Land — Desert
: Gain .
, , Sacrifice a Desert: Exile all cards from all graveyards.
|Have (3)||orzhov_is_relatively_okay819 , abby315 , metalmagic|
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|Commander 2020 (C20)||Rare|
|Hour of Devastation (HOU)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||None|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Scavenger Grounds occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.04%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
Scavenger Grounds Discussion
4 days ago
Lands suggested from the crowd: Mosswort Bridge is a land in green stompy thats usually worth entering the battlefield tapped
Bonders' Enclave works fine when your commander is 4 power
Ghost Quarter, Tectonic Edge (and less budget, Strip Mine or Wasteland) are things you need in commander, there's too many of Cabal Coffers and Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun (also not bad in your deck btw) in the format to skip on land destruction, and lands that destroy lands are the most efficient at that.
Scavenger Grounds thwarts your Regrowth a little, but it thwarts most black and green commanders a lot more: take Meren of Clan Nel Toth, or Muldrotha, the Gravetide, they're pretty devastated when you uncounterably remove most of their resources from the game. There's enough caring about the graveyard to at least consider this, if you're not heavily using it yourself.
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is amazing in most monocolored decks, but a little on the $$ side.
Rogue's Passage is a scary prescence when Voltron is your plan, even when you have the deathtouch as a deterrent.
1 week ago
I mean, sort of, you forgot a ton of the rules, and randomly tossed in pet cards. 75 cards, not 70 as you stated, interrupts aren't cards anymore, I actually briefly mentioned AEther Snap separately, and you assumed that Chaplain's Blessing is useful, despite 0 lifegain synergies existing that I know of, outside of False Cure, which would theoretically be used with Beacon of Immortality, additionally Angel's Grace/Ad Nauseam will likely be a popular build, and so will Scapeshift lists.
I honestly don't think you meant to put Rakdos Charm as relevant, I mean, it hits graveyards, but Scavenger Grounds does it, is useful in other situations, and is colorless, and gives mana, and every deck can use it. Overrun wouldn't be competitive if we even did have creatures and Fog seems like you are completely kidding. There are no non token creatures, only bad token producers outside of lands and a few possibly useable builds as side wincons. Anger of the Gods is again, not a relevant card really either.
Similarly, Swords, Push and Path (Especially Path) are really bad cards in this format, where there are only tokens. Effects that are more versatile specifically and can hit lands, as each deck is effectively required to be based on those has to run them, and few decks really even use manlands, as they slow the list, and land destruction does it better.
Remember that Swan Song also will often be a worse Flusterstorm that just gets hit by Mental Misstep (This is a Misstep format, so the entirety of the format is based around it) and Veil of Summer. Due to Life from the Loam being the only real engine aside from flashback based cards, and the fact that ever single spell hits the yard upon resolution rather than the battlefield, and most people will see the graveyard as a resource outside of Loam too. The best abusers are Treasure Cruise, Dig Through Time, and Cling to Dust, which cleans up loams and acts as a draw engine for cheap black discard decks based on Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, etc. Then there is Mystic Sanctuary, which adds so much flame to the fire, as it layers with both Scapeshift and Life from the Loam builds.
That backbone, along with some control tech for the format (Force of Will, Force of Negation, Miscast, Echoing Truth, Cryptic Command, Archmage's Charm, etc.) made the Simic Land Control build you claim I made, and called "loam". I turned it for the meta game's adjustment to it after building the rest of the possibly abuseable archetypes.
One of these tests included tons of Ad Nauseam Storm builds, but it flopped with the Mental Missteps in the format. They can take the loss of some rituals going, or even trade them for their own missteps occasionally, but the fact that every half decent list ran 4 free counterspells just meant that wheel-based builds flopped too.
In fact the format is so aggressively focused on lands being engines, loam, Scapeshift, and the other land builds that the only reasonable combos, which were depths, that got crushed by Archmage's Charm and Cryptic Command in the Control builds, and most other lists packed enough Field of Ruins or Ghost Quarters to still be just fine.
Look, you didn't really read up on GoblinElectromancer's format, you misread what shadow63 said, as he never implicated that he solved the format, just said, quote: "So burn or mill or tokens?" And nothing else on it, and you seemingly tossed a ton of janky filler cards as your choices for powerhouse cards, using the same terminology I used to describe a completely separate group of cards, and then miscredited me on multiple points claiming random things I think everyone immediately knew as "breakthroughs."
Despite the 10+ hours straight I spent since the banlist of the format's release designing and using multiple geometric calculators (had to make one on my own for Loam calculations and 75 card opener testers), attempting to check which build had the most room to improve and grow, I landed on Simic/Bant Lands Control, and solved the format's boogeyman. Yes you still somehow claim the only two decks are yours and mine, despite me proposing over 8 decks and in this bringing up another I didn't feel the need to previously. There are many more than 2 decks, one of which being a worse version of a good deck.
P.S. for all people that want to try the format.
Don't assume the format is solved for good, just that a singular deck seems to be absolutely busted and will beat everything else we have come up with. Intuition depths is my current brainchild, working to take Dark Depths, Life from the Loam, and Thespian Stage, in a Sultai build optimized to cheaply interact while having a list almost entirely based on card advantage and disruption, a more tempo based build rather than just wincons and control like Simic/Bant.
If the shell just gets added to Simic/Bant, I won't be surprised. Surgical Extraction is currently the best anti-loam card I know of, with Extirpate and Cling to Dust being strong avenues the decks trying to counter Loam can use as well. Divert and Misdirection are incredibly powerful however and can be used against them, as they also hit all of the counter magic, burn, discard, etc. in the format.
The format is cool to tinker with but is mostly done currently. If a ban comes tinker around in it, it seems cool!
The Stifle -> Lotus Field -> arcane storm is super viable, and Sylvan Scrying, Crop Rotation and Past in Flames are all in the format, so try it. It doesn't work amazingly because of how much free countermagic is in the format, Flusterstorm, etc. but still, resolve a Veil of Summer in an opportune moment and go for it!
3 weeks ago
Nice build, and in particular the mana base looks very locked down.
Just a question though—why the inclusion of Scavenger Grounds over something like Bojuka Bog? Is it because Scavenger Grounds is useable right away without penalty while the bog enters tapped and it’s removal effect cannot be saved for later? Sorry if this is a bad question but I’ve only just picked up the game again after about 20years and am trying to get back up to speed.
3 weeks ago
My thoughts are that the best improvements could be made to the landbase. Command Tower, Path of Ancestry, Jungle Shrine, Field of Ruin, Krosan Verge, Scavenger Grounds, Rogue's Passage... Sure, the last three are colorless, but you can usually afford a few colorless utility lands in a 3 color deck. I'd also recommend Cinder Glade, Canopy Vista, Sheltered Thicket, and Scattered Groves, as they can be searched up by the verge and count as their respective basic types for your checklands and showlands. Also makes Skyshroud Claim worth considering, which would be a great addition to your ramp package! I'd dump the guildgates, untyped tapped lands, and the bouncelands for them, but the bouncelands might be worth keeping if your group doesn't play much land destruction, in which case I'd dump the lifelands.
Lastly, Sol Ring, it's the most powerful ramp in the format, definitely worth considering.
3 weeks ago
Born of rot
Salvage - (Exile any number of target cards from an opponents graveyard, for each creature exiled this way:) you may add that mych spend this mana only to cast creature spells. Only add the mana if you control 3 or more creatures
If you're running green this is probably better than tormod's crypt, nihil spellbomb costs 2 to get the full value, but this is only good against graveyard decks and only if you've got something to spend the mana on and if ypu cast it at instant speed you probably won't get the full value. Probably horribly overpowered but theres alot of loops to jump through
well i got ninja'd
Make an enchantment that can only be cast from your library (e.g. scrycast)
1 month ago
Looks like fun! Few thoughts: Savai Triome over Nomad Outpost. My meta is also very graveyard heavy, so if you're in a similar situation, Scavenger Grounds can play a good Bojuka Bog impression as a land slot. May want some more sweepers, Cleansing Nova is surprisingly value in my opinion, with Austere Command as a similar effect. Winds of Abandon has also won me games, especially with its one-sided nature, and it punishes players that go too heavy on non-basics. Usually best right before an alpha strike. Vindicate and Anguished Unmaking are both great in decks with black/white. Sram, Senior Edificer helps get more draws going, same with Puresteel Paladin.
1 month ago
Very cool list I play a similar list.
I can also highly recommend to add some of these cards:
- Strip Mine/Wasteland
- Scavenger Grounds/Bonders' Enclave
- Summoner's Pact !!!
- Pendelhaven/Castle Garenbrig
- Lead the Stampede, Voice of Many or Compost instead of Harmonize
- Rishkar's Expertise instead of Shamanic Revelation
- Return of the Wildspeaker (/Ezuri, Renegade Leader/Craterhoof Behemoth)
- Thousand-Year Elixir
1 month ago
FunnyDuck Thanks much for the suggestions and the upvote! If I'm reading it right, you suggest the deck should shore up in these areas:
1) GY control, either through reanimation or exile.
2) Commander control, through sac effects.
3) Additional ramp.
Plus the recommendation of Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, which I appreciate because she was my favorite card of Origins. I spent so much money on drafts trying to pull her, and I was so mad I just kept getting the (then $7) Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip...
ANYWAY. Lots of good points. I will say it's tough with an "engine" deck like this one to add additional utility without sacrificing consistency. It's just SO BAD if you have out the Megrim effects and then stop drawing gas. As much as possible I'm trying to make the utility and win-con effects overlap with other synergies, like Madness, or else stick it in the land slot, like Bojuka Bog.
For category 1), I definitely like Scavenger Grounds, and maybe: Elspeth's Nightmare, Phyrexian Scriptures, Nezumi Graverobber, Shred Memory (which can tutor for either a Your-Turn Discard or a Liliana's Caress) or Erebos's Intervention?
For 2), I'm not convinced that the deck can't run without Tinybones, since there are other ways to break parity in both the discard selection and in the extra Draw Engines. Tinybones is also really easy to recast through Commander Tax, so the real problem is being stolen. I'm thinking maybe just running a Homeward Path and Phyrexian Tower and maybe Endless Sands, which also works with Scavenger Grounds. If I'm running these colorless/non-Swamp lands I should probably throw in Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.
I would really love to run that Liliana, but without adding more sacrifice effects, I don't think I can pull it off. That's definitely one way to build the deck, though.
Thanks again! I'll make some changes now and what I don't make room for now, I'll add to a recommendations section on card selections if you're facing GY decks, steal decks, etc.