trade for them for the right offer, but if I haven't listed them here then they're not a priority for me right now.
You can find my Binder here: Link. It should be about 95% up to date. I recommend sorting by price, since there's a lot on there.
Here's a list of some of my notable haves that I'm looking to trade:
1x Leyline of the Void 1x Ensnaring Bridge (STH) 1x Sakashima the Impostor 1x The Chain Veil 1x Purphoros, God of the Forge 2x Vedalken Orrery 1x Scourge of the Throne 1x Life from the Loam 1x Tainted Pact 1x Nature's Will 1x Opalescence 1x Isochron Scepter 1x Master Transmuter 2x Sterling Grove 1x Karador, Ghost Chieftain 3x Nim Deathmantle 1x Lotus Bloom 4x Puresteel Paladin
...and others not mentioned.
Leave a comment or message me if you're interested :)
1 week ago
1 week ago
shelob144 Let's work on this together! Maybe the community of T/O will be the one to break the code. We only have about a million tap cards by now. It's high time we find a place for them.
When thinking about the deck, I typically tend to worry about its weaknesses, but there are a few strengths the deck has. I think it's more important to worry about why a deck like this can work at all rather than bemoan its often-ephemeral board control.
Tapping creatures down has the following benefits: - Prevents the opponent from attacking - Prevents the opponent from blocking - The spells are often cheap, with four mana being the maximum amount needed to spend to tap out your opponent's entire field - Synergy with a few select cards, most notably Verity Circle
I believe that tap-down control has access to one of the greatest draw mechanics in modern with Verity Circle in play. With it, a Sleep becomes mass draw + turbofog. In this way, we can play a game of attrition, keeping the opponent in a constant state of Exhaustion , while we work our way to our wincon.
... Which is where the problem begins to appear. Well, technically, problems begin to appear even before that. If the opponent has no creatures to tap, what's the point of having Verity Circle , or a tap-down playstyle at all? It's not like you can play creatures for the opponent.
Giving your opponent a creature might be bad for most archetypes, but our goal is to milk the hell out of 'em. With enough cheap draw and four copies of Verity Circle , the hope is that we'd be able to snag ourselves our draw engine. With a way to replenish our resources and keep those tap-down effects going, we don't need to worry about fighting the good fight empty-handed.
Now the problem becomes what to do with all this stall potential. Turbofog uses lots of cards like, well, Fog to stall to a mill victory, but we don't necessarily have to. Bant Turbofog can't attack because while the creatures have been temporarily rendered powerless, they can still block. We don't use fog to achieve our version of stall, we use tap effects, which render the opponent unable to block. To that end, we are capable of using creatues. Even small utility creatures like Snapcaster Mage and Vendilion Clique can become a threat if they go unchallenged.
To that end, we make use of blue's penchant for counterspell-control. Since we don't want to deny the few creatures the opponent might have from hitting the board (for reasons explained above), we can focus solely on noncreature spells. We found ourselves a really good one in our colors in Dovin's Veto . Of course, Negate is also a thing. In that way, victory becomes about hitting the opponent with small utility creatures, while tapping creature threats down and preventing noncreature threats from happening.
1 week ago
Do you think focusing on noncreature shut-down would be a good idea in the mainboard? Stuff like Dovin's Veto or Negate , for example. I want creatures to hit the board, so I can milk them for value, but I don't want stuff I can't actually tap making an impact to the flow of the game. Even the decks with the small amount of creatures do still use them, even if they're in the form of a Celestial Colonnade or two, and if the opponent has no blockers, it's a free swing for me every turn, possibly with the 6/6 Gideon Jura .
2 weeks ago
Thanks man! I definitely get your points, in fact I think my list is too low on the counter magic. I definitely think I should add in at least Dovin's Veto , maybe also Stoic Rebuttal and Countersquall like you have. Also Despark is a smart inclusion as well. The eternal problem is what to cut heh.
The Mirrodin Besieged card is pretty cool, but it might be too slow. On that note I noticed you are running Efficient Construction , I think cards that flicker offer more versatility but also fill a similar role producing tokens, thats why I would run Conjurer's Closet over it for instance. So my eyes are more on Soulherder to be honest since it also curves super nice into Breya, oh and also Etchings of the Chosen might be kinda cool as a thopter anthem that also protects her.
2 weeks ago
Really that just happens to be the land flex slot and I liked the art. Generally that slot should be occupied by a third basic of either Plains , Island , or Swamp , however locally I have noted a decline in Blood Moon (though with tron getting popular again this may change) and as a result I have been trying out various utility lands in that slot. Tomb of Urami is just the latest of these, basically, in theory it provides the deck with another way to win or buy a turn, something that is worth investigating with the prevalence of Surgical Extraction . That is in theory however. You have actually caught me in between updates as that slot is now occupied by a Tolaria West , with a Temple of Deceit cut in favor of Boseiju, Who Shelters All ; this change being in reaction to an uptick in UW Control and with it Dovin's Veto .
I wouldn't recommend Tomb of Urami though it foils well and the looks I get easily make it worth it despite the card not being great.
2 weeks ago
If you can get Nissa's ultimate effect, then play Sylvan Awakening having all your lands in the deck able to attack as 2/2 indestructible creatures could be a game winner. If you can do this behind Shalai, Voice of Plenty that should protect you from cards like Settle the Wreckage .
With this deck, I would tend to drop all the 'nice to have' high cmc cards like Nexus of Fate , Ignite the Beacon , Song of Freyalise , Wilderness Reclamation and Hydroid Krasis which can all be great from turn 10 onward, and try to focus on win-conditions that are possible from turn 4 or 5.
4 Dovin's Veto would probably be a good idea.
With the quality of green (and other) combinations available in RAW, you just can't afford to grind out a game that might win after a dozen turns. If you can really get these combo's running, Might of the Masses , Pelt Collector , Arboreal Grazer and a range of 1-drops are really strong.
You could always also focus on getting all your lands on the field, then pump 1 with something like Blanchwood Armor
3 weeks ago
hi stensiagamekeeper tks for the comment. I still thinking in the build, putting and removing card. I wanted to build somenthing with Dovin's Veto and Depose / Deploy around Saheeli, Sublime Artificer . Something with more control build. But today i remove all W cards but dont remove the W mana.
I still in doubt between Saheeli and Sai. Servo can be transformed into Powerstone Shard and helps to ramp. But still hard to find the right slots
Bast zone is in and i think to use Zhalfirin Void too
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