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Gavony Township Discussion
2 days ago
4-8 is the typical number of removal spells decks run. Path to Exile is the card of choice. I've never invested the $$ in it personally.
In terms of lands, you want to look at a few things: 1) what color, if any is most common in the mana cost of your 1 and 2 CMC spells. 2) what color(s) dominate your color wheel 3) how much money do you want to spend. In many cases, 6 dual lands is enough. If you go with Sunpetal Grove , you'd want to keep pretty many basic lands for it to be worth it. I forgot to mention Razorverge Thicket - that's a fantastic land, too. Canopy Vista is nice if you have spells that specify "forest," but otherwise there are better options. I've been experimenting with combining bounce lands with scry lands lately (for budget grins) IE - Selesnya Sanctuary + Temple of Plenty - it's not particularly good, but with Voyaging Satyr it's not bad. The point is that for the deck it's in, Selesnya Sanctuary 's bounce is actually helpful ( Quicksilver Fountain / Eternity Vessel ) - so it's a good land for that deck. You should think of your land-base not only as a source of mana, but as a versatile mechanic entwined with the rhythm of the deck. If you're going up against opponents bringing stuff back from their graveyard, Scavenger Grounds could be added to the mainboard, but 4x Scavenging Ooze in the sideboard is way better. (in reference to your exile vs destroy comment). I can't believe I forgot this one, but Gavony Township is a no-brainer here if you can afford it. (1x)
I think it's better to put down a creature on T1 than it is to play Hardened Scales. My white +1/+1 counter deck Cocaine plays much faster than any mono-green or selesnya build I've tried, and I've tried quite a few: Engorged Weenies, Sage of counters, Nuclear Proliferation, Elvish Dividends, Counter-Elves, Simestrogen, Spinach, Obese Americans - as you can see, I've included varying number of Hardened Scales in each of these (and I've tested them unevenly) - but the reason I haven't tested more is because the mono-white Cocaine build sets the bar pretty high. It's the fastest, most resilient, and consistent so far. I keep trying to make a green or selesnya deck that matches it, but so far, it's been underwhelming. One of the reasons being that green doesn't have the quality 1CMC creatures white has. A 3/3 creature on T2 isn't as good as a 2/3 and a 2/2 with first strike and vigilance on T2. That is, missing a creature drop on T1 is a pretty serious sacrifice. Modern is a pretty fast format. It's not difficult to build a deck that combos off on T3. I build a lot decks here to explore possibilities. One of the strange conclusions I've come to is that Hardened Scales is too slow. (I realize this is counter-intuitive, to say the least and that there are probably a lot of people that would want to fight me about it.) Long story short, I'd encourage you to search very hard for as many 1CMC counter creatures and to include at least 4, if not 6-8.
Also, add Metallic Mimic to the list of benefits to tribal +1/+1 counters, though I think this spell is also over-valued - it's really not very good by T4. It's both slow and timing-sensitive.
1 week ago
Do I really need to have four storage lands in this deck? Mage-Ring Network is a great card, but, given that this is a four-colored deck, it may not be as useful as the other storage lands, and I really would like to put Gavony Township back in this deck.
Also, I am considering replacing Recoil with Generous Gift , since recoil is useful only if the owner of the permanent that it targets has no cards in their hand (because they could simply discard another card and re-summon that permanent), but white is already overwhelmingly the most prominent color in this deck, and I wish to have greater balance among the colors, and I do not wish to use Beast Within , because it is a blatant violation of the color pie. Does anyone have any feedback to offer regarding that issue?
2 weeks ago
(This is the guy from Ron's Comic World)
My first suggestion is to adjust your mana base to address the cost-differences between your colors. According to the graph, over half your colored costs are green costs. Adding more Forest s and fewer plains/ Swamp s may be helpful.
My second suggestion concerns dorks. One-mana creatures that provide you with mana are gas from turn one; adding Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Elves of Deep Shadow , Avacyn's Pilgrim , Elvish Mystic and Deathrite Shaman could all accelerate your deck significantly. If you choose to run a dork like Arbor Elf , Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth also become significantly better. Putting in the creature acceleration should allow you to cut 2-3 lands from your final list, as well as making a card like Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip better.
Regarding card draw: The majority of EDH games are decided by card advantage. Mentor of the Meek is worth considering, especially if you choose to run the mana dorks I mentioned above. Slate of Ancestry is pretty good if you poop out a load of creatures with cards like Mycoloth . Harmonize , Grim Flowering , Ambition's Cost and Painful Truths are all good one-shot methods to recoup card advantage; Twilight Prophet is good in addition to your Phyrexian Arena .
Being Abzan, you have access to a bunch of cards most opponents will hate. Gaddock Teeg is a great way to hold off opposing board wipes, as it turns off Damnation , Wrath of God , Supreme Verdict , Blasphemous Act and the like. Aven Mindcensor hoses some decks, and makes your Path to Exile better. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Glowrider and Vryn Wingmare are all good if your deck can produce excess mana. Alms Collector is good for hating on mass-draw combo decks.
I see a lot of one-for-ones in your list. In EDH, you're facing 2-4 opponents, and therefore that many more cards. Things like Mortify and Putrefy are good, but they are not great; I suggest running more two-for-ones. Ashes to Ashes , Grasp of Fate , Back to Nature , Liliana's Triumph (if you're not facing dork-heavy decks), and Syphon Mind are all good options. Swords to Plowshares is one of the few one-for-ones I think is really good in EDH, if only because it's so flippin' efficient.
I don't think Massacre Girl is a good card; something like Wrath of God , Toxic Deluge or Damnation may be better. Merciless Eviction is good, but being six mana may be relatively detrimental. If you want, Cataclysm is a... good card. Though you may, if you have a significant conscience, consider not running it.
Demonic Tutor , which you run, is the gold standard, but cards like Eladamri's Call are good too. Green Sun's Zenith may be helpful, especially if you run Dryad Arbor to fetch turn one, and GSZ can grab your Reclamation Sage if you need it. Similarly, you may want to consider Finale of Devastation and Chord of Calling are options, and Bane of Progress is another good target.
Gavony Township is probably good in your list; choosing to run something like Knight of the Reliquary gives you access to it fast. Crop Rotation is another option. You could probably run 1 or 2 more utility lands like Blast Zone , Maze of Ith or Bojuka Bog to compliment this package.
Recovering from a boardwipe is hard in creature-decks. I suggest Second Sunrise or Faith's Reward , as these both negate the effect of Wrath effects on you while also being able to bounce back creatures you sacrificed earlier.
Walking Ballista may be helpful, if only because it can shoot blockers out of the way. Running it in conjunction with Basilisk Collar becomes pretty busted. Woodfall Primus , Puppeteer Clique , and Kitchen Finks are all good options, especially since -1/-1 counters cancel out with a +1/+1 counter. Running these with Ashnod's Altar or an added Viscera Seer makes their effects recur indefinitely. Pairing Woodfall Primus or Kitchen Finks with Cathars' Crusade can simply end the game.
Proliferate effects will be good here. I expect Evolution Sage would be busted in this deck, and Contagion Clasp / Contagion Engine are good, too. Sword of Truth and Justice (from Modern Horizons) is also worth running, though it may be hard-ish to get ahold of for the first few months after the set drops.
All of the cards in your 'Maybeboard' are worth running. If/when you get ahold of them, you should run them.
All the best, and good luck.
4 weeks ago
The core components of hardened scales are expensive because they don't have good replacements, but that doesn't mean you are out of luck.
The big secret to 'upgrade paths' is that its often cheaper to look at the expensive cards and see what decks you can build with them, then build an entire deck around the next bunch you get in rather than trying to keep running the same strategy.
If I was looking at starting with scales and foothills, I'd look at an Abzan Gavony Township / Karn's Bastion 'counters matter' deck- the golgari hydras list would be a good start for the kind of cards to look at- creatures that put counters on themselves. I feel that most of the hydras would not fare excellently in my current meta, so some scouting is advised.
However where you look should be different- cards recently in print but rotating out of standard are way cheaper, often to the point that modern archetypes are defined after a set rotates out of standard- as was the case with hardened scales. When combined with cards that 'didn't make the cut', or were one-ofs in nieche decks you get something pretty great.
A bunch of merfolk with a +1/+1 counter theme are rotating, and its worth testing sutai merfolk- I doubt it'll be great for you unless you are planning to build into full merfolk.
Marwyn, the Nurturer and Incubation Druid offer an interesting combo option with older cards like Viridian Joiner and Gyre Sage , that may become a playable archetype, and is notable because Umbral Mantle / Training Grounds /manland is already a thing.
I expect Vivien's Arkbow to retain some of its price as people realise how good it is in modern, which is neat as an artifact supporting the kind of midrange strategy you'd want to transition into an 'artifacts matter aggro' list.
Affinity tools like Springleaf Drum , Ornithopter , Signal Pest , Vault Skirge , Cranial Plating and Etched Champion are all still relatively cheap, Thoughtcast and Galvanic Blast and are likely playable in a more midrange strategy, even if that will likely leave you weak to all the affinity answers floating around.
All told, muck around with some decklists before going out and buying a bunch of cards- there is a lot out there which might work great, given tinkering time. If you want to play right away, jump in with the most budget list involving scales and constrictor you can find, then build out based on what you think is a good deal.
1 month ago
Also, since two users here have recommended against using Mage-Ring Network , I shall instead put Gavony Township in place of the fourth tri-land, because that card is only too perfect for that deck (and that card actually was in the deck, before I removed it in favor of Karn's Bastion , which is even better, still).
1 month ago
Hey, I think if you already have all the Shock lands that they can replace the Tri lands.
Play all six Shock lands especially Forest ones, the three Check lands and include cards that can tutor for Shock lands while also being helpful ramp. Fetches of course are best, but if don't have them then Farseek, Lore, Wood Elves , Skyshroud Claim . Birds of Paradise , Incubation Druid and Paradise Druid won't break the bank and they're good for color fixing and early game ramp. Incubation is good with proliferate and with Rainbow lands. Crystalline Crawler is four mana, but it can make colored mana the turn you play it which is very good. Can also be a constant source of any color of mana with proliferate.
Crop Rotation and Sylvan Scrying are helpful to tutor for any one land. Opal Palace and Guildmages' Forum are good lands with Atraxa since either can put a counter on her letting her then proliferate herself. It's worth playing five mana to cast Atraxa with one of these lands.
Grim Backwoods isn't a good land even with token strategies. Five mana, four and tap Backwoods as well as sac a creature to draw one card is not a good investment, not worth it. Any land that can't originally make colored mana better be great if you're playing it in a four color manabase. Out of those three options you mentioned, Gavony Township is the only one to consider because of it's interaction with proliferate.
As far as proliferation goes Evolution Sage and Flux Channeler are high end since they're three drops who can be repeatable proliferate for no mana cost. With Atraxa and one of these proliferating twice a turn for no mana cost seems very good especially with Doubling Season and if you can get a counter on Atraxa.
1 month ago
multimedia, I was contemplating putting all six shocklands that were supported by Atraxa's colors, but I instead chose to use three allied-colored shocklands and three enemy-colored checklands.
Also, I chose to have more than half the lands in this deck be basic lands, in the case that an opponent of mine is cruel enough to use Blood Moon or Ruination , I really would like to have some further utility lands in this deck, such as Grim Backwoods or Vault of the Archangel , plus, I would like to add Gavony Township back to this deck, so could I reduce the number of basic lands to 20, and still have a strong mana base?
1 month ago
I don't care who says it, be it the allmighty, or channelfireball or whomever else. Terminus is not a bad card. Its brutal against phoenix & dredge, where you don't exactly want to see hardcast phoenixes, early(er than usual) drakes, fast flipping titi, open mana for counters, or a board flooded with hardcast creatures, hardcast creeping chills, and conflagrates, and we also have to acknowledge that it can be cast on turn 2 & 3 - its only competition is Settle the Wreckage , which can hurt you later game, can be slower and loose you the game, most other wrath are very lacking in the current meta. However for my deck it doesn't matter which one does my opponent use - i am somewhat fucked either way.
For control, i can present a pretty reasonable clock (swing for 3 on turn 2, swing for 8 on turn 3), and more importantly, noone expects magus of the moon out of an RW deck, and once its down, you cannot get any but red mana. Cards like gaddock teeg also help a LOT, not to mention that Life's Legacy allows me to rebuild my hand an board pretty reasonably. My problem with control is that i can only go with my beatdown plan, since my combo plan - unlike against other decks doesn't work.
Aegis of the Gods is in the sideboard to combat decks like ad nauseam, mill, present a must kill (cheap) target against targeted discard GB(x), 8-rack (which is relevant since my bro is an 8-rack fanatic), and its also a must kill creature for burn. Its also not my only viable cards in these matchups, as Eidolon of Rhetoric , Gaddock Teeg , also hinder the enemy.
THE POINT OF THIS DECK IS THAT EVERY CREATURE IN THE SIDEBOARD HAS 4 ADDITIONAL COPIES IN Eldritch Evolution . Thus to have the same chances of drawing the effect i have to play 4x Leyline of Sanctity and 1x Ivory Mask .
In previous iterations, i used to rely more heavily on lands, running 4 copies of Knight of the Reliquary in my 75 to enable this, i also played Sejiri Steppe in stead of Endless Sands , as it allowed knight to act as Mother of Runes - sadly it simply didn't work out. And i tend to have lots of creatures, since all my effects are attached to a body (and most of them come back from the grave), not to mention, my 4 of It of the Horrid Swarm creates plenty of tokens to be buffed. I would also like to point out that by the time i have 5 lands to enable activation of Gavony Township Strangleroot Geist tends to die at least once - so it already has a +1/+1 counter, meaning undying is already off the table
Gavony Township occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.12%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
GW (Selesnya): 1.22%