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, Sacrifice Strip Mine: Destroy target land.
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Strip Mine Discussion
3 days ago
Hey Joe it's Owen! I helped my buddy Ryan build a Windgrace deck a few weeks ago and it reminded me to take a look at your list and throw some suggestions your way (up to you if you want to heed them, of course).
So one of the first things I see when I look at your list is that you're missing one of the key things to Windgrace's land recursion ability: utility lands. Strip Mine and Glacial Chasm are huge stars in the deck since you're able to bring them back to field with either Life from the Loam or Windgrace's -3 ability. Paired with Wayward Swordtooth and other effects ( Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Oracle of Mul Daya , Exploration ), you can use strip mine to blow up 7 or more opponent's lands per turn. This puts you at a tremendous mana advantage and lets you eliminate pesky things like Tyler's Maze of Ith (a card you could run in here as well to prevent Windgrace from dying) or Lotus Vale (another card you could run since you'll just get the sacrificed lands back).
I would like to point out that Glacial Chasm is even better. This land prevents you from taking any damage. You have to pay (cumulatively) 2 life in your upkeep but instead you could sacrifice it in upkeep and then bring it back to field with Windgrace or Ramunap Excavator or Crucible of Worlds . By the way, Crucible of Worlds would be very good to run here.
It's great that you have The Gitrog Monster in here, because this is basically the Lieutenant of any Windgrace deck. You should run Dakmor Salvage here, as well, since you can dredge that land when it's in your graveyard (dredge meaning instead of drawing you can put that card from your graveyard to your hand and then mill however much). Dakmor Salvage has dredge 2, so lets say that in upkeep you have to sacrifice a land to the Gitrog Monster. You choose to sacrifice Dakmor Salvage, which hits the graveyard and thus triggers the Gitrog Monster to draw you a card. Instead of drawing, you then choose to dredge Dakmor Salvage and return it to your hand to mill 3. If you mill 3 lands off the top of your deck, you get 3 more Gitrog triggers to draw cards. This is incredibly useful for drawing through your deck and getting to your win conditions. Paired with a discard outlet such as Borborygmos Enraged or Noose Constrictor you can actually draw your entire deck (or in the case of Borborygmos, draw your entire deck and then kill everyone with it). Either way, Dakmor Salvage is an incredible piece that you should run in here and is only like $2.
Also, have you ever noticed how you create giant creatures like Multani and Zendikar Incarnate in here but someone always has ways to block them or Maze of Ith to prevent combat damage? Say goodbye to those days if you pick up Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord . Instead of being forced to swing out one at a time with your big creatures, you can activate Jarad and sacrifice Multani to him, causing each opponent to lose life equal to Multani's power (which tends to be big). The great thing here is that you can just replay Multani from the graveyard! And if you mill Jarad, he has an ability that lets you play him from the graveyard, as well! So the more you mill with cards like Dakmor Salvage, the closer you could get to assembling this kind of a win condition. Note here that Lord of Extinction is another great card you can use to sacrifice to Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord since its power/toughness will be equal to ALL cards in ALL graveyards. This creature tends to be bigger than 40/40 in a windgrace deck, so count on killing every opponent at once with one Jarad activation with this creature. Speaking of big creatures and dredge, Golgari Grave-Troll is another great card to run in here.
Lastly, you wanna make sure that out of your 99 cards you get exactly what you want in your graveyard. There's some cards that can do that for you. Entomb and Buried Alive allow you to fetch Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord , Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar , Dakmor Salvage , Life from the Loam , etc. and put that into the graveyard. Expedition Map and Scapeshift allow you to get the exact lands that you want (scapeshift gives hella landfall triggers for your creatures), and Animate Dead and Necromancy can allow you to pull your creatures back out of the graveyard when you need them.
Again, these cards are just some suggestions. But you've been playing Windgrace for a while now and I thought I'd toss this info your way! Love the look of the new Orzhov deck and how interactive it is. See ya thursday!
3 days ago
I think Temple Bell / Howling Mine always sound like a good idea but ultimately become your undoing; especially in a multiplayer game... someone is gonna end up drawing/playing something you cant deal with and or combo off (thats my opinion)... in a 1V1 game it could work with blowing up lands with Sinkhole / Strip Mine and all that kinda fun stuff; and id say go the opposite rout of The Rack / Shrieking Affliction and go with Black Vise / Ebony Owl Netsuke .
I suggest Necrogen Mists to keep hands empty and Dakmor Salvage for its synergy with Smallpox / Raven's Crime ... for some protection Ensnaring Bridge can help keep creatures from plowing you over and Pack Rat / Zombie Infestation can be good for getting value from "dead" discard spells.... there is also the queen of 8-Rack herself Liliana of the Veil .
3 days ago
Bazzul I love the deck btw - though it won't likely compete with Godo, that's ok.
I've crunched the numbers and currently your mana cost for the entire build is 72 - the minimum mana cost for using naus is like 52(?) I believe. So the likelihood of you having enough mana's worth in hand to reliably cast naus as a simpler method is just not going to work.
Skeletal scrying for 30-odd would find you a decent chunk of what you're looking for, even giving you the chance to pitch Phantasmagorian without unmask.
Increasing your consistency I'd recommend some basic stax: The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale , Wasteland , Strip Mine ; some further lands you could consider: Myriad Landscape , Blighted Fen (for Bone Picker ), Bazaar of Baghdad , the new Blast Zone , Forbidden Orchard is a card that works collectively with opponents to block tymnas (you give them enough spirits that they can double-block to remove it / whatever you feel is necessary), Deserted Temple will make ritual lands faster, Scrying Sheets with snow-covered swamps will help you to dig for removal (albeit a bad mana sink).
For real though, love the brew; I tried to work something out with Belzenlok when he got spoiled, so seeing this puts me to shame. Nice one.
5 days ago
5 days ago
Also, I am calling that Explosion Zone may break standard. Mono-Blue Tempo, Mono-Red Burn, Mono-White Aggro/Azorius Aggro, and even a few other decks could easily be pushed out if it only destroyed 1 cmc nonlands, but because decks like Sultai base themselves on Wildgrowth Walker , Merfolk Branchwalker , and Hydroid Krasis (technically always 2 cmc on field), x=2 can shut them out too.
That land may also hurt control decks using Search for Azcanta Flip as their main engine, and new decks using walkers that use the 4 drop slot religiously with Tamiyo, Jace, Chandra, or 3 drop slot with the newer walkers from RNA and WAR.
Not to mention a Bant Teferi, Hero of Dominaria / Wilderness Reclamation + Nexus of Fate deck that can now play Explosion Zon], tap it to put counters, untap it on endstep and hold an activation for any CMC the turn they play it over their opponent's head.
But is also is a Ratchet Bomb on a land, making it incredibly good for Red and Black EDH decks that need to destroy enchantments (or artifacts for Black EDH decks), or green decks that want creature removal. It will probably be the best utility land in colorless, IMO surpassing lands like Winding Canyons , Maze of Ith , Reliquary Tower , even Strip Mine / Wasteland etc. only being beaten by Bazaar of Baghdad for decks like The Gitrog Monster , Ancient Tomb or maybe Gemstone Caverns for fast combo decks in cEDH, and The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale in stax lists.
Just sayin' it looks to be a 50 dollar staple in 5 years.
1 week ago
Overall, the Commander choice can be swapped to any Legendary. I don't particularly like Teysa, Orzhov Scion as you need Teysa + Razaketh, the Foulblooded + a creature. Teysa's ability doesn't work on herself and Razaketh can't sacrifice himself. Daxos is the same CMC as Teysa, so they work the same, except Daxos is Pay 2 Life: Search your Library for a card and put that card into your hand. Teysa needs another creature on board, and in order to get a second tutor, the creature that dies needs to be . You could run Darkest Hour but you need to ensure it is on board before you sacrifice. If Darkest Hour is your first tutor, the you still have the issue of needing to sacrifice a creature for the Teysa token to enter.
Daxos + Razaketh + = Tutor.
Teysa + Razaketh + Creature = Tutor.
In both scenarios the Commander can be sacrificed for a second Tutor, but Teysa doesn't provide any value being sacrificed. Teysa doesn't see added value if the first creature sacrificed isn't Black, and won't see value over Daxos with the additional tutor line until the third Tutor. If need be, Daxos can be your second sacrifice, but with Teysa you will want to keep her on board to get any value from her.
Sanctum Prelate is an interesting card. My only concern is what number would we call? 2 seems most likely, to stop Counter magic, but that stops us from casting 2/3 of our Reanimate Auras. You could call 1 in order to stop the single mana Counters and then you only stop your own Altar of the Brood .
Winter Orb is a great idea, I will definitely look into adding it with other stuff like Defense Grid . You should not overvalue Serra's Sanctum though. I have it included in the deck because I own it, but it is rarely game breaking. It is a good land, but most games end before it really starts to show value. I find myself tutoring for Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth more often.
There are 8 cards to win from the LRW combo. A few of these pieces can be removed. Altar of the Brood is not one that should be removed though. It provides a win from LRW or the Bomberman combo. Grim Guardian works with both combos, (as long as you're running Daxos as the Commander), and Underworld Coinsmith is primarily for Bomberman. If you're looking to cut one or more of them, Falkenrath Noble is the most expensive to cast. If you want the universal effect then Cruel Celebrant or Zulaport Cutthroat are likely cuts. Altar of Dementia provides a Mill win if you don't have access to Altar of the Brood. This is a useful piece to keep as it helps you win around Solitary Confinement / Phyrexian Unlife effects.
1 week ago
I appreciate that he's a reasonable mana sink; but one has to resolve bomberman, wait for an entire turn pass, then it can win. For this reason I believe that he's ineffective.
Whereas Teysa, Orzhov Scion features an interaction package, replaces herself, and feeds razaketh like a proper champ, turning most bodies into 2 bodies. You can even just tutor for Darkest Hour off of the first raza' activation and then you have unbounded raza' fodder.
Personally (though it only sees fringe-play) I like Sanctum Prelate as a hatebear. If you know a card that is likely to stop you from winning, it's very easy to name it's mana cost and have it remain as a continuous hatebear.
Your lands could use some work too; cutting Vault of the Archangel (if you have 5 mana to spare then I feel like something's going wrong) for a card like Lake of the Dead , Strip Mine , Wasteland . Depending on how low your hand gets, some lands which draw are viable too like Sea Gate Wreckage .
You currently have 7 cards that win from LRW (not including coinsmith). That seems like a lot for a deck with access to the best tutors; I'd recommend stripping some of the worse ones down like Altar of the Brood and Altar of Dementia and replacing them with more hate. I'd recommend Bitter Ordeal as an alternate win condition, because it's not shut out by null rod, or any single counterspell (except flusterstorm, but screw that card).
Authority of the Consuls is neat, depending on your meta. It stops godo and some other decks, but I'd be hesitant to run it alongside Blind Obedience . Is there a particular reason for this? If it's just a hateful card, I'd recommend trying out Victimize or Reanimate as I'm sure your hateful cards could use another go.
1 week ago
Have you considered Strip Mine for this deck as I believe it is an extremely powerful card that should go in every deck that has been made. Playing Elves especially can go very quickly with very little lands as they have an extreme amount of mana dorks such as Druid of the Cowl or Elvish Mystic for that early game advantage, so I am of the belief with all of the mana that you are already producing, then you will be able to start to limit your opponent on colors to get some very fast and you will then have the ability to effect the late game, which is something that elves are gravely missing.
Strip Mine occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.16%
BRG (Jund): 1.04%
BUG (Sultai): 1.03%