Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
Oran-Rief, the Vastwood enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add to your mana pool.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on each green creature that entered the battlefield this turn.
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|Duel Decks: Elves vs. Inventors (DDU)||None|
|Commander Anthology (CM1)||Rare|
|Commander 2015 (C15)||Rare|
|Commander 2014 (C14)||Rare|
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Oran-Rief, the Vastwood occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.05%
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Oran-Rief, the Vastwood Discussion
1 week ago
It is great that you built this for your friend, that is real commitment. I see this was months ago, but maybe my comments can help your future builds.
Your mana base raises questions; what good is a Command Tower in a mono-colored deck? It is basically a nonbasic forest. Same goes for Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse, all the add up to is a tapped forest. I would also lose Desert of the Indomitable, Slippery Karst and Warped Landscape. I would use Myriad Landscape that fetches two forests, Oran-Rief, the Vastwood, Castle Garenbrig, and Mosswort Bridge. The rest can be plain forests.
Hope this is helpful.
2 weeks ago
I'm a n00b, so I'm still having trouble understanding MTG slang (like: sweaty deck, etc.) and card rules.
1 month ago
1x Azorius Chancery - (2)
1x Command Tower - , , or (3)
1x Field of Ruin - (4)
1x Flooded Grove - : or , : , , or (5)
6x Forest - x6 (11)
1x Glacial Fortress - or (12)
1x Hinterland Harbor - or (13)
4x Island - x4 (20)
1x Jungle Basin - (22)
1x Karn's Bastion - (23)
1x Myriad Landscape - (24)
1x New Horizons - : Add two mana of any one color (25)
1x Oran-Rief, the Vastwood - (26)
4x Plains - x4 (30)
1x Reliquary Tower - (31)
1x Seaside Citadel - , , or (32)
1x Selesnya Sanctuary - (34)
1x Simic Growth Chamber - (36)
1x Sol Ring - (38)
1x Sunpetal Grove - or (39)
1x Temple of Enlightenment - or (40)
1x Temple of Mystery - or (41)
1x The Great Henge - (43)
1x Treetop Village - (44)
1x Weaver of Currents - : (46)
I miss counted earlier. Up to 46 total mana available
1 month ago
Needs more Vigor. You can resolve Vigor's replacement effect before resolving Polukranos's, so it gains counters instead of losing them. Does wonders for your other creatures as well. It will be a removal magnet, though. You could lean into the +1/+1 counter theme more with Oran-Rief, the Vastwood, Pir, Imaginative Rascal, Ivy Lane Denizen, and/or Renata, Called to the Hunt. Armorcraft Judge can provide more draw power, as can Rishkar's Expertise. Or you could go wide with Feed the Pack or Korozda Guildmage.
1 month ago
Abundance, Cream of the Crop, Elemental Bond and Sylvan Library can improve your draws. Gavony Township, Opal Palace, and Oran-Rief, the Vastwood are great lands for producing +1/+1 counters, replacing some spells if you like. Gyre Sage is great ramp in a Marath deck, as is Xenagos, the Reveler. Unbound Flourishing is a must-have, as it copies whichever of Marath's abilities you choose to use. Unfortunately my biggest mana ramp is Elf based, as my Born to be Wild deck is much more Elf-heavy than your deck. Maybe take a look, see if you'd like to lean a bit more in that direction?
2 months ago
Sure thing. These would be my cuts:
Natural Order . Requires sacking a green creature and only finds green creatures. Only around 10% of the deck is green creatures, and of them there are only 3 that I would be happy to sack (Birds, Dryad Arbor, Wood Elves).
Burgeoning . Strong card, but really only fantastic if you're drawing a ton of cards consistently, and you currently have just 4 sources of additional draw. Burgeoning also puts you at -1 card advantage.
Exploration . Same as Burgeoning.
Rhonas's Monument . You don't run that many high-cost green creatures, and this doesn't get Omnath out any faster.
Nevinyrral's Disk . Slow and would blow up a lot of your things. It's a good card when built around, like if you had a way to give all your permanents indestructible, but without support I think nev's disk is not that great.
Nature's Claim . This is just me but I'm not a big fan of single-target removal in most cases. It puts you at negative card advantage to disrupt 1 opponent. Removal has its place for sure, and Nature's Claim s a great card, but I think you have better options.
Skyshroud Claim . Definitely a good card, would keep if there was room. But I think there are much more powerful ramp effects out there.
Reliquary Tower . You don't have that much card draw so this would rarely be needed.
Oran-Rief, the Vastwood . Not that impactful in this build, and I think you can afford to lose a land or two since your general can stockpile mana.
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip. You're gonna think I'm crazy but hear me out. With 17 creatures in the deck, your odds of nabbing one when Growing Rites enters is about 69%. So ~1/3 of the time this will whiff. By turn 4, you will have drawn 1.9 creatures on average. Including Omnath makes that 2.9, but Growing Rites needs 4 creatures in play to flip. So it may not flip until late game. Growing Rites is a great card, but I think you would need like 10 more creatures (or a token strategy) for it to be really fantastic.
3 months ago
You have a cool flavorful concept with Vorel of the Hull Clade . If I may suggest a great resource for starting out in commander, the Command Zone has a great video for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ6m_3J1hjI
The general ratios they suggest like 10 ramp, 10 card draw, 5 single target removal etc are pretty good to go by in EDH.
Looking at your decklist, you may want to lean more into green's natural strength of land-based ramp as opposed to artifacts like Simic Cluestone or Manalith . Cards like Rampant Growth , Farseek , and Cultivate are format staples as they are some of the most efficient ways of ramping/fixing mana, and your mana dorks like ( Llanowar Elves are susceptible to a creature wrath/board-wipe like Wrath of God . As well, if you are looking to synergize with Vorel of the Hull Clade , cards like Pyramid of the Pantheon or Astral Cornucopia fulfill dual purpose of matching the theme and ramping out your big hydras.
For card draw, your list seems to be a little on the light side, however luckily since you are in blue, you have the best options available to you. Going along with the +1/+1 counter theme with Hydras, a card like Tezzeret's Gambit may serve you well by both drawing cards and enhancing the creatures you have on board. Since your list includes so many big creatures, a card like Rishkar's Expertise or Soul's Majesty will be overperformers, drawing you 5 cards or more at a time.
You do have a healthy number of Mana dorks, but even still your curve is a little on the high-side, as most of your hydras will actually be cast for 5+ mana. I would bring up your land count to 37 or 38, and some great lands that could fill those slots are Hinterland Harbor , Yavimaya Coast , Oran-Rief, the Vastwood , and Blast Zone . If you have the budget for it, Breeding Pool is always nice, and can be fetched with Farseek directly into play.
With regards to cards to cut to make room for these, The Chain Veil is one of the first I question being on the list. It is fairly overpriced and doesn't interact with your hydra theme. A card like Open the Gates is the perfect card to replace with Rampant Growth or Farseek as in EDH, a land directly to the battlefield will be better at most parts of the game.
Overall, I'm not sure what your meta is like with regard to competetiveness or what your background in Magic is like, but I think the suggestions above will enhance your list. Definitely do your research and I'm sure you will find cards that are better than the ones i've suggested.
I hope I didn't come off as overly-critical as that wasn't my intent. Welcome to the format! And happy brewing!
3 months ago
Your deck's average CMC is a bit high (even for eldrazi). In addition, you have a low amount of ramp (although a fair amount of the ramp you do have is solid). The combination of high average CMC and low ramp can often result in a higher than average amount of games where the deck will not do anything productive for far too long. So first and foremost, we should find a way to lower the deck's average CMC while simultaneously increasing its ramp/mana acceleration. Secondly, we want to add more removal/disruption to the deck. Finally, we want to upgrade the average card quality. Doing these three things will DRASTICALLY improve this deck's competitiveness, speed, and power. Removal/disruption is crucial at every point of a commander game, but it is absolutely vital in the early turns of the game. This is even more true when talking about a slower deck. Being able to stop an opponent's explosive starts or protect yourself from early threats is very important. Removal allows slower decks to make it to late game where they can then take over and dominate. Animar is an incredibly powerful commander AND his CMC is very low. Casting him early provides you with an ever growing blocker/attacker that also helps you get to your bombs quicker so I think the commander choice here is an excellent one. His protection from white and black will also stonewall early aggro in those colors. So obviously I think this deck's first objective is to get Animar out ASAP. However, Animar is not invincible (although close) and he can also be countered and he is only one card (albiet one that you always have access to). So again, we need to find ways to increase early game pressure and/or protection. Below are a list of cards I'd suggest for each of those categories. I will not consider budget with my suggestions. Not all of my suggestions will be expensive tho. Although some of my suggestions are expensive cards, they will be the absolute best options for the things we are trying to improve. Also, you can always slowly acquire some of these cards over time. Even a $100 card can be acquired in 4 months without impacting your finances. You can set aside $25 bucks a month (or even every two weeks) and get a $100 card in 2-4 months. I will leave most of the swapping of cards up to you, but I will mention certain cards in your deck that I think should be directly swapped with one of my suggestions. Anyways, without further ado: my suggestions.
Gaea's Cradle – This card is expensive af (probably my most expensive suggestion) but it is a staple in a lot of commander decks. Animar is one of those decks. Animar thrives off casting creatures and Animar decks generally have lots of creatures on their board. The other ridiculously amazing thing about this card (aside from being able to tap for ABSURD amounts of mana) is that it is a land and thus doesn't consume a precious deck slot.
Ancient Tomb and Mana Crypt are monsters of acceleration and Tomb, like Gaea's Cradle, doesn't take up a deck slot. These two I wouldn't recommend as hard as Cradle and they do hurt you so I could see not including them without a certain amount of lifegain. Life doesn't matter that much in cEDH but in regular EDH life totals are usually quite important.
A fair amount of the one drop mana dorks. Your commander's colors will prevent you from being able to play Noble Hierarch , but you should definitely include Birds of Paradise and some combination of Elvish Mystic , Llanowar Elves , and Fyndhorn Elves . Sylvan Caryatid isn't a bad choice either. I persoanlly think Caryatid is better than Rattleclaw Mystic although I think the Rattleclaw is fine and probably shouldn't be cut. Many people believe artifacts are superior to mana dorks but this view isn't completely correct. Artifacts have two main strengths over dorks: they can tap the same turn you play them and they are (generally) harder to remove. In every other way however (barring specific strategies), mana dorks are better. They can chump block hits that would kill you, swing for damage, can be recurred much more easily than artifacts, and can be used as fodder for cards like Fauna Shaman and Survival of the Fittest . You can't feed a 1 mana artifact to those cards and tutor up an Ulamog but mana dorks let you do this. This is also only speaking generally. In certain decks (ESPECIALLY Animar) the payoff for running them is even greater. Paying 1 mana for a mana dork makes Animar grow even stronger and lets him discount more expensive creatures even harder. With Animar on the field, dorks effectively provide 2 mana. They raise the discount and tap for mana themselves. Animar with 3 lands and 3 dorks can let you cast something for 9 mana on turn 4! If one of those lands was Gaea's Cradle , it would allow 12 mana on turn 4!! Other ramp I'd include would be Nature's Lore , Farseek , and Cultivate . Out of these 3 I just mentioned, I'd defintely cut Explosive Vegetation for one of these. Ramp cards that you have that I would absolutely NOT cut at all are Sol Ring , Arcane Signet , Chromatic Lantern , Kodama's Reach , Skyshroud Claim , and Commander's Sphere . These cards were great choices and I would keep all of them.
URG doesn't have the greatest removal options, but there are some suprisingly good choices. Also, the fact that you have access to blue means that you can run almighty counterspells. Counterspells are just awesome and they are often the only way to beat combo decks. Animar is a very creature/aggro based deck so I am not advocating that this should be a control deck by any means. I would only recommend 3 counters for this reason: Counterspell , Mana Drain , and maybe Disallow because of its versatility. I would NOT cut swan song or negate. These two cards are absolutlely amazing and were very good choices. You don't necessarily need to add all of these counters, but I'd definitely add at least 1-2 more. If you find that you don't want to add any (I'd try not to do this) then I would swap negate with Counterspell or Mana Drain . I run negate in most decks that can run it so, again, I wouldn't cut it unless you don't want to add other counters. Only then would I swap it out.
For removal, I'd recommend Reality Shift , Beast Within , and the dreaded Cyclonic Rift . Reality shift is one of the only good exile creature spells without access to white or black. Beast within will deal with any permanent and the beast it leaves means nothing to an Animar deck. Rift is a one sided INSTANT speed board wipe that can also double as temporary removal for any permanent other than lands. An Animar deck with a full board will pretty much win the game after a successful overloaded Rift. I would NOT cut Ulamog at all because he is freaking amazing and his exile two of anything ability is really nice, especially in URG. I'd also keep Balefire Dragon. He's a one sided creature board wipe. Also with the ramp upgrades he will be reliable to cast. I'd strongly recommend every single one of the three removal options I just mentioned. Steel Hellkite is also maybe good here too but I wouldn't necessarily include it. It can potentially cost 0 mana with Animar and is one-sided.
Upgrading Card Qualtiy
Let me first list all the cards here currently in your deck that I would cut. Then I'll suggest some better cards IMO. For creatures I would cut Ancestral Statue, Avatar of Slaughter (this card looks cool but is more of a fun chaos card then a reliable good card. Its 8 mana and can often backfire on you and get you killed. An 8 mana card shouldn't do this), Bearer of the Heavens , Eldrazi Mimic , Endless One , Forgotten Ancient , Hooded Hydra , Pathrazer of Ulamog , and Tromokratis (he is powerful comapered to some of my other cut suggestions, but as you'll see below, there are superior creatures that cost less mana). Assuming you take any of my suggestions, make sure that if you cut one of these creatures you replace it with a creature I suggested. You have 35 creatures in this deck which is actually a very good number for Animar so you should still try to maintain the 35 creature count.
I like your land base but you need at least 35 lands (maaaaybe 34 if you add a bunch more ramp). Your base and colored mana access is good so I will recommend utility lands here. Also don't forget about Gaea's cradle that I mentioned earlier. Anyway, consider Yavimaya Hollow , Alchemist's Refuge , Oran-Rief, the Vastwood , and Kessig Wolf Run . Hollow protects your creatures, refuge lets you play any nonland card at instant speed (many applications for this!), Vastwood buffs your board and provides synergy with the +1/+1 counter cards, and wolf run will let Animar 1 or 2 shot people for lethal commander damage. Again, here I wouldn't cut any of the lands you currently have. You just need to add a couple more lands, that's all.
Noncreature, nonland cuts I'd make would be Death's Presence (overcosted for what it does and can be played around), Forced Adaptation (slow and gives card disadvantage if the creature its on is killed) Frontier Siege (not actually a bad card but its only worth it if you have lots of fliers and not too great at ramp since its 4 mana), Rage Reflection (this card really isn't bad but I think its kinda expensive at 6 mana and slow), Explosive Vegetation (mentioned this earlier), Guided Passage (your opponnents get to see your entire deck which is BAD and you can't assume they will ever get you anything good unless both of you have a much more dangerous mutual enemy. Its also worthless in 1v1), and See the Unwritten (just severely overcosted and not very good).
Here are my suggestions finally. Note that I won't re-mention the earlier suggestions from my previous sections (ramp and removal), but don't forget those.
Creatures I'd consider including would be Kozilek, Butcher of Truth (I would directly swap this with pathrazer. It is much more powerful, has better stats, a better annhilator AND costs less mana. Plus it draws you cards. Directly making this particular swap will also slightly lower your average CMC), Consecrated Sphinx (I'd directly swap this for tromokratis. It will lower average CMC, and although it's smaller than tromo, its flying will allow it to deal damage more often than tromo. The main reason this card is busted is its draw ability. Even having this live for only two turns will win you the game by burying your opponents in card advantage), Kalonian Hydra (I'd directly replace this with Hooded Hydra as he grows WAAAY faster and buffs other creatures aside from himself provided they also have +1/+1 counters. In combination with Oran-rief, he can start buffing creatures that normally wouldn't have +1/+1 counters on them. Finally he's gross with Animar), Etali, Primal Storm , and Nezahal, Primal Tide (another big card advantage engine and can be infuriating to try to kill). Other good support creatures that help with smoothing your draws, providing various support, and/or removing things would be Keranos, God of Storms , Thassa, God of the Sea , Nylea, God of the Hunt , Genesis (he provides never ending creature recursion and is VERY difficult to stop from the graveyard much like anger, brawn, and wonder), Fauna Shaman (survival of the fittest's lesser creature cousin. Survival and fauna shaman are absolute musts in Animar because they work so well as tutors and Animar decks have high creature densities. They also combo disgustingly with genesis, anger, wonder, and brawn), and finally Eternal Witness . Eternal witness NEEDS a place in this deck. It should be in any deck with green and it is also one of the top 7 most played cards in the whole format according to EDHREC. It also is disgusting with genesis. Also note that Thassa, Keranos, Nylea, and Nezahal all resist board wipes and allow you to retain some semblance of a board state following a boardwipe. Keranos and Nezahal also draw you cards so they even help with the rebuilding after a wipe.
Noncreature stuff to consider would be Survival of the Fittest (already explained why it should be included hopefully. It's a fauna shaman that can be activated any number of times per turn instead of only once and is more difficult to remove), Seasons Past (just an insane value card that goes back in your deck and can even get difficult to recur cards like instants and sorceries), Doubling Season (high $$ card but it works really well in your deck with all the +1/+1 counters) Rhystic Study (this even sees play in cEDH like mystic remora. People will not often pay the 1 mana. If they do, they have taxed themselves. Either you draw more cards or tax your opponent's spells. It's a win/win. Also, unlike remora, it stops all types of spells and doesn't require a cumulative upkeep. Make no mistake however, remora is still AMAZING). My last and final suggestions are tutors. Tutors are so important in commander. Too important too ignore. You aren't running any that I can see. URG doesn't have the greatest tutor options but they have some really good ones. I already mentioned fauna shaman and survival of the fittest. Others I'd try hard to slot in include Green Sun's Zenith , Finale of Devastation , Mystical Tutor , and Worldly Tutor .
Anyway, I hope I have been helpful. I tried to mention the cards that I think should absolutely find a way into the deck, but also keep in mind that not all of my suggestions are a must. Again, we just want to lower the average CMC, increase ramp and removal, and upgrade card quality, (like hooded hydra >> kalonian hydra). Good luck and overall a very cool deck! You have my upvote good sir.