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2 minutes ago
This looks like a pretty sweet budget-friendly list, I'm not gonna lie.
1 day ago
Usually meta tuning is related to the interaction suite.
For example, I expect to play against LabMan Cameron's Tasigur, Opus Thief, Kess MAN, Nin stax/control, Urza, Thrasios+Tymna Scepter Consult, First Silver Food Chain. I'm new to my meta (and this deck) so I've started off with only 3 adjustments.
- I've seen a lot of Back to Basics , Blood Moon , and Magus of the Moon which are back breaking on this manabase, so I swapped from Swords to Plowshares to Force of Vigor . Additionally, my opponents are using Jace, Wielder of Mysteries instead of Laboratory Maniac in consult backup lines, so Swords isn't that great of an answer. Force of Vigor also hits Isochron Scepter and Food Chain, so it's a better fit for my meta.
- None of my opponents are extremely graveyard dependent (like Gitrog / Hulk / Razaketh), and when I was piloting Razakats I saw that many of my opponents are already running Rest in Peace and Grafdigger's Cage . However, it is a very interaction-heavy meta, so I swapped Rest in Peace for Rhystic Study . I'm still testing this slot, perhaps it will become Misdirection .
- Finally, because a lot of the interaction I'm facing is permission-based, say 8+ counter spells in each list, I opted to replace the early-game focused Lotus Petal with a Vexing Shusher to help find openings in the mid to late game.
I hope some of this has helped. Just analyze which decks are your biggest threats, look for answer cards to those threats (probably just check out the Maybeboard to start), then look for which cards you can cut.
One final note, general answers are still usually better than situational answers. For example, cutting Counterspell to add Natural State is probably counter-productive. Good luck and have fun with it! Also, there's help on Discord and Reddit!
1 day ago
With regard to cuts: If you want to run Zombie Master and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , you don't need Zombie Trailblazer anymore. Library of Leng is an interesting card, but I'm not sure it's good enough to merit an include; I'm assuming that it's meant to interact with Varina, Lich Queen 's looting ability. I just think there're better things you can do with the slot -- same goes for Desecrated Tomb . Their impact is marginal most of the time, and inserting more card draw or artifact ramp seems likely to be better.
I'm guessing Call to the Netherworld is meant to buy back cards while interacting with Varina's ability. I think running a to battlefield reanimation spell, like Reanimate or Animate Dead , would be simply better. Gravedigger and Eternal Taskmaster are similar cards I'd cut.
Ertai, the Corrupted is a card I think many people overrate. Five-mana is a very high cost, and cards like Daring Apprentice and Ertai, the Corrupted are worse than regular Counterspell s because your opponents know to play around the counter effect.
If you're running Phyrexian Altar , I'm not sure Ashnod's Altar is necessary. Including tutors like Demonic Tutor makes redundancy less important; similarly, including tutors would allow you to run just one Merciless Eviction or Austere Command effect rather than both.
2 days ago
Liliana's Triumph has outclassed Diabolic Edict . You should replace the Mana Leaks with any combination of Counterspell s, Spell Pierce s, and Force of Will s. Also do you have a sideboard, and if not, what is your meta like?
2 days ago
My first suggestion involves your artifact ramp. Dimir Signet and Orzhov Signet are worse than Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Hierarchy in the majority of situations, mainly because they don't need mana to begin activating. Talisman of Progress is also worth considering, though I'm assuming blue and white are your lesser colors. In that vein, I suggest cutting Chromatic Lantern for another piece of two-mana artifact ramp. In my experience, there is a big difference between 2 and 3 mana rocks in EDH, and anything you can do to increase your deck's speed will be a good thing.
Considering the win conditions: I think Approach of the Second Sun is superfluous. In my experience, zombie decks are perfectly happy just trying to get away with the aggro win condition, though the Gravecrawler loops are certainly an interesting second. The problem with Approach of the Second Sun is that it is not good by itself; generally, you want to run combo pieces that also serve some utility even without the combo. (For example, this is why I hate the Isochron Scepter in my Kess, Dissident Mage list.) Drawing it in your opener or when you don't have the mana to cast it leaves it essentially dead, and I think the aggro or Gravecrawler plans are just better.
Once you hit three colors, mana base becomes extremely important. City of Brass and Mana Confluence are excellent cards, and I've had excellent luck with them. Ideally, you'd run fetch lands like Polluted Delta and Misty Rainforest as a sort of 'additional dual land,' but these can be very pricy. If that's an issue, I advise slow fetches like Bad River , Flood Plain , Rocky Tar Pit and Grasslands . Cavern of Souls is an expensive card, though it is excellent in any tribal deck -- if you have access to it, you should run it. Unclaimed Territory is another thing to consider, as is running Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth instead of one of your basic Swamp s. I also think you're running a few too many lands. Thirty-three is generally my upper limit, and since your curve is so high, I think that's about what you'd want. Thirty-five is too many.
I like that you're running zombie lords. Though anthem effects do greatly reduce the synergy of Gravecrawler with Skullclamp , I think their bonus to the aggro plan is high enough to justify their inclusion. In that vein, Lord of the Undead and Zombie Master are worth considering.
Card advantage decides most EDH games -- for example, yesterday I had someone concede not because I had pressure on the board, but because I was drawing five more cards than them a turn. Though this may have been a premature concession, it does illustrate my point. Thus, I highly recommend running cards like Graveborn Muse , Phyrexian Arena , Painful Truths , Chart a Course , Slate of Ancestry , Glimmer of Genius , Pulse of the Grid , Night's Whisper , Notion Thief , Thirst for Knowledge and/or Windfall . Similarly, cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are almost auto-includes in a blue list. Brainstorm 's efficacy is dependent on the number of shuffle effects you run, though if you choose to include fetches (slow or otherwise), I highly advise it. Many of these cards involve paying life; if life becomes an issue, try Whip of Erebos or a non-lethal Exsanguinate in addition to your Gray Merchant of Asphodel .
Tutors are good cards. I'm a fan of Entomb in addition to your Buried Alive , as it gets Gravecrawler in the yard for your combo and, if you pair it with reanimation like Reanimate , Animate Dead or the Victimize / Stitch Together you already run, it allows you to cheat in fatties. Grave Titan and Massacre Wurm are two of my favorite reanimation targets, but they're both around $20 these days. Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the gold standard for black tutors, but these can also be inaccessible because of their price. Diabolic Tutor is a fine substitute, and I've had good success with Lim-Dul's Vault .
Liliana is also a good zombie-include, be it for flavor or for the power she offers. Liliana, Death's Majesty is great in zombie decks and is pretty affordable; Liliana, Dreadhorde General has been dropping in price recently and is also great. Depending on your playgroup's meta, Liliana, the Last Hope may be a powerhouse, though she is $40 these days.
Generally in EDH, one-for-ones are not where you want to be. There are usually three opponents, so on average you'll be facing 3x as many cards as you have. Anguished Unmaking and Utter End are good cards, but they are not as good in EDH as they'd be in 1v1 formats. Supreme Verdict and Merciless Eviction , which I see you're running, are better. Might I suggest Damnation , Wrath of God , and/or Toxic Deluge ? You may want to lean toward black board-wipes, as this is already where your mana will be when casting zombies. An overloaded Cyclonic Rift is also great, especially if paired with the aforementioned Windfall .
Perpetual Timepiece is a cool include. Consider Cephalid Vandal . Because you're not running Call to the Grave (which I think is overrated anyways), there is little to no cost of running non-zombie creatures in your deck. I think Cephalid Vandal is another good way of trying to keep your deck churning with self-mill.
Another thing that takes good EDH decks to the next level is counter magic. I see you're running Counterspell , which is good, but you should consider running at least three to four other counter spells as well. Force of Will , Mana Drain and Pact of Negation are all good if you want to sell a kidney. If you're a slightly more reasonable player, cards like Narset's Reversal , Negate / Countersquall / Dovin's Veto , Swan Song , Disallow , Arcane Denial and Archmage's Charm are also worth considering.
Depending on your meta (and your personal level of sadism), Narset, Parter of Veils and Ashiok, Dream Render should be considered. Turning off tutors and extra-draws with asymmetrical effects is brutal. Personally, I don't think those two cards should ever have been printed, but what the hell -- they're here, so we might as well use them.
Patriarch's Bidding is a good way for a tribal deck to recover after a board-wipe, and Living Death is just good for black creature decks in general. Living Death is a sort of nonbo with Wonder , but that may be worth the trouble; play-testing will iron that issue out.
Good luck man!
3 days ago
There are a couple cards I would suggest. Some of them are a bit more pricey tho.
- Felidar Guardian
- Gilded Drake $$
- Gonti, Lord of Luxury
- Hostage Taker
- Perplexing Chimera
- Ravenous Chupacabra
- Reflector Mage
- Sun Titan
- Torrential Gearhulk
- Venser, Shaper Savant
- Leonin Relic-Warder
- Glen Elendra Archmage
- Anguished Unmaking
- Generous Gift
- Path to Exile
- Swords to Plowshares
- Rapid Hybridization
- Reality Shift
- Swan Song
- Mystical Tutor
- Enlightened Tutor $
- Vampiric Tutor $$
- Eerie Interlude
- Animate Dead
- Dance of the Dead
- Imprisoned in the Moon
- Oath of Teferi
- Mystic Remora
- Rhystic Study $
- Smothering Tithe
- Ghostly Prison
- Fellwar Stone
- Mind Stone
- Thought Vessel
- Talisman of Dominance
- Talisman of Progress
- Talisman of Hierarchy
- Mana Vault $
- Sensei's Divining Top $
I hope these suggestions are of some help to you. Many of the cards are simply upgrades of the weaker removal/ramp/draw cards contained in the precon.
If you want to make the deck more competitive, cards like The Chain Veil or Felidar Guardian can outright win the game in combination with Altar of the Brood or Vela the Night-Clad .
1 week ago
Hey! I really like this deck.
I think there are two cards that should be considered strict upgrades to what you have now.
I would replace:
1 week ago
Last I had checked, Push and Step were more expensive so maybe I will get them. They seem a bit too narrow, along with Spell Snare. So I could just add some extra lands.
Yes, my apologies, I was referring to Sea and not River.
Spellskite maybe just a different 0-3 drop artifact? Or like Tooth of Chiss-Goria ? Some thing I had also considered was Ensoul Artifact and Tezzeret's Touch . These turn the creatures into large beatsticks. Would those be viable for a deck like this? Is there anything else that is cool tech one could run? Like just other 0 drop artifacts for artifact count?
Like I said I really like the Affinity and aggressive nature of the deck, just some of the cards are a bit out of my range. I play Commander allot so some of these I do have luckily, but some are just not seen in other lists I have so I haven't gotten them
Counterspell occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.68%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.29%
UB (Dimir): 2.59%
WU (Azorius): 2.96%
UR (Izzet): 1.8%
GU (Simic): 1.65%
WUB (Esper): 1.4%
UBR (Grixis): 1.34%
GWU (Bant): 1.1%
BUG (Sultai): 1.08%