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Bonescythe Sliver Discussion
2 months ago
Intruder Alarm and Paradox Engine would be solid additions here. I'd remove Forcefield (this card doesn't really do a lot when you could just outright win for the same mana cost), and something else, maybe Tooth and Nail for them.
Intruder Alarm and Paradox Engine are excellent because Overlord + Gemhide/Manaweft + 3 other Slivers = Cast every single Sliver from your library. You just pay 3 to go grab Heart Sliver, cast him, untap your Slivers, and then continue casting until you're satisfied. I use Cautery Sliver as a decent sac outlet that also lets me just outright win once I play all the Slivers I want, play Queen, and then make all the tokens I want (with Alarm). And even better, if you don't want your opponents taking advantage of Alarm or anything like that, just destroy it with Hibernation Sliver.
The Aggravated Assault combo with Gemhide takes way more effort to set up (as you need at least 5 Slivers for mana production that don't attack and you have no way to give them vigilance in this deck as neither Sentinel nor Synchronous Sliver are present), so you need at least six Slivers on board for this to work, while Paradox Engine and Intruder Alarm let you go go infinite with 1 fewer Sliver (2 fewer if you have Heart Sliver out already as you can tutor your 1 drop Sliver). I see absolutely no reason why you'd abstain from these combos when Aggravated Assault takes more effort to set up, lol.
Frenetic Sliver. If you're going to suffer a board wipe, Frenetic Sliver is a nice one to have in play since he gives a 50/50 chance of keeping any single Sliver you have.
Venom Sliver is basically a better Toxic Sliver at this point at half the mana cost.
No Manaweft Sliver seems suspect. It's a solid addition.
Bonescythe Sliver is basically a better Fury Sliver.
Galerider Sliver is half the mana cost of Winged Sliver- I see no reason to not run it.
I'm going to suspect you just don't like the new slivers, but a lot of them are actually quite good so even if you don't like the artwork they would make your deck fairly better if they were included.
That's all. Hope this helps.
2 months ago
Great deck! I tested it against my Sliver EDH deck and it did quite well! I never thought about doing a wither EDH deck, in all honesty forgot about it! Actually taking a note from you and I will be adding Grafted Exoskeleton to my deck. That with my commander Sliver Overlord, It's a lot of poison counters. Also, with Bonescythe Sliver or Hunter Sliver. I can now make them either lose earlier, force an indestructible creature fight it and kill it. Or if Shifting Sliver is in play it's a quick death! Thank you for reminding me! Upvote for you :)
3 months ago
Glad to see your a fan of the wonderous hive also k_drake. I also happen to have a Sliver Overlord deck of my own, although mine is still a lot cheaper. Keep in mind however that LVL_666 has also chosen to bling out this deck nearly entirely, and thus the price you see on here is much more than what it would could actually be with a non-foil, non-masterpiece/expedition version of the decklist.
The first and most obvious things to avoid would be the original duals, (i.e Underground Sea, Volcanic Island, Tropical Island etc...), next you make do without Mana Crypt, Cavern of Souls, Wheel of Fortune, Yawgmoth's Will, and Mana Drain which should bring the deck down by a huge margin.
There's is such a vast amount of lands to choose from that could be suitable early on, including: the vivid cycle (Vivid Crag, Vivid Grove), the tri-lands (Seaside Citadel, Savage Lands, Jungle Shrine, and so on), then there's ones I use to use like Transguild Promenade, Exotic Orchard, Forbidden Orchard, Rupture Spire, Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse, Ash Barrens (highly recommend), and the panorama cycle (Bant Panorama, Jund Panorama, Esper Panorama, etc).
You can then make use out of the signets, Golgari Signet, Izzet Signet, etc) and perhaps use most of the combinations (prioritize the ones that have green). Anyways I know I have told you a Lot of information to read and consider, and so let me give you a good visual of what a starting point could look like:
Commander / EDH
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This deck by the Professor I do recommend you consider as a base, and from there start as I have done, which was slowly acquire all the slivers (and imo minus the queen, and legion at least at first), I actually was quite fortunate to receive most of the slivers needed for my list from a friend who had their very own Sliver Overlord deck and he sold/traded me eventually most of it as he was getting out of commander. I picked up stuff like Gemhide Sliver, Manaweft Sliver, Necrotic Sliver, Harmonic Sliver, Heart Sliver, Galerider Sliver and Crystalline Sliver if I recall first by cash and standard trades.
Then I got a few things like a Chromatic Lantern, Merciless Eviction, Heartstone, and Training Grounds for more additions. Eventually I started with getting the shocks and fetches (the khans fetches are cheaper) again the cheaper ones like Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills, Temple Garden, Overgrown Tomb, Hallowed Fountain, and worked my way up having more than half of them (I'm currently only missing 3 fetches and 3 shocklands).
I got my Sliver Queen and Sliver Legion from the same friend who took apart his sliver list (it's unfortunate he sold it's entire manabase and then just kept the slivers before I even met him at my lgs though), after I had all the rest of the creatures and up until that point I focused more on an aggro/voltron strategy. I bought him some very pricey modern staples (2x Chalice of the Void before there reprint and traded an Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger for these 2 slivers and to nearly finish a whole deck to play for modern :)
You can then later like i'm soon about to do myself soon I think, start to buy things like a Mana Crypt, Mana Drain, Demonic Tutor, Wheel of Fortune, etc to make the deck more competitive.To give you an idea where i'm at, here's my decklist (I'm missing 16 cards in all from it) also that's cheaper than what you see here:
Commander / EDH*
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I did not exactly plan on writing essentially a book on this for you lol, and so I apoligize. In summary start by acquiring if you don't already own any these above suggested lands, and start acquiring all the slivers you can, I recommend get ones like Sliver Hivelord, Diffusion Sliver and or Crystalline Sliver, Blur Sliver, Gemhide Sliver + Manaweft Sliver, Bonescythe Sliver, Syphon Sliver, Heart Sliver, Harmonic Sliver, Galerider Sliver + Winged Sliver, and others like Predatory Sliver, Sinew Sliver, Muscle Sliver all of which are pretty cheap. Then you will want Chromatic Lantern, plenty of signets, Darksteel Ingot, Commander's Sphere, Fellwar Stone, maybe the newly reprinted Coalition Relic which is a bit cheaper now. Then start upgrading the manabase(Mana Confluence, City of Brass, Unclaimed Territory, Sliver Hive, Ancient Ziggurat are all a good start. Then go with maybe getting the filterlands which thankfully have been reprinted and are now a lot cheaper,(Flooded Grove, Twilight Mire,...) and the shocks/fetches prioritizing the ones for green like Breeding Pool, Overgrown Tomb, Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills because you will want green I would say more than any of your colours to cast stuff like Manaweft Sliver + Gemhide Sliver, Kodama's Reach/Rampant Growth/Cultivate etc. Once you have most if not all of the slivers and the mana base then you can go back to refining the deck with medium to high end upgrades like Mana Crypt, Volrath's Stronghold, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Pact of Negation, and such. Personally in my case i'm refraining from the original duels for budget reasons myself as I can't ever see myself getting enough use out of them to make them worth it fully. Anyways I hope this gives you lots to think about!
(Final note), consider Spirit of Resistance at least initially if you think you can either protect it with counterspells or in a meta where enchantment removal won't be an issue :)
4 months ago
4 months ago
Maybe add more Venom Slivers, Sentinel Slivers, and Predatory Slivers, as in the early game, they can dominate. Deathtouch can be extremely powerful with so many creatures, and having vigilance means you don't have to commit to attacking or defending. Predatory Sliver makes your slivers less susceptible to burn spells, and makes the weakest slivers, such as Manaweft Sliver and Striking Sliver more formidable. I don't like Battle Sliver, you would much rather just remove it and run 4 Megantic Slivers, since for 1 more mana you get an additional +1/+3. An obvious replacement is to take out Fury Sliver and add another Bonescythe Sliver. Last suggestions, increase the number of Constricting Slivers and decrease the number of Bonesplitter Slivers. Nice deck, keep up the good work, and I hope these suggestions help.
4 months ago
OP_Sigma, first off i'm happy that you built your own sliver deck, but to base it off of my own? Thank you, i'm honored. I'm glad the deck survived in your meta, Sliver Overlord + Bonescythe Sliver have definitely won me games before. What changes have you made to your own instance of the deck? I'm currently experimenting with one slot, namely the one reserved for Swan Song. I cycle out Teferi's Protection, Damnation and Rhystic Study depending on the meta.
staroceansurfer, only a decent deck huh? Man you must have crazy high standards if you think my deck is merely...decent. If you think my deck has any oversights, or is lacking then please enlighten me. As for your deck oh i've got quite a few suggestions of my own...also for future consideration, use the deck link. It's annoying to have to click around to actually get to your deckpage.
Oh, and thanks for the +1s, both of you.
6 months ago
I'm assuming you're playing a casual format where just about every card is legal so I'll give you a broad list of options.
Incidentally, the first deck I made was a slivers tribal as well :)
- Ancient Ziggurat: Provides you any color of mana you need but on the condition that it's only spent for creatures.
- Sliver Hive: One of the two best lands for a sliver deck. You get any color you want without restrictions for a sliver deck. Late game, it provides functionality by allowing you to poop baby slivers out whenever needed.
- Cavern of Souls: The other best land and likely the best land in the game for tribal? Like the others, it provides you with every color AND makes your creatures uncounter-able. Extremely useful against blue deck matchups. Downside is that it's like 40$ a piece
- Unclaimed Territory: The cheaper brother of Cavern of Souls. Does everything it does for but doesn't give the "can't be countered clause." Worth considering since it's about 6% the cost of Cavern of Souls.
- Mutavault: Only provides colorless mana but can't turned into a creature at any time. Basically it can become a sliver whenever you need it, perhaps as a bait, blocker, or extra attacker.
- Gemhide Sliver / Manaweft Sliver: Excellent and perhaps critical if you're running several colors. Turns your slivers into mana dorks and allows you to speed up your game by providing more mana. Many sliver decks run 4x.
- Diffusion Sliver: If you're looking to modern-ize your deck then replace Crystalline Sliver with this. It's not that good comparatively but it's modern legal.
- Sinew Sliver, Predatory Sliver, Muscle Sliver: Your bread and butter of the deck. You're likely to run 8x of them if possible.
- Galerider Sliver: Literally a better version of Winged Sliver. It costs one mana less and does everything better. Replace Winged Sliver with this if you can.
- Venom Sliver: Gives all your slivers deathtouch, making them all deadly.
- Pulmonic Sliver: Gives all your slivers flying as well as the ability to "revive them" by putting them on top of your library upon death.
- Bonescythe Sliver: Gives all double strike. Easy way to secure your combat advantage and double your damage potential all in one go.
- Sentinel Sliver: Provdes vigilance to all your slivers. I love this card personally and run 2x.
- Sliver Queen, Sliver Hivelord, Sliver Legion, Sliver Overlord: Your sliver gods. All expensive but provide crazy utility. Queen makes more sliver. Hivelord gives your guys indestructibility. Legion provides stat buffs. Overlord allows you to search your library for any sliver you want.
- Collected Company: Luckily most slivers are 3 and below the CMC cost, usually making CoCo a 2-for-1 card. In essence, consider this an instant that reads "play this whenever you want to have 2 more slivers on the board." Can be used for surprise blockers / increasing your board presence. You may find that lowering the CMC to 3 and below maximize the value of this card.
- Aether Vial: Get 4x of this if you can. It's very costly but extremely useful. Allows you summon free creatures essentially at instant speed. This will be your turn 1 most of the time move if possible.
7 months ago
enpc, you make a compelling argument for the removal of Unnatural Selection. I have to admit, i'm feel more and more convinced that I should swap it out. However, the Emperor example was a poor one. Allow me to submit another: During a game of Multiplayer (6 opponents I believe, including myself) commander I stole The Gitrog Monster and proceeded to bash that player with their own commander. The ramp and card draw The Gitrog Sliver provided was magnificent. It enabled me to play more and more slivers that in turn made me an absurd threat. All the other players at the table were also afraid to play their commanders for roughly 3 turns before I reduced that poor Gitrog player to nothing. So, again you can see why I'm hesitant to remove that card.
If I were to remove that card however, then for tutoring options there is only ONE choice here: Demonic Tutor. Amazing card that is overdue for a reprint. This is minor, but what frustrates me is that the DCI judge promo for this card is roughly $300. That as far as I know is the only foil instance of that card. I want it, but not at that price. The last planned high priced acquisition on my list is Sol Ring, and i'm kind of looking forward to it being the last one of this deck but I digress...I still do agree with you that Demonic Tutor would have more of an impact. I'll pick up a cheaper copy sometime and test it out. I won't make an official change until i'm ready.
DiabeticFire, thanks again for keeping up with my deck and i'm flattered that you would like to pilot a version of your own. In this post i'll address your card suggestions, as to my thoughts on your card choices i'll address those in a later response.
Shared Animosity - This card seems to be more at home in a aggro deck, however I still want to give it some consideration. My deck has a slant more toward control, but it is indeed a midrange deck. Perhaps this is just the thing I needed to help give me a more viable aggro strategy when some of my combo pieces get removed. I want to test this card out. For now, it's in the same lane of consideration as Diabolic Tutor for a possible replacement for Unnatural Selection.
Cover of Darkness - This decks is already packed with evasion in the form of Shifting Sliver, Galerider Sliver, Winged Sliver and to a lesser degree, Striking Sliver and Bonescythe Sliver. This card does add another option, but the evasion options for this deck are already very well populated and aren't in need of more options.
Unclaimed Territory - interesting that you'd compare this to Gemstone Mine when it's really a strictly worse Cavern of Souls. I do see your argument that not having to worry about mining counters it's primary advantage over Gemstone, it's draw back just simply doesn't make it worth it as there are plenty of other cards in the deck that aren't slivers. What could hurt more is not being able to play a Counterspell when needed. I'll think it over, but for now I just don't see it as a viable replacement.