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Mountain Valley enters the battlefield tapped.
, Sacrifice Mountain Valley: Search your library for a Mountain or Forest card and put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library.
Mountain Valley Discussion
2 days ago
A budget manabase in 5 colours is hard. multimedia's advice above is pretty good. Another option is using the cheaper dual-type lands, like Cinder Glade and Sheltered Thicket , with the Mirage fetchlands ( Bad River , Flood Plain , Grasslands , Mountain Valley and Rocky Tar Pit ).
The problem with using these is they all enter the battlefield tapped most of the time.
2 months ago
You've correctly identified some methods already used (signets, dorks) which are extremely common in decks. This is because they 1) ramp 2) color fix 3) spread mana across permanent types to avoid getting wiped. You should DEFINITELY run the signets/talismans and available dorks, they are so incredibly efficient at what they do and at very low real dollar cost, and are diversified to avoid getting totally wiped. I know you want more lands but also consider Armageddon only costs $4 and has already had so many printings and you will see it in competitive decks and other low-tuner competitive decks. If you run Blood Moon on a budget, absolutely run the talismans and signets I can't stress that enough.
However, being a budget boy who wants to go fast myself, I've stumbled across similar questions before, so I'm more than willing to share what I've gleaned. You pretty much want cards that WILL come down turn 1 or 2, cards that give free stuff for cheap $$$, or or pump up those basic land #'s. You may also notice that in typical Blood Pod lists, there aren't that many red cards or red mana sources, and that many of my recommendations are green. You're going to want to weight your colors so red is a smaller part and to run very few red lands because all your nonbasics become Mountains, so run your nonbasics to include a red splash and then run more forests.
It is a Rampant Growth on legs that can block-then-sac on annoying early creatures like Tymna the Weaver . Brings you to a basic so works with BM, it can swing to get Tymna triggers. It spiked a while ago but its still decently cheap to buy.
Nature's Lore is the best of these three, as the forest enters untapped and it can grab shocklands with a Forest type if you dont have BM out. Growth gives the most utility by giving you any basic land for BM. Farseek gives any but a forest, but you have to make a green to cast it so you've got at least one green somehow. These are extremely playable fixer/ramp cards on a budget and are really going to help you with a budget Blood Moon land base. I recommend these over the 3 CMC counterparts Cultivate Kodama's Reach because they come out a turn faster so far lower chance you're going to get staxed out. They curve extremely well into having 4 mana on turn 3 (Tana on turn 3?), as opposed to using all your turn 3 mana for a big turn 4. They also raise the amount of keepable hands you will have, as 2 mana + growth gets you to Tymna, while 2 mana + Cultivate is a mulligan more times. They're even enjoyable to see sometimes late game after MLD.
Insane color fixing and it cantrips, the only problem is you have to run snow-basics instead. If you happen to have enough snow basics laying around, this is a very solid bet for color fixing.
One of these is much cheaper to purchase, so I highly recommend that one. Fixes and cantrips, you really don't mind drawing them late at all.
Color fixer and ramper, works real well with BM. Just add creatures.
If you have them, they will deck thin + get you to the correct basic land. I know fetchlands are expensive, so also consider that there is a lesser known cycle of mirage ETB tapped fetchlands, while definitely worse, are much cheaper. Sleeper cards tagged for your convenience Flood Plain Bad River Rocky Tar Pit Mountain Valley Grasslands . Also DEFINITELY run Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse if you don't already. More sleeper fetches that might interest you Krosan Verge Thawing Glaciers
Nice replacements for Mox Opal and Mox Diamond . They let you hit signets/talismans/growths/big dorks on turn 1. They help you escape from underneath Trinisphere or Sphere of Resistance . They are slot intensive, but with Tymna in command zone to guarantee draws I would also highly recommend these. These will be invaluable in helping you get a stronger start than more expensive opposing stax decks. They're a small hit to the wallet but once again, fraction of the price of Opal/Diamond.
I didn't see these listed in the OP or in comments, so I definitely wanted to bring them up. Work extremely well to accelerate and color fix, they also work with Blood Moon . They're enchantments so it gives extra diversity from creatures/artifacts against wipes. Works extremely well with Arbor Elf and Voyaging Satyr
Tutors basic land of your choice to your hand. There are a couple downsides though 1) Doesn't ramp you at all 2) Most cards with landcycling aren't very good for the actual spell. Landcycling does have a few big perks though 1) its an activated ability, which makes it MUCH harder to interact with and mostly immune to stax effects 2) minor bonus utility of actually playing the card 3) it will become a land eventually so it dodges more hate than other permanent types. This would be effective if you had other strong stax decks in your meta, or a crazy amount of counterspells, but otherwise I'd try one of the other ones I listed first.
2 months ago
Umm, well I can't offer my exact land selection to you as it involves revised duals I can say this:
Fetches are your friend, seriously. In a 5 color deck having fetches rarely make me sad, so I would run the full contingent:
There are Mirage fetches as well, a whole friendly color cycle of them, they are 'slow' but they can still grab shock lands, and cost no life: Rocky Tar Pit , Bad River , Flood Plain , Grasslands , Mountain Valley These also have the benefit of being absurdly cheap. That being said, if you do not have access to these, I'll offer some other suggestions.
Go up to 42-44 lands. Sure the curve hits 3/4, but I don't think the ideal is to hit 4 lands and be pleased with life, so I would suggest adding lands, and increasing consistency by removing some of the etb tapped lands:
Here are some 'simple' 1:1 conversions for cards I think would suit the deck better.
Honestly I hate the Terminate and some of the other choices but I am exhausted so I thought I would offer some help as opposed to trying to offer more and simply not posting.
2 months ago
I'm putting it in my gitrog deck so that I can utterly abuse all the oldschool lands (most ETB tapped). https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/environmental-abuse-just-make-it-stop/
All of a sudden Havenwood Battleground doesn't seem like a POS. cast, sac, use Crucible of Worlds , recast 2-3x. That is at least the sorta abuse I use it for. Also Oldschool Mirage fetches like Mountain Valley are suddenly better than twin redhead dentists.
2 months ago
Since you have krosan verge, I would put in Mountain Valley as well. Ghost Town is great with Burgeoning. Blast Zone is a good utility land. Pir's Whim is a great land tutor. How are the man lands doing for you? I am not a huge fan of them, they don't really help out the game plan and get worse when you have multiple opponents.
3 months ago
If you got the Sultai C19 precon then you have Seedborn Muse and it's repeatable untap effect is very good here because it can untap lands on each opponents' turns.
Budget cards ($2 or less each) to consider adding:
- Cinder Glade : Wood Elves , Yavimaya Dryad and Mountain Valley can fetch this land.
- Sheltered Thicket : same as Glade.
- Hanweir Battlements : haste enabler.
- Game Trail
- Naya Panorama
- Temple of Abandon
3 months ago
Speaking as something of an EDH sadist, you should run Curiosity . Enchanting Niv-Mizzet, Parun and then drawing a card creates a loop, provided you continue targeting opponents with the ping. Unfortunately, in EDH you're usually going to have to deal 120 damage to win, and this loop only works so long as you have cards in your library. So in all likelihood, you'll only kill one and a half opponents. You can end the loop by targeting a creature (including your general, if he's the only one on the field), in order to not deck yourself.
One solution to this is to add Timetwister effects. The card itself is in excess of $2,000 these days, so, if you have that kind of money, just buy a small boat. Consider Day's Undoing , Diminishing Returns , Clear the Mind or Time Spiral in addition to your Echo of Eons ... If you cast these after drawing your deck with the Curiosity loop, you can continue shooting people.
Completely shifting gears, I love that you're running Ponder and Brainstorm . Xerox cantrips like these dig you to what you need and past what you don't. Preordain is similarly busted, and Brainstorm goes from good to great with shuffle effects like your Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse . The Zendikar/Onslaught fetches, like Scalding Tarn or Flooded Strand , are the gold standard here, though they do tend to be very expensive. Slow fetches, like Bad River or Mountain Valley , are similar, cheaper, and still powerful. Faithless Looting is a great card in EDH, as it is in many ways a red Preordain . If you want to go the combo-route, Gitaxian Probe is great for checking for enemy counter-magic.
Dig Through Time is similar to the above suggested Treasure Cruise . I suggest running one or the other, but not both; delve tends to get in its own way, if there're too many delve cards in the deck. Since Dig Through Time sees more cards, if you want to use the Curiosity loop, I think it's better; if you have ethical qualms about infinite loops in EDH, Treasure Cruise is better in that it provides more card-advantage.
A similar source of card-advantage is Mystic Remora . Landing this one turn one can slow down your opponents if you have a slower hand, and in more inexperienced metas it can easily be an Ancestral Recall or two. It's similar effect to your Rhystic Study with a higher cost on the trigger means you can get some real value fast.
Your artifact-ramp can use some work. Chrome Mox is great if you draw your deck and need to cast a Timetwister effect, though it is $40-ish. Talisman of Creativity is extremely powerful, as is Prismatic Lens , Fellwar Stone , the soon-to-release Arcane Signet , Thought Vessel and Coldsteel Heart . In general, two-mana ramp is a lot better than three-mana ramp in EDH, as once you hit three mana you should be trying to do more powerful things. Mana Vault is good for casting Thousand-Year Storm early.
One card I think would be fun to try is Goblin Welder . He lets you reanimate your Inkwell Leviathan for cheap, if you discard it early in the game. Wurmcoil Engine is a great card to sac-recur, as its splitting in two means you end up, over time, netting more and more artifacts to the field. However, this synergy is very slow if you can't untap your Goblin Welder . One thing to consider that is often forgotten with Goblin Welder is that you can use it to target your opponents' stuff. If you're facing down a Blightsteel Colossus and it's controller has an artifact in the 'yard, you can make your opponent sac the Blightsteel and return the (presumably less powerful) artifact.
Depending on your meta, you may want to consider Pyroclasm , Anger of the Gods , Kozilek's Return , etc. These are cheaper than your Mizzium Mortars , and if you're careful you can avoid killing your own dudes.
Presumably, after the first game or two your opponents will start trying to kill your general on sight. Increased cheap interaction will protect him and maintain any advantage you have; Swan Song , Turn Aside , Dispel , Spell Snare , Spell Pierce or even Mental Misstep (in some metas) are all worth considering.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
4 months ago
Have you considered a reanimator package? Running Entomb / Faithless Looting / Buried Alive with Reanimate / Animate Dead / Dance of the Dead / Necromancy / Exhume would let you get Sire Of Insanity out real fast. Legacy reanimator decks often revolve around that play.
Talisman of Indulgence , Fire Diamond , Charcoal Diamond , Coldsteel Heart , Mind Stone , Thought Vessel and Fellwar Stone are good for ramp. Arcane Signet is coming out soon, and will be really good, too. Ancient Tomb is at a low-ish price these days, and is worth an include if you have access to it.
Mountain Valley occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%