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Search your library for up to two basic land cards, reveal those cards, and put one onto the battlefield tapped and the other into your hand. Then shuffle your library.
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2 days ago
You play green, man!
Leave all this silly fixing with lands to colors that don't know how to ramp and color fix.
If you are willing to spend a bit and don't mind to play creature ramp:
Counterspells are bad in maelstrom. You never want to see them from cascade, its the worst. Or at least play counterspells with some alternative upside. Also, 4 mana counters mostly suck.
Also, some cards are mostly useless
Zo-Zu the Punisher (good card, wrong deck)
2 days ago
So let's talk budget, relatively speaking, land base upgrades. For starters all of the Battlebond lands almost always enter into play untapped Spire Garden Sea of Clouds Morphic Pool Luxury Suite and Bountiful Promenade and by rough estimate you can get all of them for about $35-40. These could easily replace the respective Scry Temples of the same colors so that you don't get in the way of your mana distribution.
Rootbound Crag and the similar style lands are quite good, except you aren't running any basic lands in this deck and therefore this will always enter into play tapped unless you happen to have your Canopy Vista in hand.
On that note, I would consider swapping out some of the enter into play tapped lands for a couple of Forest and running one of each basic land. This would allow you to push in a Cultivate or Kodama's Reach to allow you to ramp into the colors you need for what you have in hand at the time. This would have the added bonus of your Zendikar lands having a chance to enter into play untapped.
For the tri-color lands, I would consider running a full set of all the Lairs and removing the tri color lands that strictly enter play tapped. They are good in three color decks for early color fixing but in 4-5 color decks they just seem to slow you down. The lairs at least let you tap the land you bounce back first to get the mana in your mana pool so you can have a chance to play out something.
And finally, promise we are almost done!, if you can get more of the various lands that are "dual" types ex Plains Forest etc, those can be fetched out by Karametra, God of Harvests if they have Plains or Forest as one of those types. Sword of the Animist also allows you to go fetch basic lands out of your deck for swinging with a creature, which is something you're gonna want to do with this deck anyway.
Phew!! Sorry for the lengthy commentary, hope this helps or gives you some ideas of things you can do to improve you land base with spending thousands of dollars on true duals. :)
3 days ago
Well, JohnnyCRO, though you say that some cards are crap in each other's meta, I think you are a little off. Some cards from CEDH may not be as useful, or rarely useful at all in a non-CEDH meta, for example, Spell Pierce in a Hermit Druid deck, where all of your opponents are only playing their Steel Leaf Champions and Cultivates, perhaps having no interaction one game, where you'd rather a Ponder, but that doesn't mean that the card is crap. Generally speaking, the Hermit Druid player finds a tutor, goes off, wins, and has that extra Spell Pierce buffer protecting it. Even if it isn't entirely as useful, countering a Cultivate that'd put off an opponent from Iona, Shield of Emeria in some circumstances, or lead them to kill you with a horde of elves given a bad hand on your part.
Really, I find that though many cards are crap from normal EDH to CEDH, the opposite is lesser true.
Also, your point on that tier 5 is too janky to win in cEDH is false, it doesn't have a 25% winrate (average in 4-player given each player is playing at maximum level, knows their opponents decks, and aren't janking out wins) against Tier 1, but 20% winrate isn't awful.
I have found all tiers to house commanders that can helm exceptionally powerful decks, and though you may as a Karona, False God player why don't they run Scion of the Ur-Dragon and up their decks performance by a decent margin, having part of the Worldgorger Dragon combo in the zone, their winrates are about the same, despite being 3.5 tiers apart. I'd estimate the decks average winrates to only be a good 2% different against Tier 1 lists, with the main difference being that the dragon has more win-combos, and Karona replacing some of the dragons with more tutors and consistency with the druid line.
4 days ago
Ok. You definitely need more lands. 35 at the minimum, but I recommend 38. So you need to take out a lot of cards. Think about what you're going for. A +1/+1 counter strategy? Synergy? Lots of little creatures? Then start taking out cards that don't fit the key themes you want in your deck. I know its hard, but it'll make the deck much better. For example, if you want +1/+1 counters and synergy with those, then Bident of Thassa and Bounty of the Luxa might not be that good. What i might do is just make a list of what IN MY OPINION is jank and should go. Take it with a grain of salt if you want, but its probably for the best (if you want the reasoning behind any of these please ask me, I can't write it down for every card). Animation Module, Bident of Thassa, Lifecrafter's Bestiary, Snakeform, Plasm Capture, Negate, Mirror Match, Cobra Trap, Bounty of the Luxa, From Beyond, Urban Evolution, Whirler Rogue, Viridian Corrupter, Thelonite Hermit, Patagia Viper, Altered Ego, Overrun. All those I would Definitely take out and replace with lands, then there are a bunch more which I could see the value, and they could be really cool, but I ultimately would have to cut. These are cards like Forgotten Ancient, Managorger Hydra and Kalonian Hydra. But I would test these cards before cutting them. You also have A LOT of ramp. Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Elvish Mystic ect. Maybe a little less ramp? I dunno, but these are my thoughts.
4 days ago
5 days ago
The next step is to make sure your mana ramp is in order. It is really important to have at least 10 ways to ramp, and with Atraxa, you might even want to add one or two more in the future. For now, you should stick to 10 so you can test the deck’s other components.
Something I noticed is that you had Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse counting as mana ramp cards. These should never be thought of as ramp. Mana ramping is taking any action that puts you ahead of the amount of mana you could have available if you only dropped lands. Evolving wilds counts as your land drop, and while it fixes your mana by going to get any color you need, it does not put you ahead on your amount of available mana. In fact, it puts you behind because it comes in tapped. Fixing is great and important in a four color deck, but the more lands you have coming in tapped, the more you’ll set yourself behind. You can still run a good amount of taplands, but having a good ramp package can help soften the blow. Once you get good duals, the ramp starts to work even better.
It is always of utmost importance that your ramp is both cheap and long-lasting. The biggest downside to not playing green is not being able to ramp mana as effectively. This is because the other colors have to resort to mana rocks and mana dorks, artifacts and creatures that tap for mana. Using ramp like this can be fast and effective, but you are always vulnerable to board wipes and removal. One Vandalblast will ruin anyone's day if all their ramp is artifact based. Luckily, you are playing green, so you should never have to worry about rocks getting blown up. All of your ramp should be land focused, unless you have a really good reason for using something more synergistic. It is kind of a widespread unspoken courtesy that people do not actively use mass land destruction in EDH. Sure, there are those that do, but WAY more people come ready to blow up all artifacts/creature/enchantments when they need to. This makes throwing extra lands out a safe way to ensure you get ahead on mana and STAY ahead on mana.
Let's go down all your ramp one by one and see what better options you have:
1) Cultivate is exactly the kind of spell you want to be ramping with. It finds two of your colors, puts you ahead on mana, and guarantees you'll make your next land drop. You would be hard pressed to find a multicolor EDH deck with green that doesn't want this card.
2) Darksteel Ingot looks good on paper, but 3 mana is a lot to pay for a rock, even if it gives you all your colors and is indestructible. The Ingot may have indestructible, but stuff like Merciless Eviction or Play of the Game don't care anyway.
REPLACEMENT: There are, however, reasons to want 3 CMC ramp cards. For instance, Cultivate is so good, it didn't need a replacement. It is SO good, that you actually should use it's twin Kodama's Reach to replace the Ingot. It may seem like the flexibility of Ingot adding any of your four colors is worth it, but something like Kodama's reach, when working with a good mana base, can actually be more effective, because it can give you two of the colors you need simultaneously, instead of giving you access to one at a time. That's on top of being land based rather than artifact based.
3) Fellwar Stone is where we start to make exceptions for rocks based on power. In a 4 player game, Fellwar almost always taps for any color you need. The power of a rock skyrockets when it costs less than 3, can tap for multiple colors, and can be used right away. This one is a great call, and its benefit in the early game will outweigh it's vulnerability to mass artifact destruction.
4) Golgari Signet is a great rock, but not being able to tap right away and only getting two of your colors makes it not work as great as land based ramp. Keeping most of your ramp to 2 CMC will help you cast 4 drops (Like your commander) on turn 3. It also means you could be more likely to cast two ramp spells on the same turn and start flying ahead. It also means you could ramp and still have room to cast other spells. That kind of advantage doesn't seem like much, but it makes turns worth of difference.
REPLACEMENT: To keep this slot to 2 CMC, the best option would be Farseek. It can grab any Plains, Island, or Swamp and put it into play tapped. This will become super important once you acquire dual lands that have basic land types because it can go get a Plains/Forest or an Island/Swamp, giving you access to two more colors instead of just fetching a basic land.
5) Khalni Gem is just straight up bad unless you have a reason to bounce lands to your hand. 4 mana and returning two lands is way too steep a price. It doesn't even put you ahead on the turn you play it. On top of that, it can only add one color at a time.
REPLACEMENT: Rampant Growth is a shoe-in here. 2 mana, gets any color you need. It only gets basics, but that is fine as long as your mana base is built right and you know your deck well.
REPLACEMENT: So this is a case where you can make a replacement that ignores the downfalls of the original card by being super synergistic with your deck. Might I introduce you to Astral Cornucopia! It will most of the time cost 3 mana just like Manalith, and tap for any color just like Manalith, but every time you proliferate, it will tap for more mana. This can get WAY out of hand with all the proliferating your deck is trying to do. You may find it becomes too hot of a target for removal, but the benefit here is super unique to your deck and is worth running until your playgroup starts to hate it out of existence.
REPLACEMENT: Another easy 2 CMC option to slot in here is one of the best ramp spells you can have, Sakura-Tribe Elder A.K.A. STEVE! It is basically Rampant Growth on a creature. This makes it crazy good because you can play it and have it out as a blocker, sacrifice it after it blocks, and go get your land. You can sac it on the end step before your next turn after playing it and basically see the same benefit as a Rampant Growth, but with the added benefit of having had a creature out that whole time. Hell, if you don't need the land and would rather have a blocker, keep him out longer and sac him in response to anything that would kill him or exile him. On top of that, it could be something you give infect to in a pinch. Master Biomancer could even make him huge when he enters. Any powerful effect that can be stuck on a creature adds so many benefits, you'd be hard pressed not to want it.
8) Sol Ring is always amazing. Nuff Said.
9) Temple of the False God is pretty awful in a four color deck. It can make your opening hands terrible, and shouldn't even really count as a land in most cases. If you're not counting it as a land, then it should fall into the ramp category, but in this case it ramps you one mana ahead, but gives you no colors, and replaces your land drop. On top of that, it wont work until turn 5 at the earliest. This is will be a feel-bad card a lot of the time.
REPLACEMENT: Harrow is ridiculous good. It costs 3 mana, but leaves you with 2 more mana to use after it resolves, effectively making it cost 1. Sacrificing a land is a small price to pay to go get two lands and have them come in untapped. It can fix your colors, put you ahead, and allow you to cast more spells that turn. Basically all the good gravy.
10) In order to make the 10th ramp slot, another cut will have to be made. As cool a Plague Myr is in the deck, I think it is best to consider that most of the time it will just be a 2 mana 1/1 with infect, because you'll want to spread those poison counters. When you do need it to be a mana dork, it might not even give you the colors you need. This kind of low impact is not enough to justify crippling your ability to ramp effectively, so for now it should go to your maybeboard. I would continue to keep it in mind in mind for the future if you feel another 2 cmc infect creature might as well become something that taps for mana occasionally. For instance, this could come back in to replace black mamba in the future if playtesting deems it viable.
REPLACEMENT: There a few really great options left. Chromatic Lantern is going way down in price due to the upcoming reprint, so I would definitely have that at the top of the list for this slot. For now however, you can stick to a land based ramp spell that I can mail to you. Nature's Lore is fantastic because it costs 2, searches for a Forest rather than a basic land, and puts the Forest in untapped. This means it can go get dual lands with forest as one of their two types, or even something crazy good for your deck: Murmuring Bosk. Nature's Lore should take priority over rampant growth once you have enough good duals, but for now, Lantern and Rampant work better together.
If you get Lantern, don't use nature's lore until you have enough duals to make it worth replacing rampant growth with it. If you don't get Lantern, Use both Nature's lore and Rampant Growth.
These changes should make your mana much smoother and more effective in the long-term, as well as allow you to cast most anything when you need to. Continue to think about whether you should add 1 or 2 more after you've play-tested a bit.
5 days ago
checking on your deck, I am seeing: ramp : 3 artifact rocks : 2 draw : 8
not including the PWs to ease up on counting.
just to check, what is your game plan here? 1v1, multi? general help would be to up your ramp into 4 ~ 8 like
at least 4 artifact rocks like
You can make it focused on low cmc creatures, a few equipments and anthems. or mid ranged, with a mix of low, middle and high cmc cats.
Also, how long have you played this?
1 week ago
I cannot wait to see the chaos unfold!
Here are a few quick suggestions; take'em or leave'em:
Where is Windgrace's Judgment and Decimate! I know you want to give people toys, but having some answers may be needed. Maybe remove a couple enchantments like - Trespasser's Curse and/or Titania's Song