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, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice Verdant Catacombs: Search your library for a Swamp or Forest card and put it onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library.
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Verdant Catacombs Discussion
1 day ago
3 days ago
The problem with the article (and this has been pointed out all over the place over the years every time it gets posted) is that it assumes everything in a vacuum. It ignores that life is a resource.
For example, suppose I lose next turn to my opponent's infinite combo and the only way I can win is if I do so on my current turn. In that case, paying all but 1 of my life total to gain a even a 1% chance of drawing the card I need to execute my own combo is worth it. If I'm playing Storm and sitting at 4 life, paying 3 of that life to go grab a Steam Vents before I try to draw a card is worth it.
This is done at multiple instances throughout the game because I can only play one land a turn. So with the example of Storm in Modern, if I'm going up against another fast deck like Death's Shadow, Burn, or another combo deck, I can map out the number of cards my opponent can play.
So let's continue by taking a look at Burn. It can do 4 damage with Boros Charm. 2 damage a turn with Goblin Guide is one of its more efficient means of damage. Monastery Swiftspear does a lot of damage but is limited by the mana available. Atarka's Command likely does the most damage. A resolved Eidolon of the Great Revel is enough to kill me on its own. What's the fastest way that a burn deck can kill me, as a Storm player?
Hitting a land drop each turn is ideal for the Burn player. If they hit 4 lands and nothing but spells, they should be able to do 20 damage by turn 4.
So with 7 starting cards and then 4 turns being on the draw, they have 11 cards total. 4 of those are lands, meaning they get 7 of their burn spells. The absolute nuts is if they get multiple Goblin Guides and Atarka's Command. So:
Turn one: Goblin Guide, attack for 2 (18 life remaining).
Turn two: Cast another Goblin Guide, attack for 4 (14 life remaining). Cast Lightning Bolt (11 life remaining).
Turn three: Monastery Swiftspear -> Atarka's Command for 3 to the face (8 life remaining), pump the team, attack for 9 (0 life remaining).
That's 21 damage by turn 3, with the Burn player getting a strong draw. So if I'm on the play, and I know I take 21 damage by the Burn player's turn 3, that means the most life I can pay of my own is 10. That's because it's what keeps me alive at the end of turn 2. If I pay even 1 life, I'm dead on turn 3 regardless of what else I play. Because of this, any life I pay by turn 3 is irrelevant.
So if my opening hand has only 2 Misty Rainforest, but I need , then I'm going to pay at least 2 life to fetch a pair of Steam Vents. If I have to fetch and shock twice, I go to 14. I'm dead when my opponent gets their turn three, so I decide to combo off. Part way through my combo, I draw Scalding Tarn and Island. I can still play a land and I only need to get , so I can play the Island. However, since I know I'm dead the following turn, I may as well pay the life to use Scalding Tarn, even if it only improves my draw by 0.000000000000001%.
This is a long, convoluted example, but I hope it illustrates my point. Life is a resource. Games more often that not depend on certain life total breakpoints (in our Burn example, it goes 18 -> 13 -> 1). Using a fetch to thin out your deck in those cases makes the smallest percent worth it.
The times where the article is correct is when looking at a meta that does random amounts of damage each turn and you're playing Mono-Red Burn. It's better off to play nothing but basic Mountains, even if the option of fetches is there. That's because you'll never be in a situation where paying life to improve your chances will be relevant.
Even then, sometimes the shuffling itself becomes a relevant resource. Or you want to fill your graveyard (Grim Lavamancer being the go to example). But most of the time, it comes down to mana fixing. Because fetchlands can grab dual lands, they open up all 5 colors without any issues. If you rely just on dual lands, you may draw all of your spells, but only your lands. If those lands were Verdant Catacombs? It's no longer an issue because you can go get your Taiga or Badlands.
This becomes even more obvious against decks with few actual win conditions. Sneak and Show is going to attack me with either Griselbrand, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Ashen Rider, or all of the above. Scapeshift is going to kill me with Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle. Once you know the threshold for when these decks can kill you, crossing that threshold means any life you pay from fetchlands makes the deck thinning worth it.
Edit: I should mention, my point is that "Fetches are good for thinning your deck" is a correct statement. This is only clear if you take the time to think about why. But once you do, it's obvious and becomes second nature to most players.
4 days ago
I like this a lot. One suggestion is to add Verdant Catacombs, to trigger revolt for Fatal Push. While not a lot of creatures above 2 cmc in Modern but it still helps.
1 week ago
Secondly, I'm still on the fence if Blood Moon should be in the main or in the side. Personally, I like it side because you would like your colors even after Blood Moon is out, which forces you to have at least 1-2 Swamp and one Forest, which restricts your early game, but hey... let's work with this!
As for the mana-base, I would say:
2x Bloodstained Mire (possibly flip numbers with Foothills depending on cuts)
3x Forest (possibly lower depending on cuts)
1x Overgrown Tomb (2 if you move moon to the side)
1x Blood Crypt
so that is 24, which, with 4x 4-drops, is right around where you want to be.. Even though you are playing Blood Moon, you are going to want a decent amount of Man-Lands as, with typical Jund fashion, you will probably be top-decking later in the game, and will want to push damage if you don't hit the Blood Moon. With that said, we need to cut 2 from the main going form 22 -> 24.
Now let's talk about Noble Hierarch. Personally, I say cut it, as it seems underwhelming if not in your opener, and cascading into it is meh (it does give Exalted though...), but if you do keep it (because a T2 Lilly into T3 BBE is BROKEN), make it a 4-of and possibly cut a land to 23. If you cut it, maybe add another Grim Flayer or another Liliana of the Veil to make up for the one extra cut.
Let me say, Grim Flayer is ridiculous with Bloodbraid Elf, so maybe make that a 4-of and move Tireless Tracker to the board. I get it is color intensive, so the decision is, as always, ultimately up to you.
Let me also say that discard and conditional removal seems to be going down in priority with Bloodbraid Elf, so I wouldn't be opposed to going to 4x discard and maybe 2x Fatal Push for another Terminate or Dreadbore or Abrupt Decay (ehhhhh). Plus, that frees up your reliance on Swamp so earlier Forest doesn't seem that bad (to get there with BBE through a Blood Moon).
The sideboard - SPICY. Personally, i say cut the white and have more sideboard slots for what you really want to do, but I cannot say the BBE into Lingering Souls isn't tempting. Id remove the Surgical Extraction and add another Nihil Spellbomb and one Grafdigger's Cage because I feel that combo is low in priority right now, but that depends on your meta. Anger of the Gods also feels outclassed by Damnation, but I cannot argue against the Exile part - once again, meta dependent.
All in all, this seems to be fun! if you want to check out my BBE deck for some explenations, feel free... Junding Them w/ BBE... Good Luck!
1 week ago
First off, +1 for the brew. I wanted so hard for this to work for the past few years, and with the unbanning of Jace, the Mind Sculptor, it may actually happen.
I would agree, Field of Ruin is a very greedy card in this deck. I would much rather it be 1x Swamp and 1x Watery Grave or even a Breeding Pool for the ability to get double blue off of double Verdant Catacombs. I feel you just get decimated by opposing Field of Ruins in the land base, and personally I run 4 basics minimum because of the prevalence of the card. But it all depends on the meta game. It also can be said that "hey, I get to shuffle off of brainstorms with Jace", so i can see why it is a possible include. Also, I think the Twilight Mire may want to be a Sunken Ruins for the Jace, the Mind Sculptors
On another note, I'm not completly sold on splashing white. While I agree Lingering Souls is a spectacular card, I just feel that the splash isn't worth it. With this build of midrangy Sultai, maybe another Abrupt Decay, remove the Collective Brutality-s to the side, and run some Serum Visions to ensure gas. If you go that rout, maybe think about Darkslick Shores for the fast lands.
Other than that, I'm excited to see where this goes! Good luck!
1 week ago
I really like this deck. I especially like the Infect theme as I've always had an interest in the who Infect Mechanic. The Only Thing I would recommend is a fetchland such as Evolving Wilds or Verdant Catacombs so it will trigger the landfall ability on Groundswell more.
Here is mine: BUR Grixis Control
1 week ago
1 week ago
Maybe some of these?
- Command Tower
- Reliquary Tower
- Reflecting Pool
- Rogue's Passage
- Mosswort Bridge
- Treetop Village
- Gavony Township
- Horizon Canopy
- Windswept Heath
- Temple Garden
- Verdant Catacombs
- Overgrown Tomb
- Marsh Flats
- Godless Shrine
- Grim Backwoods
- Tainted Wood
- Llanowar Wastes
- Caves of Koilos
- Svogthos, the Restless Tomb
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- Temple of Malady
- Temple of Plenty
- Temple of Silence
- Westvale Abbey Flip (especially if you run a Mycoloth)