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Counter target enchantment, instant or sorcery spell. Its controller creates a 2/2 blue Bird creature token with flying.
Swan Song Discussion
1 day ago
Awesome deck!! :D Only recommendations would be: Pongify / Rapid Hybridization in place of Terminate , they're more cost efficient and the 3/3 in EDH is negligible. You also want a Swan Song in there, since it's so cost efficient and stops most things that could thwart your plan.
Last but not least, I recommend you eventually move your updates and combo explanations to the update panel or description, since they'll eventually get lost in the comments.
5 days ago
In addition you can consider adding in the lines for Isochron Scepter / Dramatic Reversal since you are running quite a bit of rocks to go infinite mana, and then from there cast the spells on your target player.
Additional counterspell packages can include Delay , Swan Song , Counterspell , Arcane Denial , Remand , Snap , Mental Misstep . With the protection package as well I am a fan of Capsize for Sen Triplet decks as you will be able to play the lands you bounce back or even permanents that they resolve before your turn.
Some cheap spells that are considered highly are also Silence and Orim's Chant , Render Silent is also a great way to stall for more plays. Allowing you to essentailly time walk over them. If your looking for more protection spells, you can look into Imp's Mischief or Rebuff the Wicked for more protection.
Sen Triplets used to be one of my favorite decks to play hope this gives you some helpful ideas!
6 days ago
Stifle's main utility in eternal formats is countering fetch lands, where it is an amazing card. A 1-mana land destruction spell in blue is brutal. As for Disallow, it depends on how your deck plays and your meta. If you regularly want to keep up mana, then it's better than Negate. If you see a lot of superfriends decks, then it's probably the best 3-mana counterspell, but I prefer efficiency. For example, in my Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck, the difference between keeping up Swan Song and Disallow is huge. Even the difference between keeping up Counterspell and Disallow can be the difference between killing an opponent and having to wait at least one more turn. I'll run Admiral's Order in Shu Yun before Disallow, because I'm much more likely to get wrecked by Pongify or Path to Exile on the attack after I've unloaded the pump spells in my hand than any activated ability. If you want another copy of Disallow, Voidslime is powerful, but you need to keep up GUU, which is a big cost if your deck isn't specifically built to work at instant speed. I don't think I would run it unless I was specifically in a Simic deck.
6 days ago
I feel like this deck is WAY too linear... If you were to play against any of my or any cEDH player's (which I am not a cEDH player) control deck this would fail altogether. Nothing is worse then having the win, playing it, and getting that winning feeling just to have someone say no with a Force of Will .
1 week ago
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Thopter Foundry + Sword of the Meek + Time Sieve suffers from being a 3 piece combo and from card quality. Foundry can be worthwhile for instant speed blockers, but the other two are dead draws without the combo assembled.
I would recommend Tainted Pact for running with Laboratory Maniac . It serves as an A + B combo for winning (+ draw 1 card ofc), and is safer for the purposes of your deck than Demonic Consultation , although you could easily run that for cheaper CMC comboing. Worth noting that Pact has synergy with Isochron, or can be used for getting the last combo piece for a Top combo.
It seems as if assembling infinite mana + draw deck is your goal. I would recommend slotting Copy Artifact + Winds of Rebuke as an alternate wincon to lab man wins. Combos with dramatic scepter (you copy the scepter, imprinting winds of rebuke, to mill everyone out and pass to them, causing draws into empty libraries for GG). Copy Artifact and Winds of Rebuke also both have very high card quality, both are playable independently.
My last combo suggestion is for Praetor's Grasp . Especially with Sen having the potential to steal combo pieces, you have the potential to stop win cons as well as getting closer to your own. Praetor's Grasp will run as a functional tutor here, grabbing faster ramp or the combo pieces you need.
ad nauseum is a strong card, but you should consider the following. You are already pressuring your own life total with Dark Confidant as well as Phyrexian Arena , plus incidental damage from Mana Crypt as well as Ancient Tomb and the talismans. Your average cmc 2.33, meaning your Ad Naus will usually dig 10-20 cards, depending on damage and what you flip.. You also don't run any rituals, and have no way of reusing rocks outside of Dramatic Reversal . Supporting cards like Chain of Vapor or Hurkyl's Recall give extra mileage to Ad Nauseum as they let you re-ramp your own mana positive rocks after landing the Ad Naus, and Yawgmoth's Will is a monster in Ad Naus decks. You are also light on creatures and pack a medium sized removal package, so creatures can get free swings and reduce your Ad Nauseum that way too. You are running white, so you could decide to make ad nauseum + Angel's Grace a win-con as a possibility too. Right now Ad Nauseum looks more like expensive card draw in this deck than a strong win condition. As it stands, I firmly believe Necropotence is stronger in this current list.
You should consider swapping slower, permanent based draw spells for faster, instant/sorcery speed draw spells. Brainstorm + Ponder + Preordain + Sleight of Hand will all bring down the cmc for Ad Naus, help guarantee smoothness in your early game, and give you cantrips to "win immediately" with Lab man. They also allow you to hold up counterspells more meaningfully. You could cut Padeem, Teferi, and the U/B Tezzeret, those changes alone would cut 10 CMC out of your deck for speed and Ad Naus purposes. For what it's worth, I also believe that Scroll Rack is most effective in edh with decks that sustain larger handsizes (gives ability to dig deeper), and would also be a proponent of cutting for a cantrip. One final note on card draw, your commander acts as card advantage for you,
Your removal package can be modified to be faster and stronger. Council's Judgment has some nice perks, but it should be tertiary to both Swords to Plowshares as well as Path to Exile . Both of them are just far more efficient. You also only have two answers to artifacts or enchantments on the board, Cyclonic Rift or Council's Judgment . 2-3 more bounce spells could help with board state by quite a bit, especially if you are able to stax them out of replaying their pieces. 1-2 pieces or artifact/enchantment removal will also go a long way to helping your board presence, especially since cEDH skews towards non-creature permanents.
Humility + Night of Souls' Betrayal is a nice creature lock, but I would rather see wipes in both of those slots. Humility wrecks card advantage from your own commander, and Night is low card quality outside of combo. Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is the preferred -x/-x effect, as it kills many of the strongest hate bears in the format (+ lab man) and allows your own hatebears to win through beatdown. I wouldn't recommend Elesh in a bear-lite build, so I would propose two wipes or pieces or removal instead.
Disallow is high cmc for a counter, consider running something else if you still want Ad Naus. If you want to hamper activated abilities, run either Pithing Needle or Phyrexian Revoker , both can deal with some of the premiere critters of the format, from Sisay to Thrasios. There are still plenty of fantastic 1 or 2 cmc counters that are common in the format that you don't run, such as Negate and Counterspell . Special mention to Swan Song for also doubling as a dramatic scepter + Copy Artifact wincon
Land base looking strong. Only changes I would suggest are remove the ETB tapped manlands, because speed is important, as well as swap out the artifact lands for basics. With a very high artifact density, you don't need to be worried about metalcraft enabled for Opal, and having nonbasics that don't give abilities and only produce 1 color of mana is not worthwhile when you can get caught by someone else's Back to Basics
1 week ago
For lands, Cabal Stronghold doesn't make any sense. You're running 7 Basic Swamps. If you wanted to put in Cabal Coffers with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , that could work, but I doubt you want to put your money there. Cascading Cataracts, Waterveil Cavern, Survivor's Encampment, Shimmering Grotto, Rupture Spire, Guildmage's Forum, and Gateway Plaza should be the next to go. You're running a 2-color deck, so you don't need such bad fixing. I'd also lose Everglades.
Nighthowler is the only really bad creature that I see, although you'll probably want more if you're on the self-mill plan. Triskaidekaphobia and Tree of Perdition are cute. I don't think I would run that, but if you're going to, run Clutch of the Undercity and Dimir House Guard to tutor up the pieces.
Spinal Embrace is a cool card, but it's pretty inefficient. For that kind of mana, you could be running Kindred Dominance , Crux of Fate , Deadly Tempest , Decree of Pain , Extinguish All Hope , or Life's Finale (I would go with this one, given your commander). Cancel is a no-go. Counterspell , Negate , Swan Song , Countersquall , Dissolve , Arcane Denial , Disallow , Sinister Sabotage and Dream Fracture should all be in the deck before Cancel.
Tome of the Guildpact is pretty bad in this deck. If you want rocks, you should be running Sky Diamond , Charcoal Diamond , Coldsteel Heart , Mind Stone , Thought Vessel , and Talisman of Dominance before you touch that or Darksteel Ingot in a 2-color deck. If you're looking for card draw, Phyrexian Arena , Syphon Mind , Fact or Fiction , Tidings , Sign in Blood , and Night's Whisper are all better.
If you wanna mill, Altar of the Brood , Mesmeric Orb , Dread Summons , Sphinx's Tutelage , Psychic Corrosion , Traumatize , Patient Rebuilding , Memory Erosion , and Whetstone are all more powerful than Millstone (though I do appreciate it's OG status).
If you want to see what other people are playing in their Scarab God decks, I recommend checking out the EDHREC page for him.
1 week ago
1 week ago
Swan Song occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.14%
U/R (Izzet): 0.35%
G/U (Simic): 0.36%
W/U (Azorius): 0.36%
U/B (Dimir): 0.22%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.34%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.31%
BUG (Sultai): 0.37%
GWU (Bant): 0.21%
RUW (Jeskai, America): 0.22%
RUG (Temur): 0.15%
All decks: 0.02%
All decks: 0.01%