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Swan Song Discussion
16 hours ago
Training Grounds if its not out of your budget
Rhystic Study its a card that always ends up drawing you cards, people are greedy in my playgroup lol
Talisman of Dominance another rock for dimir
Kindred Discovery not sure if good, seems good
Swan Song AMAZING COUNTER SPELL THAT SHOULD BE IN EVERY DECK
2 days ago
How are Electrolyze and Gideon, Ally of Zendikar working in this deck? I understand that Gideon is able to provide a new 2/2 each turn, breaking a stall, but Electrolyze is inefficient removal and draw. Also, Jeskai Charm seems like a dud - heavy on the mana base, and you'll probably only use it as another Boros Charm.
Here are some recommendations for replacements - you don't have to take my advice, though.Instead of Electrolyze, use Spell Snare, Thing in the Ice Flip, Young Pyromancer, Swan Song, Chained to the Rocks, or Kataki, War's Wage. If none of these appeal, try Spellskite.
1 week ago
You want it degenerate?
Either of those creatures + Food Chain is infinite mana for creature spells, and then you can cast Zegana, exile her, re-cast her, exile her, etc., until you draw your whole library (stop short of drawing out, obviously). Cast Laboratory Maniac, and then exile/re-cast Zegana again to win.
To adequately protect this combo, I'd recommend reducing the average costs of your counter spells and protection so you can have them available to cast before setting in on this loop (because Lab Man getting destroyed/exiled with the last draw trigger on the stack is extremely bad). Recommendations are: Swan Song (it counters almost everything that messes up this combo basically), Flusterstorm, Negate, even Pact of Negation could be a good idea.
Long-Term Plans would be a great way to find Food Chain.
1 week ago
Hope you don't mind some suggestions from ya boi Owen. I've looked thoroughly through your list and have some ideas to propose to you. Totally up to you whether or not to use these cards (I won't be offended either way- at the end of the day this still looks like a solid, fun list!). But here are some suggestions:
Replace some of the counterspells: I've noticed you've put a lot of counters in here. This is good- make sure people can't achieve their wincons. But 19 might be a little too much- mono blue can work very effectively with just 10 counterspells (especially with the draw and topdeck manipulation you will be able to achieve with this deck). Here are in my opinion the top ten best budget counterspells: Arcane Denial, Swan Song, Counterspell, Mana Leak, Foil, Pact of Negation, Summary Dismissal, Disallow, Muddle the Mixture, Condescend. And of course you have access to Mana Drain which could easily replace any counter out of the ones I just listed. Even if you want to stay at 19 counters, I would highly recommend taking out Annul, Ceremonious Rejection, Essence Scatter, and Spell Shrivel to put in cards like Swan Song, Arcane Denial, and Foil.
Draw Spells: You've got good stuff in here like Pull from Tomorrow and Stroke of Genius, but sometimes paying X every time you want to draw cards can be a bit too much (especially when you are trying to cast high cost Sphinxes). I'd recommend removing Stroke of Genius, Fact or Fiction, and Fortune's Favor to put in Frantic Search, Dig Through Time, and Paradoxical Outcome. Frantic Search lets you untap lands, Dig Through Time is just too good, and Paradoxical Outcome can let you net mana off of bouncing Sol Ring while also letting you get more ETB effects off of your replayed creatures. For strong early game draw, I'd recommend removing Braingeyser to fit in Mystic Remora.
Ramp: Since your average CMC of the deck is 3.48 and blue gives very little access to land ramp like green, you'll need to back that up with a buttload of artifact ramp. You need to put in Thran Dynamo, Mind Stone, and Sapphire Medallion. They will help you a LOT. Having Dreamstone Hedron, Everflowing Chalice, and Caged Sun in here addition to the other artifact ramp will definitely give you an edge over other players in mana. Also I'd recommend putting in at least 3 more islands.
Acid Rain: This card makes me lol against mono green players. It seems entertaining but may be a useless draw when playing against decks that don't run green. Or even if they do run green it could be something like my Surrak Dragonclaw deck that only runs a few forests with most everything else being nonbasics that don't have forest type like Karplusan Forest. Due to this, if you want to put in some land hate, run Frozen AEther. People will hate you but it's not too mean and it certainly puts you ahead and gains you even more counterspell advantage.
Sphinxes: Here are some Sphinxes I've found that I think would really do you a lot of work and versatility in this deck: Guardian of Tazeem, Chancellor of the Spires, Sphinx Ambassador, and Deadeye Navigator. Yeah, I know the Navigator isn't a Sphinx but he can blink your Sphinxes to get their ETB effects as well as Unesh's trigger. Endless value for only 2 mana.
Target Removal: I would recommend taking out a couple counterspells in order to fit in Reality Shift, Rapid Hybridization, Pongify, AEtherspouts, or AEtherize. These cards have insane value. Everyone expects a counterspell, but nobody expects their Pathbreaker Ibex to suddenly become a 3/3 Pepe the frog at the end of main phase.
The Immortal Sun. This card would do wonders for this deck- you saw first hand how well it worked on Saturday night. Imagine James trying to play that goddamn Teferi, Temporal Archmage with Immortal Sun out. Glorious.
Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds. Think about these two for a second. They come into play, you sac them and go fetch and island and put the island into play tapped. Your deck is mono blue- so the only thing you can fetch with these is a basic island. If you just replace these with basic islands they'll come in untapped.
Anywho- those are my recommendations! Hope they help and I'm really looking forward to seeing you play this deck! Sorry I went into so much gross detail about my suggestions but I really do love looking through lists and then writing about them.
1 week ago
Alright so initial thoughts: needs more ramp, needs more card draw and needs more interaction.
Ramp: You are in green so there is a lot of really good and cheep ramp you should add. You have the three two mana rampent growths which are good, but you should have at least 10 pieces of ramp in your deck, generally I like the higher mana ones that get two lands. The two mana ones are better in faster playgroups, but with how slow our games usually are, card efficiency and advantage is more important in my opinion. Cards I suggest: Cultivate, Explosive Vegetation, Kodama's Reach. You might also consider running all the signets though you may not need them. Also a note on mana, I'd say you should still run at least 36 lands, 34 is a bit low. For budget reasons you can probably cut the scry lands too. Look at: Kazandu Refuge, Highland Lake, Simic Guildgate, Timber Gorge, Woodland Stream. You also need to add some Mountains to your deck, at least 4 I'd say. You can also try to reduce the number of tap lands but yeah.
Card draw: One note first, make sure you add Ancestral Statue. Honestly your card draw isn't to to bad. I'd include Fierce Empath to for tutors, Skullclamp is always great card draw too. Secret Plans is cheap and goes with your deck. Trail of Mystery is also a good card, remember you can unmorph inside of combat too. Salt Road Ambushers is also a morph card that goes really well with other morph creatures. Remember megamorph is the same thing as morph, except when it flips it gets an extra +1/+1 counter. Whisperwood Elemental is crazy good card advantage too. Ixidor, Reality Sculptor is really crazy good when you can turn expensive un-morph creatures face up for only 3 mana too. Master of the Veil is also really good to rebuy some of the unmorph effects.
Interaction: This is one you could use some more work on. Most of your interaction will come from creatures but you still need to have some. For artifact and enchantment destruction you should be running a few of these: Acidic Slime, Nantuko Vigilante And a few ways to interact with creatures: Thousand Winds And maybe some spell removal: Beast Within, Primal Command, Shatterstorm.
Cards I dont think are pulling their weight: Recurring Insight is bad imo, if you want Fact or Fiction is better I'd say. Ashcloud Phoenix really slow and probably not going to recur. Broodhatch Nantuko interesting if you block a big creature and unmoroh it but even then I dont think its that good. Dawntreader Elk unless you are returning it from the graveyard I like other ramp more. Desolation Twin only good when you are ahead and even then questionable. Fathom Seer good card, but may not always have two islands, or just needs to be a consideration when you are ramping. Protean Hulk really good for combos and sometimes ok for value. In your deck of high cmc creatures though not as good. Unless he's a combo piece I'd say you can cut him. Thelonite Hermit dont think its worth it. Thought Harvester good if you are comboing it with Ancestral Statue or the like for a game winning combo, so probably fine, doesn't do much if you are not comboing though. Tishana, Voice of Thunder probably only good if you are already winning, may be fine but also cuttable for budget reasons. Flash really doesnt need to be here. Swan Song is a great card but can also probably be cut.
On other notes, your curve is looking pretty good, and overall it looks like a good deck. You can move a few cards around for budget reasons, but really your almost as low as you can go. Cards you can probably cut for budget reasons: Solemn Simulacrum, Voidmage Prodigy, Shaman of Forgotten Ways, Rootbound Crag, Protean Hulk, Cinder Glade, and Swan Song. Other than that it gets iffy I'd say. Let me know if you have any further questions.
1 week ago
cards or is one or the other fine too?
If either or is fine, here are some I thought of, izetas ones included:
:Omniscience, Search for Azcanta Flip, Thing in the Ice Flip, Cyclonic Rift, Arcanis the Omnipotent, Roil Elemental (These last 2 were cards I played with in my first magic casual magic deck and I still have special thoughts of them), Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Deepglow Skate, Enter the Infinite, Clone Legion, Swan Song, Baral, Chief of Compliance, Rite of Replication, Talrand, Sky Summoner, Chasm Skulker, and Teferi, Temporal Archmage.
:Lightning Bolt, Urabrask the Hidden, Wheel of Fortune, Malignus, Combustible Gearhulk, Hellkite Tyrant, Scourge of the Throne, Bedlam Reveler, Utvara Hellkite, Balefire Dragon, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, Kargan Dragonlord, Rekindling Phoenix, Dragonmaster Outcast, and Hour of Devastation.
1 week ago
I can't see Aether Vial in this, but if you want to play it you'd have to be okay with emptying your hand quicker. It is really good in any deck that buffs the cards. (I.e Merfolk) however, doing it here doesn't really give you an advantage. Kinda just flooding the field.
Go for the Throat is a wonderful card, consider using it maybe.
btw, you have a blue card (Swan Song) in the side but no sources of blue mana to cast it.
2 weeks ago
Coiling Oracle - Not always ramp, but always replaces itself in terms of card advantage. Compare it to an Elvish Visionary or a Baleful Strix that are good in the first place and you'll notice that even if it isn't guaranteed ramp, it's still a gamble that's worth it.
Farseek - Great colorfixing when you have dual lands, and you want a couple of CMC2 ramp to get the ball rolling.
Nature's Lore - You need shocks for this to be worth it in a three-color deck, otherwise it's too inconsistent for colorfixing.
Deathrite Shaman - One of the best manadorks available if you have fetches and/or you run self-mill, since it ramps you in the early game and can grave hate in the late game.
Chromatic Lantern - You don't need a lot of mana rocks when you're in green, but this one's utility is good enough when you're 3+ colors. Can help with activating Tasigur, the Golden Fang more, especially when you have Training Grounds out and colored mana is the limiting factor.
Harrow - Instant speed ramp is good if you want to save mana for counterspells/removal, and land sacrifice is good for self-mill/recursion synergies.
Realms Uncharted - Technically not ramp but it's both card advantage and dumping stuff into the graveyard, while fetching your 4 strongest lands and forcing your opponent to choose between bad and worse.
Fork in the Road - Not land ramp, not very impactful, but dumping stuff into the graveyard while colorfixing ain't too bad. Maybe a bit sad to get this one back with Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability, but that's what delve is for.
Exploration - It's ramp that requires you to have a lot of card draw or things like Crucible of Worlds and Oracle of Mul Daya, but can lead to stupidly fast starts of dumping your hand and recovering with Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability. Definitely stronger than Burgeoning.
Animate Dead - One of the best reanimation spells in the game by far.
Victimize - Even if you're not focused on reanimation, getting back 2 creatures for only 3 mana and something to sacrifice is very often worth it. The more self-mill you have, the more targets you get.
Regrowth - The original Eternal Witness which is cheaper but less abusable. Very good in conjunction with Tasigur, the Golden Fang since you can force your opponent to choose between the things you want or Regrowth which lets you get what you want.
Seasons Past - Card advantage recursion, very good in general and even better when self-milling to give yourself lots of choices.
Grapple with the Past - Instant speed recursion for 2 that also dumps stuff into your graveyard.
Nyx Weaver - Not an amazing creature, but can be dropped early as a blocker and some slow value self-mill only to be used as recursion in the late game.
Fact or Fiction - Drawing the best 1-4 cards out of your top 5 at instant speed for 4 mana is makes this one of the best cards for one-off card draw, especially when the rest end up in your graveyard for delve/recursion.
Baleful Strix - Only replaces itself in terms of card draw, but a flying deathtouch blocker for 2 mana is a very annoying deterrent.
Windfall - Very good card advantage if your game plan is to dump your hand such as with Burgeoning and Exploration effects and fills up your graveyard with the things you discard, but risky since it can help opponents with draw/recursion/reanimation.
Whispering Madness - Extra copy of Windfall if you want one. Cipher can be good if you have stupid amounts of mana for dumping your hand, but not worth one more mana if you're deciding between this or Windfall.
Necropotence - Not great in 3+ colors where it gets hard to cast and not really necessary when you have blue, but still stupidly good with enough life and mana.
The Gitrog Monster - Very strong draw engine since he triggers off of sacrifice, discard and mill. Also a 6/6 deathtouch for 5.
Pull from Tomorrow/Stroke of Genius/Blue Sun's Zenith - Lots of card draw if you have lots of mana, great when you're ramping hard and dumping your hand. Pull from Tomorrow is the best one for card draw because it digs one deeper, but the other two can mill someone to death with enough mana.
Taigam, Sidisi's Hand - CMC5 and needs a turn to do anything is not great, but the filtering and creature removal is alright if he survives.
Lim-Dl's Vault - Incredibly good card selection. It's card disadvantage in itself but you can easily dig through your library until you get a pile that gives you card advantage plus playable cards.
Sensei's Divining Top - One of the best cards for card selection. Use its first ability before using Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability to help force certain cards into your hand, then use the first ability again to dig even deeper into your library.
Sylvan Library - Very good card for card selection, becomes stupidly good with lifegain and/or fetches for shuffling.
Satyr Wayfinder - Cheap way to get stuff into your graveyard, sorcery speed but creatures are more abusable than instants/sorceries.
Compulsive Research - Great source of card selection since 1. you get to draw before discarding, 2. you can discard anything from your hand, not just from the three you drew, 3. it can be card advantage if you discard the right thing.
Thirst for Knowledge - Like Compulsive Research except a lot better because it's instant speed, and slightly worse because you'll have more opportunity to discard and recur lands compared to artifacts.
Beast Within - Can target anything, so one of the best pieces of spot removal in the format.
Sultai Charm - Very flexible removal or decent card filtering, one of the best charms available.
Reclamation Sage - Removal on legsthat can chump block, be cloned, reanimated etc.
Krosan Grip - Very strong removal, can't be countered and can stop problem cards like Oblivion Stone and Necropotence.
Murderous Cut - Creature removal for 1 is very good, as long as you have enough stuff to delve away.
Abrupt Decay - Slightly too restrictive in commander unless you play in a combo heavy meta, but still worth considering.
Nature's Claim - Removal for 1 is very very good. It's arguable whether this or Krosan Grip is better if you can only choose one.
Tetzimoc, Primal Death - Not very good, but pretty fun and good value if you have a lot of mana.
Vraska the Unseen - Unconditional removal: good. Sorcery speed for 5 mana: bad. Planeswalker with 2 loyalty left after you removed something: not great, but fun.
Scavenging Ooze - Targeted grave hate for cheap is great.
Toxic Deluge - The best creature board wipe in the format, bar none.
Pernicious Deed - One of the best board wipes in your colors. Can be asymmetrical if you have the most expensive stuff, can kill tokens for 0, can hold the table hostage by waiting with blowing it up.
Decree of Pain - CMC8 makes this not great, but the card draw makes it worth considering. Cycling is also good as an instant speed uncounterable board wipe against early aggro.
Torment of Hailfire - Generic big mana wincon, can still be pretty painful even if you don't cast it for X=lots.
Crop Rotation - Card disadvantage since you sacrifice a land, but being able to fetch any utility land at instant speed for 1 is crazy for potential. Bojuka Bog, Tectonic Edge, Alchemist's Refuge, Cabal Coffers/Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Thespian's Stage etc. Can compensate for the card disadvantage while colorfixing with Myriad Landscape/Blighted Woodland.
As Foretold - Not a very good card, but it's pretty fun to use if you get the ball rolling, especially since you can spend any extra mana on your commander once you get to freecast spells. Even better with cheap instants.
Propaganda - Generic protection, both against token decks and to avoid becoming the path of least resistance in multiplayer.
Isochron Scepter - Absurd value with stuff like Brainstorm, absurdly annoying with counterspells. It runs a fairly high risk of being a dead card in your hand though, since you won't be running lots of CMC<=2 instants. Very sad to get from Tasigur, the Golden Fang's ability with an empty hand.
Faerie Artisans - Relatively underrated card. You get the ETBs of anything your opponents cast/flicker/reanimate/etc. plus a chump blocker/attacker of varying quality.
Mirage Mirror - Incredibly strong card, even though it may not look like it at first glance. Copy a Cabal Coffers/Zendikar Resurgent for lots of mana, copy creatures like Arcanis the Omnipotent/Etali, Primal Storm and you get to tap/attack immediately as long as the artifact has been in play for a turn, copy creatures like Oracle of Mul Daya/Kess, Dissident Mage and get cheap value, scare off attackers by saying "I can copy the biggest dude on the board and block you", dodge removal/board wipes by copying a land etc. Extra fun if you run Dark Depths.
Avenger of Zendikar - Generic wincon, but still a very good wincon.
Exsanguinate - Generic big mana wincon, can save you from an early aggro death even if you don't cast it for X=lots.
Telepathy - Not a good card, but it's pretty fun for politics and mind games.
Assault Suit - Kind of fun multiplayer card, but not very good since your opponents aren't forced to attack with the equipped creature. Can cause some funny commander damage blowouts if your politics game is strong.
Psychosis Crawler - Generic but slow wincon, decent creature to clone.
Dark Depths - If you're already running support cards for Cabal Coffers, you have most of the stuff for a decent Dark Depths package like land tutors and Thespian's Stage (plus Marit Lage is cool). Throw in a Vampire Hexmage for a potential turn 3 20/20 to really set the pace of the game.
Hinterland Harbor/Woodland Cemetery - Checklands are great and not that expensive, and stay great even as your manabase improves. These two will get reprints in Dominaria, might want to wait for them.
Temple of Malady - The last scryland, you have the other two.
Cephalid Coliseum - Good for card filtering late game, comes in untapped early.
Choked Estuary - Not the best cycle of lands, but at least it's better than lands that always come in tapped. Doesn't exist in your other colors yet.
Golgari Rot Farm/Simic Growth Chamber - These are not that bad budget lands since they give you virtual card advantage at the cost of speed, but having three of them in a three-color can sometimes be too slow and awkward. If you want to keep them, then buy Dimir Aqueduct.
Halimar Depths - I would not use this over a basic land in your deck because you don't have lots of lands to find with your ramp, and the upside is not big enough for a tapped land that only produces one color.
Evolving Wilds/Terramorphic Expanse - These are a bit slow but they're good for colorfixing and they're great for Ramunap Excavator and Splendid Reclamation, as long as you have enough basics in your library.
Lumbering Falls - Manlands are not really worth it in commander unless you're have a lot of equipment, combat damage triggers or creature sacrifice.
Reliquary Tower - This is not a definite cut, but you don't want too many colorless lands in a three-color deck. Reliquary Tower is only necessary if you have lots of card draw and very little graveyard interaction, but since you have plenty of graveyard recursion, you should be fine without it.
Tectonic Edge - It's a good card, but I prefer using Ghost Quarter because you don't need to have any mana ready to be able to use it. Wasteland and Strip Mine are both strictly better, but expensive.
Temple of the False God - Not that great in three-color decks.
Jace, Memory Adept - Milling opponents with this guy is stupid, milling yourself is kind of decent but at 5 mana it's bad.
Kiora, the Crashing Wave - If you want it for the -1 (which is pretty good), just run Explore instead. Using it for the ultimate is stupid since your opponents have 3 turns to handle it and you're not getting any value from the +1.
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage - The -2 is not the worst, but at 5 mana and when you're blue it's not really worth it. Same as with Kiora, the Crashing Wave, you will never reach the ultimate against competent players and the +1 doesn't really give you any value. This one's worth some money, so sell it and buy better cards.
Archfiend of Depravity - The effect is not terrible but in practice it's less impactful than it seems. You can usually play around the ability or remove the creature if it's a huge problem.
Beastcaller Savant/Deathcap Cultivator/Elves of Deep Shadow - This deck has no reason running mana dorks other than Birds of Paradise and Deathrite Shaman, at most. Elves of Deep Shadow is not awful since it's 1 mana and colorfixes, but still not worth it.
Dimir Doppelganger - The main advantage to clones is that you can abuse strong ETBs, which this clone can't. Decent if you're two colors, not really if you're three.
Edric, Spymaster of Trest - This guy will more often enable your opponents than it will help you. Terrible card unless you're spamming tokens.
Forgotten Creation - Dumping cards into the graveyard is not bad, but CMC4, only in upkeep and discarding before drawing is awful.
Kruphix, God of Horizons - You need a lot of big mana dumps or a draw/go playstyle to justify using Kruphix, God of Horizons. Your commander is a mana dump but your limiting factor is going to be colored mana.
Solemn Simulacrum - Not awful, but there are better alternatives for ramp when you're in green. Could be worth keeping if you run a lot of clones for slightly better value compared to something like Wood Elves or Cultivate.
Torrent Elemental - Can blow out an opponent when you have a big board, but is very telegraphed and isn't very impactful on its own. Use Pathbreaker Ibex if you want better blowouts. The exile ability isn't great even if you delve him away, since you're still casting a mediocre creature for 5 mana.
Yahenni, Undying Partisan - Good when your deck is based around sacrifice and reanimation, but very out of place here.
Bounty of the Luxa - Slow ramp or slow card draw, but you can't choose which one you need right now. Better to use proper ramp and proper draw spells instead.
Deadbridge Chant - You can keep this if you like it because it's pretty fun. However, the random aspect and lack of impact until your upkeep is a bit too unreliable for 6 mana.
Perplex - Cards that give the opponent the final choice are generally bad, and this one isn't even good for its mana cost.
Spell Pierce - Good in faster combo-heavy metas, but not quite reliable enough in slower metas.
Unravel the Aether - This card is actually very good since it ignore indestructible, but it's worth considering if you'd rather have Nature's Claim for the mana cost or Krosan Grip for the utility, since I don't think you have room for all three in the deck.
In Garruk's Wake - Good card when you have the mana to use it, but 9 mana is a lot.
Increasing Ambition - I generally recommend against using tutors since games become very samey with them, but even then there are a lot of better tutors out there than this one.
Praetor's Grasp - Not as fun as Gonti, Lord of Luxury since looking at top 4 is more exciting than picking the best card for the situation, not as flexible either since you need the correct colors to cast things.
Dimir Signet/Golgari Signet/Simic Signet - Signets are good since they're cheap, can be used immediately and colorfix you, but in a slower meta they're prone to get board wiped away compared to land ramp, so they're not that great when you're green.
Gilded Lotus - People generally don't use spot removal on mana rocks, but the big and efficent ones like Gilded Lotus and Thran Dynamo sometimes do. You can use the mana immediately, but otherwise it's not much better than an Explosive Vegetation.