The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
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The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Discussion
1 week ago
Sgtpopnfreash First of all, thanks a lot for your comments!
I don't actually have Timetwister, Candelabra of Tawnos, Flusterstorm, Copy Artifact, Volcanic Island, Underground Sea and The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, but if I had them, I would certainly use them in this deck.
I'll tell you why I like having Faithless Looting in my deck. 1) it enables me to trade three(including itself) cards from my hand for two new other cards, while discarding lands or cards that i'll be able to cast later with Kess, dissident mage , such as Mind's Desire, 2) It interacts well in some Doomsday piles that I like to settle sometimes, 3) It helps me to trigger Threshold for Cabal Ritual. Cephalid Coliseum have a similar effect enabling me to trade three cards from my hand for three new cards, while it enters untapped and taps for blue mana.
Mizzix's Mastery and Paradox Engine are too powerful for not to use them. With Paradox Engine on the field I can easely storm out and with a tutor or enough draws I can quickly close the game. It also helps me to avoid some stax effects, which my playgroup is consistently improving. I'm also considering adding Vandalblast or By Force to deal with tax and stax artifacts.
Please let me know your thoughts on my comment.
2 weeks ago
They didn't "let" me. It was a 6 player EDH game and my mono black deck has like 8 tutors (capitalizing on my color's strengths). But yeah, I know what you mean.
Yesterday I lost a 4 player game so I went to grab food. Came back 10 minutes later and one person said to the complainer that he complains a lot. So I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, regardless of who actually voices their opinion in the public playgroup.
You're right, it is good synergy with some luck. I consider that AMAZING magic. I would do it (although not in this playgroup) and I wouldn't mind if someone did it to me (even in the same playgroup, which as been done before). The reason I don't mind is because if 1 of the 3 players plays archenemy, then it's fun regardless if I'm the 1 of the 4 who is attacking, or the 1 of the 4 who is being attacked by the rest. It's fun to me. Then when the archenemy is weakened enough, you guys attack each other until he builds himself up. Or, you could kill the archenemy entirely (that is extremely frowned upon by the playgroup since no one wants to get hated out of a game).
You're right, I should definitely talk to all the players outside the playgroup to get their opinion. It would work better, thank you. I will take that advice. I have been thinking about that, there is another meta I could go to (No combos allowed which sucks, but their playstyle is more cuthroat which could help I guess).
On an unrelated note, 1 year ago I went to a random LGS and this guy used Enchanted Evening and Cleansing Meditation to wipe out 3 of the 5 players. He would have then beat me next turn had I not tutored for Living Plane when I had Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite on the field to blow his lands and he got mad. He blows up the ENTIRE board (except my field since I had indestructible) and he gets mad that I only blew up his lands, not his mana producing artifacts. See the irony? Lol
I get that. I made weaker decks. I had Grand Arbiter Augustin IV combo control that I took apart since no one liked it. Then I had a Captain Sisay deck whose win con was Paradox Engine or LD or attacking with infinite P/T creatures. I took that apart too. I made a Norin the Wary deck with ETB triggers off of Impact Tremors and Genesis Chamber and similar cards they got SO SALTY (there was no MLD or anything like that despite running mono red). I even made a mono blue shitty clone deck that SUCKS and I play it from time to time against their most casual decks and that seems to work I guess (since I never win with that deck).
Also, yeah...I have been called names similar to that. The deck (according to tapped out) is like 5.6k or something realistically more like 4k with cards like The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Candelabra of Tawnos, Mishra's Workshop and the like. It's a lot of money, I get it. But I'm not going to let others make me feel bad that I spend $ on my decks. They choose to spend all their time at a game store instead of trying to find a job (maybe they tried to find one and failed, idk), doing focus groups, or many other things that can help them. So whenever they see my expensive cards, I downplay it like "yeah, it's just cardboard" or when shit gets super salty I say "it's just a game, why are you getting mad at something that is supposed to help you relax?" I try not to say it in a rude way, but more so in a caring nature.
It's both. Some are opposed to combo and EVERYONE has their own definition of what a combo is. Yes it is a very slippery slope. But it's not one individual person that has power, but the group. And yes, that broad definition (or lack thereof) makes things like this happen all the time. Yes, that would be frowned upon as well (although not completely disallowed) since that example in particular isn't devastating in and of itself. Not sure if I made it clear but I am "Mr. Money Bags" according to them. House stance is divided since everyone has their own opinion. Percentage of people is hard to say, but a rough estimate is 30%-40% depending on who is in the group at the time. I tried having 2 adult conversations, so far, nothing worked since as someone else said, you can't really use logic with those type of people.
Other options are different LGS (definitely considering 2 others at the moment), building more timmy decks (working on Xenagos and Freyalise as my next projects), or just avoiding that player in general. Option 1 is definitely viable, I have 2 other places 2 try out. Option 2 is most viable, as it is a simple and straightforward deck, although this still doesn't get rid of the larger issue at hand. Option 3 is difficult/impossible because there isn't always enough wiggle room at out meta to say "no" to this person when either you want to play or they want to play with the group. Then IF the group sides with one person, the other would get left out and feel pain (look up psychological studies of "Cyberball")
2 weeks ago
I also like the idea, I think i would want more Ghost Quarters or Rishadan Port tweaking solemnity to 3 and you also probably will never need Plateau.I would consider dropping it for a port or quarters. Mainly because the deck just looses to Blood Moon in which case you need the white which Plateau wouldn't provide at that point anyway. So you would need need your basic plains. I would suggest increasing to another basic forest so u can still cast loam to get your plains if someone for whatever reason would kill a plains. I would use Tranquil Thicket over revival because it protects loam and can recur off of loam. As far as The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale it is necessary its a win condition it's the reason you play wasteland and recur them it literately locks them out of the game resulting in more wins in the from of people seeing the lock and knowing they can't beat it and giving up and if they don't that is what your other win cons are for.
1 month ago
Hey! I actually don't use tappedout too much at all... I accidentally misclicked the deckcycling thing which might've caused the deck to appear :\
Personally, I actually did manage to make the entire Hokori, Dust Drinker/Armageddon deck with faster acceleration. I cut all the random fatties and went for the linvala/elesh +living plane plan! I played that deck for a good 20~months (all the way up till December 2016), and moved onto Derevi, Empyrial Tactician... (mostly because I already had a lot of expensive bombs in selesnya colours and I felt Derevi was going to be pretty awesome in my playgroup!) By the time paradox engine was spoiled, I had already bought Tropical Island and Tundra and was past the point of no return. I think Sisay is a better deck against slower, more casual metas (stax + fatties, not the storm version). She's fun to play, and somewhat open ended because there are a multitude of different lines of play, so I've really enjoyed her. My meta is comprised of an array of decks, most of which are fast combo (flash hulk/gitrog), mixed in with a couple of control decks in the mix because we play team oriented games as opposed to free for all games where the game ends much faster. I am the only stax/resource denial player in my meta.
I think overall, my thoughts on Sisay are that her locks are abit softer then Derevi even though she has alot more steam when she is left unanswered. She's great when she can untap even once because of the threat of Hokori decks, but cards that I've personally found very difficult to power through were Humility, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Bribery (Elesh Norn/Linvala) or an opponents Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite/Linvala, Keeper of Silence. Although these problems are hardly solved in Derevi, I can play Sisay if i walked into a random store in a random city, but Derevi has a 50/50 chance of being a terrible deck/fantastic bullet depending on who sits across the table from me. Her ability to handle midrange-ey decks while being a stax commander is quite unique outside of her and Selvala, both break parity a little bit differently I guess, depends on which you prefer.
Wew. With all that said, I have tried a couple games with the new storm Sisay deck by shamelessly net-decking the list off from the EDH discord/labmaniac lists. Unfortunately I did not have a great experience with Fire Covenant or Toxic Deluge type effects. Also because of the number of counterspells in my playgroups, sometimes Sisay getting countered twice means I really have to suck it up and play really slow games without doing much at all, especially in cases where she gets cast using fast mana and I have no other way to get cards quickly without getting lucky and drawing a great tutor. I've always enjoyed your lists, back then I believe you used to play Insist and Savage Summoning, and I was a big fan (sorry if this wasn't you, but I think it was? There weren't many Sisay decks on tapped out prior to the printing of Paradox Engine). How has Paradox been for you? Is this version of Sisay better in a pure T1 meta? I was really revisiting these lists to see if she was worth a revisit!
Hopefully the wall of text isn't too much for you, I've never really had a conversation with someone about the older Sisay decks because everyone is so obsessed with the fast combo version of Sisay now. I guess doing the Sisay combo IRL is also very cumbersome; playing side events at a GP while having to demonstrate the Cloudstone Curio+Reki, History of Kamigawa+random cheap legendary is a straight nightmare because they have to cut your deck for you to draw, then continue searching with sisay when you begin the paradox combo etc. Its a major reason why I have not returned to Sisay for extensive testing. Hopefully you have some insight for me!
1 month ago
The thing is that this deck is meant to not run STAX for casual plays, and even if it took that shift, I would include Possessed Portal and the like before The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale.Propaganda was in the first draft of the deck but was excluded because it was unnecessary with all the creature control we already have. And I think you are underestimating how powerfull Null Brooch in this deck, since it is one of its best cards and can completely shut a board with untapping. If you are getting rushed with this deck in turn 5, you are playing the wrong deck for the pod, since it is not meant to be a competitive fast combo or STAX.
1 month ago
This deck is extremely fun if you want to make a 3 hour game but the problem is winning takes a lot of mana and a lot of turns. If you get rushed on turn 5 your pretty much screwed. You need more tutors, cards like Propaganda, and The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale with less Null Broochs.
1 month ago
Nice deck. I like where you're going with this. As with a lot of mono black, I also get myself down to low life. I then become a lowlife by using Soul Conduit. While it does cost a lot to play and activate, getting 12 mana can't be too difficult in EDH. Especially with Thespian's Stage and Mirage Mirror copying coffers. Because why have 1 or 2 when you can have 4! Have urborg and Deserted Temple in play to add even more mana! You already have the candelabra which is great. It's also worth noting Mirage Mirror can dodge many forms of removal and can combo with dark depths. Moreover, thespian's stage can combo with dark depths.
In Garruk's Wake > Plague Wind. Personally I think both cost too much for what they do.
Forcefield is nice since you already have both maze effects
Rings of Brighthearth MUST GO IN NOW! 2 cards back to your hand? Double the fetch lands (ramp), double planeswalker activations. Please add this now.
Trading Post to help recur your artifacts, provide chump blockers, gain life if you're running too low, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, works well with Contamination. Also helps sac your artifacts to prevent them from getting exiled, as I'm sure your candelabra is a big target
If you want some other ideas to incorporate into your deck, feel free to check out my deck The Descent Into Darkness. If you want suggestions of what to remove for some of my suggestions, let me know
1 month ago
thegigibeast: I ran Myr Battlesphere for quite a while but for the sake of consistency, I dropped it. It is definitely one of the best cards when trying to win with Kuldotha Forgemaster but at , there was almost always something else that I wanted to cast more. That and it severely under performs as a finisher so if it is not being used for combo shenanigans or acceleration with a Clock of Omens, it is fairly bad considering the other options this deck has to end the game at or around . Pretty much the only time I ended up missing the card is when I could cheat it into play with Kuldotha Forgemaster or in situations where I was already far enough ahead that it didn't really matter and I just wanted to abuse Clock of Omens some more. That and it doesn't go well with The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale or Torpor Orb.
I definitely still see it as a great budget option for a more casual meta, but in cEDH, it is just too slow and unimpactful, especially because it does not synergize with some of the stax cards I am running.