Miren, the Moaning Well

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Modern Legal
Legacy Legal
Vintage Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal

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Saviors of Kamigawa Rare

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Miren, the Moaning Well

Legendary Land

: Add to your mana pool.

, , Sacrifice a creature: You gain life equal to the sacrificed creature's toughness.

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Miren, the Moaning Well Discussion

APPLE01DOJ on MBC

2 weeks ago

How about adding in a 3rd Abyssal Persecutor? I'd cut a Inquisition of Kozilek for it and cut a Thoughtseize for a Collective Brutality.

Miren, the Moaning Well would be good here.

enpc on PartyJ

3 weeks ago

Yeah, it's a possible move. I don't know how good Reki is outside of combo though, but it doesn't seem bad.

That being said though, I think you should look at adding Talisman of Unity and Inventors' Fair. Ultimately, even your goal of using Paradox Engine is to enable your infinite combo and both of these help do that.

Also, don't forget that you will have Captain Sisay + Paradox Engine + Miren, the Moaning Well + Voyaging Satyr + Kozilek, Butcher of Truth + dorks as a card advantage engine. While expensive and requiring a bunch of pieces, most of those are tutorable by Sisay and are enablers towards your end goal anyway.

Profet93 on Captain my Captain, Lead us to Victory!

3 weeks ago

slashoom

I'm trying to understand how Selvala, Heart of the Wilds is bonkers in this deck. Since I'm running mana dorks, I'm not going to have many high powered creatures, so I feel my opponents will be getting more card draw than I am. His second ability does seem pretty nice though, especially with paradox engine. Nevertheless, could you explain specifically how this card would compliment this deck?

Avacyn saved me last night so she is in to stay. Dragonlord Dramoka never helped me, but I might put it back in when and if people get wise to my shenanigans. I took out Sigarda because my friend plays a Meren sac deck and I felt it was too mean to shut down his only hope of killing me on turn 4-5. Might bring it back given the meta.

I'm keeping Miren, the Moaning Well, especially to help with Academy Rector or just prevent creature stealing and gaining life. Fyndhorn Elves is already in the deck.

Lotus Cobra seems cool, I'm just not sure about how much landfall there is in the deck. Do you still think he deserves a spot? Wouldn't a mana dork be better? Same question with Azusa, Lost but Seeking. I run 38 lands (which i suppose is average?). I could see it helping early game, but late game doesn't hold much value. Same question, wouldn't a mana dork be better?

Green Sun's Zenith and Dryad Arbor seem like fun. I am a little hesitant towards adding it because the Arbor can't tap for mana the turn he comes down since it has summoning sickness, unless I'm mistaken.

slashoom on Captain my Captain, Lead us to Victory!

3 weeks ago

Profet93

Good stuff. This type of brewing is always really helpful. I'm going to work my way backwards through your post.

I use Thalia 2.0 since it slows down early game a lot more for my opponents and has 0 effect on me. Selvala, Heart of the Wilds IS YOUR #1 TUTOR TARGET. I initially thought this card was just gonna be okay, boy was I wrong. This card is an absolute beast. Its better than Rofellos ever was. It might as well read. "Draw a card each turn and tap to give you tons of mana of any color." It's that good.

For me, I would never remove Avacyn or Dromoka. Dromoka guarantees you can combo off, no one can stop you. And Avacyn is a house. Don't worry to much about average CMC since you are generating big mana anyway. I like Sigarda, but that is a meta choice. We have a ton of sac in my meta.

Don't forget you have Miren, the Moaning Well. That is your reliable sac outlet, and all you really need.

Use all the 1 cost mana dorks you can (If you haven't already). This includes Joraga, since his level is free next turn. I think you missed Fyndhorn Elves. Also check out Lotus Cobra, he's a boss. So is Azusa. There is also the super cheesy Green Sun's Zenith Dryad Arbor combo turn 1.

I really need to do a deck tech for my Sisay, I've been wanting too for awhile. I'll let you know when I post it.

slashoom on Captain my Captain, Lead us to Victory!

3 weeks ago

Profet93

Good stuff. This type of brewing is always really helpful. I'm going to work my way backwards through your post.

I use Thalia 2.0 since it slows down early game a lot more for my opponents and has 0 effect on me. Selvala, Heart of the Wilds IS YOUR #1 TUTOR TARGET. I initially thought this card was just gonna be okay, boy was I wrong. This card is an absolute beast. Its better than Rofellos ever was. It might as well read. "Draw a card each turn and tap to give you tons of mana of any color." It's that good.

For me, I would never remove Avacyn or Dromoka. Dromoka guarantees you can combo off, no one can stop you. And Avacyn is a house. Don't worry to much about average CMC since you are generating big mana anyway. I like Sigarda, but that is a meta choice. We have a ton of sac in my meta.

Don't forget you have Miren, the Moaning Well. That is your reliable sac outlet, and all you really need.

Use all the 1 cost mana dorks you can (If you haven't already). This includes Joraga, since his level is free next turn. I think you missed Fyndhorn Elves. Also check out Lotus Cobra, he's a boss. So is Azusa. There is also the super cheesy Green Sun's Zenith Dryad Arbor combo turn 1.

I really need to do a deck tech for my Sisay, I've been wanting too for awhile. I'll let you know when I post it.

RamaLama on It's Not Easy Being Green

1 month ago

That might be a good idea, Emzed. In addition to the two ways you mentioned, I could also sac it to High Market or Miren, the Moaning Well. Not the reason any of those cards are in the deck, but yeah...

Something to think about, but I'll have to order a Genesis, I don't currently have one.

enpc on [List - Multiplayer] EDH Generals by Tier

1 month ago

sonnet666: Thank you for your kind words :D it's good to know I'm heading the right direction.

I will definately be keeping my Wrath of God Alter (I need to get a higher res version of it done). Also, as a side note, I finally got the D.Va cute spray last night, thank you Zarya for ulting next to my mech :P

I'm not sure if I will do a primer for this one or just a simple breakdown and link to the primer in my main one (and from my main one to this deck). The other thing is that the primer is a quite out of date. I was thinking of talking about different builds in the new version I've been writing (for the last 12 months, real life has been super busy this last year) and then just talking about the basics of the combo in the cEDH one.

As for the deck itself, I had considered including Crucible of Worlds / Wasteland / Tectonic Edge (which is better than Dust Bowl) but was on the fence about it. Could be worth including though. Miren, the Moaning Well is just another sac outlet on a land which is super usefule for things liek Academy Rector.

Mikokoro and Selvala are carry-overs to help deal with opponent's reshuffle effects. I'm not sure how common these are so I thought I would leave them in (at worst Mikokoro is a colourless land) and with typically lower land counts, Selvala should be tapping for ~3 mana a hit. Though I am open to ideas for replacements.

sonnet666 on [List - Multiplayer] EDH Generals by Tier

1 month ago

illumfolly, needs Infernal Darkness, and I'd prefer if you had a gameplan beyond "make things come back from the yard a lot." Can you think of any combos that fit? Mike&Trike might work, especially since Triskelion can function with Shirei to clear out your opponent's boards in between turns, but the deck would need more of a reanimator subtheme to support it. You can definitely cut a lot of the 3 and 4 mana stuff, like Disciple of Phenax and Falkenrath Noble.

enpc that is exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned making alternate lists. You did a great job of streamlining and not being attached to cards or lines of play, which can be really difficult when evaluating your own deck, so good job, really nice work.

I think the cards you cut are also really great examples of how paper lists often look different than in-theory, competitive, "optimized" lists. There are certain cards that are super fun and interactive to play with in real life, like Titania or Gift of Immortality from your list, that you don't want to cut from you deck because of advantages they afford you, the player, like fun or meta advantages, but become slightly outclassed when you move into a vacuum with no budget, where all you're trying to do is just win as quickly as you can. That doesn't mean it wrong or non-competitive for players to play those cards, just like players aren't non-competitive if their decks don't look exactly like the lists posted here. It just just means that the cards they're playing are affording them different advantages than what is generally considered optimal.

Anyway, discourse over, you should totally port your primer over to the new list, or link back to your other decklist, or both. (Also, I love your Wrath of God alter, definitely keep that included.)

Lastly, and this may just be me, but I totally think you could keep Crucible of Worlds in the streamlined version, especially if you freed up some u-land slots for Wasteland, Tectonic Edge and maybe Dust Bowl. Do you really need Mikokoro, Center of the Sea and Miren, the Moaning Well? The life isn't really worthwhile, and the Altar of Dementia combo kills people just as easily when you pass the turn. Also, neither Mikokoro or Selvala are really card advantage like you say in your primer, they're card parity. Card advantage, at least in my book, is only when you get more cards than your opponents.

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