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Volrath's Stronghold Discussion
1 week ago
staroceansurfer, Thank you for your suggiestions! I didn't know Volrath's Stronghold was a card! I will try to get one! Teferi's Protection and Patriarch's Bidding are for sure good cards if I get them and find a place. Crystalline Sliver used to be in the deck but was removed due to having many cards to target my slivers and of course Amoeboid Changeling, Unnatural Selection, and Crib Swap. But maybe it can find a spot back into my deck! I'll try to. Thank you for looking at my deck and have a great day! :)
2 weeks ago
The Caves of Koilos are an important part of the history of Phyrexia, being the location of the portal that brought Yawgmoth to Old Phyrexia in the first place, setting in motion the beginning of the Great Work.
Planar Portal can be expensive to cast and to use, but it can be worth it. If you end up using it, I recommend the Invasion version, due to the flavor text.
Skeletonkey8 has the right idea with Rout. The new art shows Elesh Norn, and the old art shows Phyrexian forces overrunning Benalia, so either version works with your deck's flavor. Life's Finale is another Phyrexian boardwipe. And Damnation is ambiguous enough that it should fit.
Finally, don't forget that the plane of Rath, the Rathi Stronghold, and the Evincars were all part of the Phyrexian war plan. Guys like Volrath, Crovax, Greven, and Vhati all worked for the Phyrexians, so you can include cards featuring/mentioning all that. Of note are Volrath's Stronghold, Hatred (fun with both infect and a lifelink general), Endless Scream (also fun with infect), Reanimate, Vhati il-Dal (fun with -1/-1 counters), Tortured Existence, and the original printings of Reflecting Pool and Propaganda.
(Wow, this post ended up longer than I originally intended it to be.)
2 weeks ago
Yeah the deck is a solid idea but I would suggest Teferi's Protection , Crystalline Sliver, and some graveyard recursion like Volrath's Stronghold and Patriarch's Bidding. You are going in the right direction the deck just needs a little work.
3 weeks ago
Hey DarkSteelDemon, thanks for commenting on the page. You reminded me to actually keep this thing updated. So if a boardwipe even were to occur, I have both counterspells and Sliver Hivelord. Giving me a grand total of 7 individual cards that can help me out in that regard. Now, if a simple boardwipe were to go through, then I have 3 recursion options built in, specifically: Patriarch's Bidding, Yawgmoth's Will, and Volrath's Stronghold. BUT, what if someone were to play Merciless Eviction naming creatures? The only option in the deck is to not let it happen by using the counterspells in the deck. That would limit me to just 6 individual cards.
Now that Dominaria is out, what options do you think would be good for this deck?
1 month ago
Volrath's Stronghold is great, but I happened to own it already. Not sure if its all that necessary, but its good in the deck.
Link your version here once you assemble it I'm curious to see how it ends up.
1 month ago
Glad to see your a fan of the wonderous hive also k_drake. I also happen to have a Sliver Overlord deck of my own, although mine is still a lot cheaper. Keep in mind however that LVL_666 has also chosen to bling out this deck nearly entirely, and thus the price you see on here is much more than what it would could actually be with a non-foil, non-masterpiece/expedition version of the decklist.
The first and most obvious things to avoid would be the original duals, (i.e Underground Sea, Volcanic Island, Tropical Island etc...), next you make do without Mana Crypt, Cavern of Souls, Wheel of Fortune, Yawgmoth's Will, and Mana Drain which should bring the deck down by a huge margin.
There's is such a vast amount of lands to choose from that could be suitable early on, including: the vivid cycle (Vivid Crag, Vivid Grove), the tri-lands (Seaside Citadel, Savage Lands, Jungle Shrine, and so on), then there's ones I use to use like Transguild Promenade, Exotic Orchard, Forbidden Orchard, Rupture Spire, Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse, Ash Barrens (highly recommend), and the panorama cycle (Bant Panorama, Jund Panorama, Esper Panorama, etc).
You can then make use out of the signets, Golgari Signet, Izzet Signet, etc) and perhaps use most of the combinations (prioritize the ones that have green). Anyways I know I have told you a Lot of information to read and consider, and so let me give you a good visual of what a starting point could look like:
Commander / EDH
SCORE: 365 | 70 COMMENTS | 120873 VIEWS | IN 401 FOLDERS
This deck by the Professor I do recommend you consider as a base, and from there start as I have done, which was slowly acquire all the slivers (and imo minus the queen, and legion at least at first), I actually was quite fortunate to receive most of the slivers needed for my list from a friend who had their very own Sliver Overlord deck and he sold/traded me eventually most of it as he was getting out of commander. I picked up stuff like Gemhide Sliver, Manaweft Sliver, Necrotic Sliver, Harmonic Sliver, Heart Sliver, Galerider Sliver and Crystalline Sliver if I recall first by cash and standard trades.
Then I got a few things like a Chromatic Lantern, Merciless Eviction, Heartstone, and Training Grounds for more additions. Eventually I started with getting the shocks and fetches (the khans fetches are cheaper) again the cheaper ones like Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills, Temple Garden, Overgrown Tomb, Hallowed Fountain, and worked my way up having more than half of them (I'm currently only missing 3 fetches and 3 shocklands).
I got my Sliver Queen and Sliver Legion from the same friend who took apart his sliver list (it's unfortunate he sold it's entire manabase and then just kept the slivers before I even met him at my lgs though), after I had all the rest of the creatures and up until that point I focused more on an aggro/voltron strategy. I bought him some very pricey modern staples (2x Chalice of the Void before there reprint and traded an Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger for these 2 slivers and to nearly finish a whole deck to play for modern :)
You can then later like i'm soon about to do myself soon I think, start to buy things like a Mana Crypt, Mana Drain, Demonic Tutor, Wheel of Fortune, etc to make the deck more competitive.To give you an idea where i'm at, here's my decklist (I'm missing 16 cards in all from it) also that's cheaper than what you see here:
Commander / EDH*
SCORE: 10 | 10 COMMENTS | 3032 VIEWS | IN 3 FOLDERS
I did not exactly plan on writing essentially a book on this for you lol, and so I apoligize. In summary start by acquiring if you don't already own any these above suggested lands, and start acquiring all the slivers you can, I recommend get ones like Sliver Hivelord, Diffusion Sliver and or Crystalline Sliver, Blur Sliver, Gemhide Sliver + Manaweft Sliver, Bonescythe Sliver, Syphon Sliver, Heart Sliver, Harmonic Sliver, Galerider Sliver + Winged Sliver, and others like Predatory Sliver, Sinew Sliver, Muscle Sliver all of which are pretty cheap. Then you will want Chromatic Lantern, plenty of signets, Darksteel Ingot, Commander's Sphere, Fellwar Stone, maybe the newly reprinted Coalition Relic which is a bit cheaper now. Then start upgrading the manabase(Mana Confluence, City of Brass, Unclaimed Territory, Sliver Hive, Ancient Ziggurat are all a good start. Then go with maybe getting the filterlands which thankfully have been reprinted and are now a lot cheaper,(Flooded Grove, Twilight Mire,...) and the shocks/fetches prioritizing the ones for green like Breeding Pool, Overgrown Tomb, Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills because you will want green I would say more than any of your colours to cast stuff like Manaweft Sliver + Gemhide Sliver, Kodama's Reach/Rampant Growth/Cultivate etc. Once you have most if not all of the slivers and the mana base then you can go back to refining the deck with medium to high end upgrades like Mana Crypt, Volrath's Stronghold, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Pact of Negation, and such. Personally in my case i'm refraining from the original duels for budget reasons myself as I can't ever see myself getting enough use out of them to make them worth it fully. Anyways I hope this gives you lots to think about!
(Final note), consider Spirit of Resistance at least initially if you think you can either protect it with counterspells or in a meta where enchantment removal won't be an issue :)
2 months ago
chadsansing thanks a ton! I'll definitely give your list a look for notes.
With regards to your suggestions, I can't run phytohydra (or any cards with another colour) without running aground on my concept of playing Reyhan by herself.
Mycoloth is a HELL of a suggestion that I can't believe I hadn't considered. What a beater. It'll be annoying finding a cut for it but doable.
On the surface Cauldron of Souls seems good but there's a problem because many of my hydra ETB with 0 counters if they weren't cast. I realized this in the original list when I tried to play more true reanimator rather than recursion cards. This is why I prefer Phyrexian Reclamation, Volrath's Stronghold, and Palace Siege in the list, getting a genesis hydra back in hand feels so good to recast.
The deck could probably use some more sacrifice outlets, certainly Grim Backwoods is a plan Z kind of affair. Birthing Pod is a pretty strong suggestion since I can sack Reyhan to find dimir house guard in time for a board wipe or bloodspore thrinax to combo off with woodfall primus. It's a little bit bad since much of my creature base DOESN'T have a high CMC as a card until I pour mana into them, but it's probably good enough nonetheless.
2 months ago
A forgotten mana dork you could consider is Urborg Elf. I'd also run Volrath's Stronghold. Life from the Loam can get back Volrath's Stronghold, which can get back Eternal Witness, which can get back anything.