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Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
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Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx Discussion
15 hours ago
Seems pretty good for a first draft.
I would take out Illusionist's Bracers first, as Narset's ability is triggered, not activated. Rings of Brighthearth would be better, and it would be able to copy planeswalkers' abilities. Barring that, Oath of Gideon is wonderful.
I might actually cut out a few planeswalkers, if that is okay. Calculated Dismissal seems a bit lame for all the other good countermagic present. And, yes, the mana base does need some work.
Given that Narset is the ONLY creature, the attack game plan is rather weak. The only way I could get the Aggravated Assault game end in good time is by sticking Swords to Birds of Paradise and winning on turn 5. Of course, Gideon could make that work, but we would need more Gideons or attacking planeswalkers to make this plan feasible. Five supporting planeswalkers by turn 4 ain't happening.
The mana base does indeed leave a lot to be desired. Not having green does force us to use other options. I'd go for some RTR shocks and stuff that can come out untapped. I tend to run Amulet of Vigor in the slower nongreen mana bases so all the good lands come out untapped. That shouldn't be necessary here.
One question. Why the flash enablers? All the stuff you'd want to play on opponent's turns isn't useful. Vedalken Orrery has rarely helped me even with drawing four cards a turn and untapping everything, which you have neither. It doesn't help counterspells, and it won't let planeswalkers do things on opponent's turns. They seem like indulgent, wasted slots.
The last thing a Narset should worry about is decking yourself. Theoretically, if you're comboing off, your turn should last forever, so you should be able to get out like 10+ planeswalkers and Chain Veil to keep using them and untapping it with Ral Zarek over and over. You also don't have to cast anything from exile until you're ready to set up your board state. Inexorable Tide first, Contagion Engine last.
Unfortunately, by the time you're ready to goldfish and get all this good planeswalker action, most people will just give up, which is bad feels. In that case, all win-plus cards (that only do good after you've essentially already won) are unnecessary. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx will basically do nothing until you already have enough planeswalkers out to assert your board. Even then, it'll only help you get more of what you already have (Ajani won't help you play a Cryptic.) It's basically useless as mana fixing.
This is Jake by the way. :3
20 hours ago
casmiel I like the idea of Cryptbreaker just not sure what I want to take out.. Maybe the Diregraf Captains. I already get buffed by Undead Warchief and Death Baron and both have additional benefits. The mana ramp is based on using Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx to add tons of blk to the board by turn 4 or 5. Additionally getting Liliana of Dark Realms maxed out and combo-ing with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth turning all my lands (including colorless) to swamps for huge mana push. Now I can use Cryptbreaker's discard ability to cast From Under the Floorboards for madness.. I only added the Stream of Consciousness to allow me to fetch something(s) that I want from the graveyard before I activate Jace, Memory Adept. But I could see some removal being better.. I also want to utilize my Blue side some more. Any other suggestions/questions?
1 day ago
Thran Dynamo, Caged Sun, Void Winnower, Rhystic Study (already own one now!), Darksteel Colossus, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Winding Canyons, Vedalken Orrery, Capsize, Duplicant, Psychosis Crawler, Gilded Lotus, Thought Vessel are all very very likely to go in once I upgrade. The deck needs much more ramp in order to function smoothly I believe. Getting Braids out just before my turn would help immensely too. I feel that if Braids is shut down my deck is neutered since my average CMC is a whopping 5. The deck needs to run on its own without Braids--her group-hug aspect is rarely seen as beneficial, it seems. Blue isn't the best color for ramp but at least it's a mono-colored deck. Also, being able to raw-cast my fatties along with a free one will help a lot with board-presence, which is an issue. A lot of times I finally get a bomb out and it's removed promptly.
Perhaps a Sword of the Animist as well. Gauntlet of Power is perfect but a bit expensive. Same with Doubling Cube, although that one is much more affordable. Might splurge on one. Might also throw in a Mind Stone and a Hedron Archive. On the fence about Sapphire Medallion.
Also, might by a foil Braids for good measure.
The hard part is the cuts, obviously. I love my creature base but with my card-draw I could use a few less. That will require lots of balancing, I'm sure.
1 day ago
Bassmaster Thanks :) I have never played Commander/EDH and I dont know the rules but I will check it out someday! :) As I have said I really never had too less mana till now because of the cards mentioned above. Maybe you are right about Endless Horizons, Im thinking about cutting 1 Endless Horizons for 1 Iona, Shield of Emeria, what do you think? :D
3 days ago
ZzZ3DemonAngelZzZ thank you for your suggestions but the goal of the deck is to have smaller low costing creatures and flood the board so that the opponent cant win. and i based this off the winning deck from GP Charlotte 2015. i did originally look at Elvish Champion but i determined she doesn't really help that much because with all the removal she is the first one they try to take out straight away if it affects them in any way. and i've also looked at all the cards you suggested but decided against them. and the reason i don't run Wellwisher is that the Bow of Nylea can gain me life and also do so much more. and i know Wellwisher would gain me more but it still takes another lightning bolt to kill me each time.
2_Trainz. the reason i have Eternal Witness is in case they take out something that i need for the win and Fauna Shaman is there to help with the toolbox aspect of the deck where if i need something i can search for it without using one of the dedicated search spells in the deck. i don't run 4 Heritage Druid because it is really slow at the start if you don't have the right hand and i also don't want to take out a more important card to add 2 more. Reclamation Sage is needed main board because if you look up MTGTop8 and look at the meta game, affinity and other decks that use artifacts or enchantments are quite prevalent. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is very helpful in elves for the reason you mentioned "elves like to dump there hand". but to be honest that isnt true. the sideboard is still a work in progress. Khalni Hydra works amazing in this deck because with the amount of creatures i have i can normally get it for 0-3 mana for and 8/8 with trample. and because they will want to get rid of that fast you can easily make some stealthy plays that win the game. Bow of Nylea is in there for many reason, one being that it can gain me life and anothere being that the deathtouch really slows down and stops a lot of decks because my 1/1 can now kill there ?/? creature. i have considered Lead the Stampede but ultimately decided that Collected Company is a better option because Collected Company puts them straight onto the battlefield which means i have more mana for better things. Heritage Druid is fine as a two of because you would never want more than one on the battlefield at a time anyway and if i need it i would serach for it. i did originally have Joraga Warcaller in the deck but i replaced him with Khalni Hydra because normally the hydra means its game and i can normally cast it for cheaper. the reason i don't run Wren's Run Vanquisher is because that means i have to replace one of the other 2 drops in the deck and personally i would prefer either to draw a card, stop my opponent or get 2 creatures for one. i am going to add Elvish Champion to mainboard as a one of because it can really help in some matches and in others it still gives an anthem affect. thank you for your suggestions, i hope you enjoy the deck and if your planning on building elves look at the winning elf deck from GP Charlotte.
3 days ago
Eternal Witness isn't worth it in my opinion. It's to slow, and you should rely on drawing a new version of what you want not paying three to get it back, then playing it.
Fauna Shaman is slow, and you have to lose something in your hand, which can be a problem, because Elves like to dump their hand.
You should run 4 Heritage Druids it's really good, and lets you do a lot.
Reclamation Sage isn't a card you should keep on your mainboard, it's way to often that he'll end up as an expensive 2/1.
I also wouldn't run any Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx it just isn't worth it, and doesn't do enough.
I also don't think it's worth it to run Razorverge Thicket for one card on your sideboard, that is situational.
Khalni Hydra is odd, but I have never tried it, so idk.
Bow of Nylea could be okay, but I'm skeptical its worth it, as it doesn't speed you up or make you more resilient.
You should consider Lead the Stampede for draw, Elvish Champion (sideboard) as an additional lord and against green matchups, 2 more Heritage Druids, Joraga Warcaller for more elf pump, and Wren's Run Vanquisher for cheap deathtouch (Having it on a blocker is way more useful than only with attackers)).
4 days ago
Reclamation Sage is superb mainboard tech.
I think another Abrupt Decay or 2 would be good in the sideboard, but I don't really know modern elves enough to know beyond that.
4 days ago
Gotcha, he is incredibly versatile, but hard to come by. I run a RW samurai deck so if you're looking for some additions that aren't really budget you could always include: 1-2 Cavern of Souls, 3-4 AEther Vials, 1-2 Flagstones of Trokair, 2-4 Mutavaults, and 1-2 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx. It'll diversify your land base a little giving you some better plays in both the long and short game--especially the vials.
These are all incredibly expensive so I assume it'll take a while to acquire all of them, however I think all of them will exponentially ramp up the aggressiveness of the deck.