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Counter target enchantment, instant or sorcery spell. Its controller creates a 2/2 blue Bird creature token with flying.
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Swan Song Discussion
2 days ago
So you get infintie mana, then what? you're not really running any clean lines to actually just win the game. Walking Ballista + Conjurer's Bauble / Reconstruction is a good mana outlet that actually finishes the game. You also have loops you can form with Narset's Reversal and Timetwister to let you make infinite bird tokens with Swan Song .
You have quite a few expensive to cost cards which don't really add much to the deck - Blinkmoth Urn , Mycosynth Lattice , Ugin, the Ineffable and even Myr Battlesphere don't add enough value to the deck to warrant a spot IMO. Cards like Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal on the other hand provide the deck with a very fast an efficient infinite mana outlet with Urza.
3 days ago
Kynical: Yes, You want to cascade into Extract , then Timetwister , then Noxious Revival (which resets the loop) in that order. And if you hit the cards out of order, just choose not to cast with cascade.
As for the Timetwister loop with Swan Song , I'm guessing you would first run Timetwister and Noxious Revival with Lotus Petal to generate infintie mana which is unconstrained, and then execute the loop with Swan Song in hand which can counter (insert spell here) which you're using as birb fodder.
4 days ago
Kynical: The loop uses Extract as you can't cascade with The First Sliver at instant speed (which you need to make the Swan Song loop work). Remember that the mana generated from Food Chain is only accessible to cast creature spells.
4 days ago
fent Swan Song / Comeuppance for Mana Drain/Teferi's Protection. Scheming Symmetry / Diabolic Tutor for Vampiric Tutor/Imperial Seal. Prismatic Lens for Mana Crypt. I honestly can't think of anything that can replace Rings of Brighthearth ...probably something you'd have to save up to get eventually. For the lands, I would just replace them with the fastlands and basics. Hope this helps.
1 week ago
Swan Song is a good commander staple.
Arcane Denial is a good cantrip counterspell.
1 week ago
@ shadowmage When it comes to Aetherflux Reservoir consider this: at any point in the game where you will be going off and Reservoir would win you the game a dozen other less mana intensive options would also win. The card serves no utility purpose beyond winning the game as life gain in cEDH typically isn't relevant. And any opening hand in which you have it instead of something like Swan Song or Rapid Hybridization is going to be opening hand you are likely to have to mulligan. Using it in any cEDH deck at this point is typically a mistake as you sacrifice deck efficiency, consistency, and interactivity. A mana intensive dead card in 99% of situations is not a card you want to run against the most competitive and well tuned decks in the format.
1 week ago
I wound up cutting Blue Sun's Zenith and Stroke of Genius from my list. If I get them off Urza's exile ability they don't do anything as a win con which leaves me hard playing them (which I would be fine with in other decks, but this deck can win in so many ways as long as the engine is running) and usually playing them for "value" earlier in a game where the value I found in testing so far wasn't an ideal fit. If the deck is already pumping with it's engine and can loop the graveyard and library (with Narset's Reversal and Timetwister for example) then it can win just by looping a Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Swan Song or Chain of Vapor on Urza repeatedly. All of those spells double as interaction as well as win cons and are lower on the curve than BSZ and SoG. Likewise, I found Jace, Wielder of Mysteries to be essentially a dead card at all points. Instead I've found that changing more of those card slots into just being things that start the engine running was more useful.
Also something to think about on the Null Rod note: Karn, the Great Creator accomplishes the same effective task of shutting off opposing artifacts while also doubling as resiliency and removal. If an opponent exiles Paradox Engine or your other artifact based combo pieces you can grab them back from exile (face up or down exile to boot!). If you just don't want your opponents to have a zero cmc artifact then you can plus Karn and send that Mana Crypt to the crypt. Sure it was already turned off, but if they kill Karn later that Mana Crypt won't turn back on while Null Rod can't say the same. Having the same stax effect, but asymmetrical by design, attached to better utility totally justified the higher cmc in my book and it has worked well for me so far in testing.
I'm working with this list here: Looper, if you'd care to have a look and drop some thoughts or maybe find some inspiration.
1 week ago
Sol Ring Mox Opal Thran Dynamo Basalt Monolith Grim Monolith Mox Amber Gilded Lotus Mana Crypt Mana Vault Worn Powerstone Hedron Archive Dreamstone Hedron Fellwar Stone Fractured Powerstone Mind Stone Thought Vessel Sky Diamond
Solemn Simulacrum Ornithopter Memnite Clever Impersonator Phyrexian Metamorph Etherium Sculptor Master Transmuter Metalworker Kuldotha Forgemaster Myr Retriever Scrap Trawler Junk Diver Myr Sire Trinket Mage Treasure Mage Trophy Mage Palladium Myr Hangarback Walker Sai, Master Thopterist Phyrexian Walker Shimmer Myr Foundry Inspector Dross Scorpion Workshop Assistant Cathodion
Jester's Cap Memory Jar Scroll Rack Voltaic Key Clock of Omens Thousand-Year Elixir Myr Turbine Rings of Brighthearth Tezzeret the Seeker Mycosynth Lattice Unwinding Clock Sculpting Steel Mirage Mirror Grafdigger's Cage Caged Sun Extraplanar Lens Gauntlet of Power
Swan Song occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.02%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.17%
GU (Simic): 0.98%
UR (Izzet): 0.83%
UB (Dimir): 1.11%
WU (Azorius): 1.57%
WUB (Esper): 0.78%
GWU (Bant): 0.59%
BUG (Sultai): 0.77%
UBR (Grixis): 0.82%