The Hive (38)
- 1x Arid Mesa
- 1x Badlands
- 1x Bayou
- 1x Bloodstained Mire
- 1x Breeding Pool
- 1x Cascade Bluffs
- 1x Cavern of Souls
- 1x City of Brass
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Flooded Grove
- 1x Flooded Strand
- 1x Gaea's Cradle
- 1x Gemstone Mine
- 1x Hallowed Fountain
- 1x Homeward Path
- 1x Mana Confluence
- 1x Marsh Flats
- 1x Misty Rainforest
- 1x Mystic Gate
- 1x Plateau
- 1x Polluted Delta
- 1x Reflecting Pool
- 1x Savannah
- 1x Scalding Tarn
- 1x Scrubland
- 1x Sliver Hive
- 1x Steam Vents
- 1x Sunken Ruins
- 1x Taiga
- 1x Tropical Island
- 1x Tundra
- 1x Underground Sea
- 1x Verdant Catacombs
- 1x Volcanic Island MP
- 1x Volrath's Stronghold
- 1x Watery Grave
- 1x Windswept Heath
- 1x Wooded Foothills
The Brood (30)
- 1x Amoeboid Changeling
- 1x Basal Sliver
- 1x Blur Sliver
- 1x Bonescythe Sliver
- 1x Bonesplitter Sliver
- 1x Brood Sliver
- 1x Crypt Sliver
- 1x Crystalline Sliver
- 1x Dormant Sliver
- 1x Essence Sliver
- 1x Galerider Sliver
- 1x Gemhide Sliver
- 1x Harmonic Sliver
- 1x Heart Sliver
- 1x Hibernation Sliver
- 1x Homing Sliver
- 1x Manaweft Sliver
- 1x Necrotic Sliver
- 1x Quick Sliver
- 1x Sedge Sliver
- 1x Sentinel Sliver
- 1x Shifting Sliver
- 1x Sinew Sliver
- 1x Sliver Hivelord
- 1x Sliver Legion
- 1x Sliver Queen SL
- 1x Striking Sliver
- 1x Syphon Sliver
- 1x Venom Sliver
- 1x Winged Sliver
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- 1x Chromatic Lantern
- 1x Coalition Relic
- 1x Darksteel Ingot
- 1x Enlightened Tutor
- 1x Mana Crypt
- 1x Mana Echoes
- 1x Mirri's Guile
- 1x Nature's Lore
- 1x Paradox Engine
- 1x Patriarch's Bidding
- 1x Rhystic Study
- 1x Scroll Rack
- 1x Sensei's Divining Top
- 1x Skyshroud Claim
- 1x Sol Ring
- 1x Sylvan Library
- 1x Training Grounds
- 1x Unnatural Selection
- 1x Vampiric Tutor
- 1x Wheel of Fortune
- 1x Yawgmoth's Will SL
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thegigibeast: Paradox engine definitely piqued my interest, and after a bit of brief experimentation I came to the conclusion that if I were to include it, it'd replace Synapse Sliver. This is my thought process:
Pro: It's effect stacks, and applies to all other slivers in play.
Con: requires mana
Con: is a 3/3 for
Con: requires combat damage to be dealt for effect ability to trigger
February 20, 2017 4:47 p.m.
DVLuca, the problem with Hunter Sliver + Venom Sliver - cool combo where can target a single enemy creature and deathtouch it goodnight, but the problem is that the sliver engaging the provoke will likely die in the process. That's why I'd prefer Striking Sliver over Hunter. Thanks for the suggestion though!
February 20, 2017 4:52 p.m.
Sinew sliver should be change to predatory sliver?
If you run with predatory and bonesplitter sliver.I'll suggest about triumph the horde and bring to light package. With galerider sliver and some more slivers will take down one opponent without sliver overlord.
My version a bit different. I run cryptorith rite,green sun's zenith, for finding gemhide or manasweft asap.
Other package are elrich evolution,chord of calling,bring to light combine with seedborn muse. With counter for backup plan you'll have a great moment with quick sliver.
When i encounter with blue or muticolor with blue.Phyrexian metamorph very dangerous for me. Steely resolve and crystalline are the first plan to protect overlord. I'm not run gain control package because when crystalline in play this combo cant be use anymore. Constringting sliver can survive with elesh norn easier more than gain control it. With crystalline sliver or steely resolve and couter backup. Dont worry about return creature exile with it.
I will edit card in full name later. My mobile cant do that
February 24, 2017 9:44 p.m.
My Apologise. I cant edit my last post
Additional with Imperial Recruiter,Eladamri's Call,Demonic Tutor for Manaswept/Gemhide sliver or Seedborn Muse
Now Considering for Bloom Tender.
Can i ask about Scroll Rack and Mirri's Guile. Is it OK?
February 25, 2017 6:29 a.m.
Greetings Vegnus, thank you for your input. The hive is pleased. You wrote quite a bit, so i'll address your suggestions and thoughts in small bullets. Additionally, consult the formatting tips and comment tutorials when posting future comments.
"Sinew sliver should be change to predatory sliver?": I prefer Sinew Sliver over Predatory because it keeps me from being too reliant on . The deck is 5 color, and designed to not be too reliant on any one color. If I start to lean on too much, then that'll require me to have to modify my manabase.
"I'll suggest about triumph the horde and bring to light package": Triumph of the Hordes is an okay sorcery at best. Additionally, I have no means of Proliferating so there's hardly a point in including it. Bring to Light is an interesting tutor, one I haven't considered. If I were to include it, i'd have to have access to 5 different types of mana when casting it to take full advantage. While i'd more likely than not will have access to 5 different types of mana...it doesn't seem like it'd work as consistently as i'd like. I'll keep it in mind though.
"My version a bit different. I run cryptorith rite,green sun's zenith, for finding gemhide or manasweft asap."": Refer to my comments about why I included Sinew Sliver over Predatory Sliver. I don't want to lean too much on . Simple as that.
"Other package are elrich evolution,chord of calling,bring to light combine with seedborn muse. With counter for backup plan you'll have a great moment with quick sliver.": Why would I bother with Eldritch Evolution when I have Vampiric Tutor/Sliver Overlord? Additionally, I have a ton of top deck manipulation in the form of Sylvan Library and other cards like it. While I may not have a ton of tutors, they're not really all that needed. I am considering Demonic Tutor over Enlightened Tutor. As for Seedborn Muse...it's not a Sliver. It doesn't belong.
February 25, 2017 5:22 p.m.
Yes this modern masters is looking amazing for value. I definitely want some of those fetchlands.
March 2, 2017 11:12 a.m.
March 31, 2017 8:23 a.m.
You can't heal quad with Essense sliver. At the time of printing Essense Sliver, Lifelink wasn't a thing, so dispite having Essense sliver and Siphon Sliver out, you would not be healing for quad. Double strike, on the other hand, does give you double.
April 8, 2017 11:52 p.m.
Thank you for the comment, Troys50. This is definitely another one of those much needed sanity check moments. However, I think you're wrong. I'll explain in a few points.
"At the time of printing Essense Sliver, Lifelink wasn't a thing" - if this is the case, then why didn't wizards change the wording when they reprinted the card at a much later date ala Timespiral - Essence Sliver. Wizards had the opportunity to errata the card...but didn't. By timespiral lifelink definitely existed.
Then I looked up previous rulings and found this: "The Oracle text has the answer: Essence Sliver does neither have nor grant lifelink. It has a triggered ability that's cumulative." - CarstenHaese, Level 2 Magic Judge - Source
So while I appreciate you giving me a sanity check, I think it would be best if you actually gave a source or two when discussing rulings on cards. Tell me your thoughts on this - Did I miss a ruling Wizards gave that erratas Essence Sliver's ability? What made you think that Essence Sliver was modified/changed/corrected?
April 9, 2017 10:02 a.m.
My god... I wish I can foil out my tribal Dragons lol. And I have always wanted to play with slivers at one point. but I will never be able to afford this XD.
April 10, 2017 5:11 p.m.
Oh there's way to afford this, you just make some necessary cuts to the manabase as a start. Using weaker lands like Rupture Spire, Opulent Palace, Transguild Promenade, Esper Panorama and the others, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse. It slows the deck down considerably but it would still be playable.
April 10, 2017 5:29 p.m.
CinnaToastKrunch, this deck was years in the making I kid you not. I fell in love with Slivers from the moment I met them back in Legions. A friend made a standard deck and quickly wiped the floor with me and my Wizard tribal deck (it was a garbage deck, btw). You can build this as well, you just need to carefully spend and plan is all. Delta-117 had the right idea to get the cost down, most of the monies poured into this deck are from the revised dual lands (the cheapest instance of the "original" dual lands, btw). The deck would be around $500-ish dollars if you removed the duals, and some of the high priced counterspells (Mana Drain specifically), artifacts (Mana Crypt) and Fetchlands.
April 10, 2017 8:19 p.m.
April 11, 2017 10:09 a.m.
Actually, CinnaToastKrunch I think if you want to pursue a Mana Crypt (which is a must have for any EDH deck) now would be the time to do it since there are so many fresh instances of the card roaming around. I think you could get a MP copy for around $50 to $40. Your dragons will be much faster with a Mana Crypt in their coffers.
April 11, 2017 12:23 p.m.
Well that's a bit unfortunate with the fact i sold one when EMA came out lol. But I feel you are right and I will try and trade for one or something! Thank you!
April 11, 2017 12:47 p.m.
@LVL_666 I had heard this from my friends that this was not the case, that quad healing wasn't something possible with Essence Sliver. Guess you can't trust your friends, huh? Hail the Brood Queen! Bows
April 15, 2017 6:29 p.m.
Troys50, you don't need friends when you have slivers LOL.
April 15, 2017 6:58 p.m.
Commander 2017 has been announced for August.
In summary there will only be 4 decks rather than 5 this time around, but they will be different than usual. These will be based on "some of Magic's most popular, and interesting, tribes!"
Do you think there is any slight chance of stuff for sliver cards? Or is it more likely going to be elves, zombies, goblins, and merfolk?
April 18, 2017 11:30 a.m.
First of all, I must give my love to the hive. These are my favorite critters in all of Magic.
More importantly, though, I have seen this in many other Sliver decks and feel the need to bring it to your attention as well. It concerns the Crystalline Sliver. Since it gives Slivers shroud, it hurts the use of certain other Slivers, as well as the Amoeboid Changeling + Sliver Overlord combo (can't swipe opponents' critters with the Crystalline in play).
I mention this because I ran into similar problems with my Sliver EDH deck. The Crystalline Sliver hampered the use of certain abilities unless I had ways of returning it to hand before using said abilities. Obviously, though, this made the Slivers vulnerable to opponents' spells/abilities while I was trying to do other things.
April 18, 2017 5:30 p.m.
marcus1679 thanks for your input and upvote, the hive is most pleased. I share your concerns about Crystalline Sliver, that's why I kept the number of Slivers with targeting based abilities down to a minimum - there's only Crypt Sliver and Amoeboid Changeling in the deck. Ideally, i'd like to have Magma Sliver in the deck, but due to the high likelihood of Crystalline Sliver being in play I decided against it.
The combo between Amoeboid Changeling and Sliver Overlord is amazing, but it's not essential to me getting a wincon...so it's worthwhile to keep. Crypt Sliver is just good to have in case I don't have Crystalline out on the field. One of the best synergies in the deck however, is Crystalline Sliver and Sliver Hivelord - Indestructible AND shroud? yes please. If only there were a well crafted sliver that also had/shared the ability of hexproof. One can only dream...
April 18, 2017 5:52 p.m.
LVL_666, I agree with the hexproof ability. It's something I have been dreaming about for a while as well.
As far as the Crypt Sliver is concerned, consider replacing it with the Clot Sliver. You would still have regeneration, but without the need to target. And with Mana Echoes and Training Grounds, the mana cost for the Clot's ability is negligible.
April 18, 2017 6:03 p.m.
Yeah I think that would be neat, I had thought of a sliver with hexproof like that too. I even thought up a name for it at one point, and I thought it could be called Apex Sliver or something like that, and it would be another 5 colour sliver potentially.
LVL_666 I don't think you noticed my earlier comment but I mentioned anyways the announcement of commander 2017, and there will be 4 rather than five. However they will be focused on tribes this time around. There accordingly is going to be a total of 56 new cards across the 4 four decks.
Wouldn't it be amazing to get something for slivers, potentially even some new ones? I do hope this happens. Do you think Wizards statement of "some of Magic's most popular, and interesting, tribes!" might mean this?
Also I thought I would mention the existence of the new land card Cascading Cataracts which you might find interesting despite the fact by turn 4-5 you will ideally have all your colors anyways, I think despite that it might still be useful here potentially.
April 18, 2017 6:30 p.m.
Delta-117, you're awesome with always bringing me the latest and greatest. Thank you, the hive should consider you it's herald lol. But the very interesting announcement you sent has my hive mind teeming with excitement... but as for your question...a hopeful maybe- i'll say 65% yes. Why? Because Slivers are incredibly popular, but have been limited to a sometimes only affair- Wizards introduces new broodlings every few years or so, rarely producing new slivers in large groups. The last time a large group was made was back in Time Spiral when they introduced 26 new slivers at once - source. Ever since then they've introduced them in smaller numbers. If they do make slivers one of the four choices in Commander 2017, then they might make a few new slivers unique to the set due to the following statement in the article you linked before:
"The set features four new tribal-themed, 100-card decks including 56 all-new Magic cards legal in Vintage and Legacy."
I'm truly hopeful for that, but take it worth a grain of salt. Additionally, if The Professor of TolarianCommunityCollege was accurate in his prediction of the set after Amonkhet (I can't remember which video...but he said it!) will be set back on the plane of Dominara, which is the new home of the Slivers due to Rath being destroyed. If we don't see slivers in Commander 2017, then Wizards may reintroduce Slivers in a Time Spiral-esque fashion by introducing a large new set of broodlings. Obviously i'd like to see Slivers in both sets. Sliver Legion is LONG past due for a new printing in my opinion.
Sorry for ranting, hope you enjoyed reading.
April 18, 2017 9:09 p.m.
I do hope The Professor's prediction comes true, I never was playing magic at the time of Dominara even though I do know a lot of the lore now.
I never got to play with slivers early on. I only discovered slivers about 3 years ago (Started magic at around Journey into Nyx and mainly played with a lot of theros stuff first) when I had a friend who happened to have some m14 slivers and I one day I traded for some such as a Galerider Sliver and 2 much older Russian Sidewinder Slivers who he originally got from someone else I think. I didn't even know at the time that there was more older ones but I found these interesting and wanted the ones he had.
Later on when where I lived actually got a game store that opened and had started to doing Fnms had I found out from two people the format of commander who both owned Sliver Overlord edh decks that there were more slivers. At this point I was practically already playing with a commander deck lol, as my casual magic deck was a deck featuring cards like Prophet of Kruphix, Heroes' Bane, Arcanis the Omnipotent, Horizon Chimera, and a bunch of other things. This became later my first commander deck with Vorel of the Hull Clade (Now it's an Atraxa, Praetors' Voice deck with Vorel still in it btw) and I started to also plan a Sliver Overlord deck.
One of the two I mentioned at my lgs even in time decided to sell his sliver overlord deck because he never got to play it enough, so I traded for some older slivers like Sinew Sliver, Brood Sliver, Fungus Sliver, and a couple others he had. He however wanted to keep Sliver Legion, Sliver Queen, Sliver Overlord and Sliver Hivelord.
I have my own Sliver Overlord, and Sliver Hivelord now but I still need to in time buy the others. Then I got to acquire some of the lands to finish my deck. I regret earlier trades that I have done however, use to have a Wooded Foothills, Windswept Heath,Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, Steam Vents and Temple Garden but I traded them all away thinking I wouldn't need them, and I sure was very wrong. It was rather silly of me still being new to the game sort of then.
Like I even opened at one point a Windswept Heath expedition not knowing it's entire value but I sleeved it still because they looked nice. I later discovered and sold it for store credit at a store and bought a bunch of cards with it like Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Omnath, Locus of Mana, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, I think you get the point. All these big splashy cards to go into my casual magic decks to use on my friends. Then I later when I started playing magic a bit more seriously it rather sucked to realize I had no use for them in standard or modern or wanted to use them for edh any longer. That store even had Sliver Legion and Sliver Queen but I didn't yet know about slivers :(
Going to now anyways buy them next once I first open a bunch of Amonkhet for standard stuff perhaps. Although it would be nice to see a reprint for the Sliver Legion. The next set after Amonkhet however though has turned out to be one called Ixalan I think it was spelled? This looks to be a mesoamerican inspired plane so there's no hope for slivers in September/January. More likely will get a few merfolk instead is my guess. However maybe the block after in the summer could be dominara? I would live to see slivers as first of all I would enjoy playing them in standard as I never got to do that earlier. Then anything for edh would be awesome. Currently have my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice, Sliver Overlord although the lands are fairly budget, and Athreos, God of Passage for my edh decks. I am trying to upgrade them all slowly over time as I'm as well upgrading my very costly modern infect deck (Need Noble Hierarch playset and 5 more green related fetchlands) and a little before that my b/g delirium deck for standard (rather absurd its more than my Atraxa deck in $ right now thanks to a playset of Grim Flayer, Liliana, the Last Hopes, Blooming Marsh, and what not making it like over $470 I believe, use to be a bit more value but it's falling). As you can see I'm trying to slowly upgrade rather a lot of things even though my standard I'm happy with for now, but I do hope to finish Slivers maybe by the fall is my guess?
Now if you thought you were ranting then that is nothing compared to all of this! This is much worse so I do apologize. (Longest TappedOut comment I have made I think in the little more than a year on here now lol).
April 18, 2017 11:11 p.m.
Delta-117, I enjoyed reading your experience with the game. I started magic back in 2002 during the Onslaught block. I played off and on between high school, college and now as an adult with a professional job. I consider myself a "serious-casual" - I don't participate in drafts/game day/FNM/tournaments often, but I do frequent my lgs from time to time. Additionally, I have one really high end deck in my format of choice. I also have a few other decks for less serious play - casual EDH or casual. As the years go on, i'll just maintain and update this deck while picking up a few new cards here and there, or maybe a Commander deck that looks interesting.
As for the trading of cards that turn out to be more valuable down the road...hindsight is 20/20. I've traded away more Fetchlands than I could count...back in onslaught I remember getting annoyed because all I would seem to open were Polluted Deltas...I traded away a foil one. So yeah, I feel your pain. Every time I go to this page I always cringe a little bit looking at TCGPlayer's pricetag on this deck, I feel so silly spending so much money on just...cardboard. Best believe I didn't spend $3K...more like...$1,500-$1,700. I like to think of this deck as a reminder for me to keep my spending under control.
Sliver Queen, my favorite sliver unfortunately will never have a new printing due to her being on the reserved list. So when new slivers are printed demand for her will likely rise...so if you do plan on getting the legendary Slivers, i'd go for her first. But be weary, decks that have her have combos built around her, so you will have to make room for the other cards that compliment her directly i.e. Mana Echoes, Basal Sliver, and Training Grounds just to name a few. If you want to focus on strictly aggro, then she may not contribute as much. I'd say Sliver Legion would be your best choice. If we do see Sliver Queen in the future, then I think she'd have to be an all new planeswalker...which would be AMAZING. If she also had a built in tutor ability, then she'd obviously be the new general of this deck...but one can dream.
It's always a pleasure talking magic with you Delta-117, please keep me posted with whatever stuff you find. Additionally, i'm working on a page for Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder, but progress is slow because i'm lazy. But I promise you once it debuts, it'll be a really awesome deck page...and a good casual deck as well.
April 19, 2017 10 a.m.
Well looks like something got leaked early, and so wizards made an official announcement of it anyways. It's called Iconic Masters.
You earlier mentioned you thought it was time for Sliver Legion to have a reprint and maybe that could very well come true with this. This following statement I think could support that.
"Iconic Masters offers players a tour through some of the most powerful cards in over 23 years of Magic history. Featuring new artwork on many cards, the set brings an array of massive Angels, Sphinxes, Demons, Dragons, and Hydras alongside some of our favorite and most memorable spells."
I hope to see some commander goodies from this.
April 20, 2017 12:02 p.m.
I should soon before too long be getting my own copy of Sliver Queen and Sliver Legion (and some stuff for a modern deck) as part of a trade. That friend of mine I mentioned earlier has decided he is going to part with these slivers as he already sold off his sliver commander deck about a year ago as he never got to play it much and was just losing a bit of interest in the format previously. I'm going to be buying him 2 Chalice of the Void that he needed for modern, once I soon get my store credit for selling some cards mostly from standard and a couple from mm2017.
Once I have these I need to just focus on lands to upgrade my rather budget mana base.
April 26, 2017 9:21 p.m.
Delta-117, iconic masters would be a great opportunity to see a reprint of Sliver Legion, but I think it may be too early to get our hopes up. If anything, I think it'd be a great opportunity to branch out and acquire some of the more popular "traditional" creatures in Magic. Personally, I want to build a Dragon themed commander deck and from what I recall Commander 2017 will feature one. Can't wait to pick it up.
Regarding your trade agreement for Sliver Queen and Sliver Legion with your friend, I would be weary of your arrangement. According to StarCityGames, the Mirrodin release for Chalice of the Void runs for about $70 - $80 (source) while Sliver Queen runs for about $40 (source) and Sliver Legion goes for about $37 - $40 (source). Since you're acquiring and trading two Chalices for the Slivers you'd be paying roughly $80 more than you should be. You should reassess your trade and ask for more in return.
April 27, 2017 12:33 p.m.
Edit for the previous post: So I just re-read your comment, and saw that you were also getting some misc. popular modern cards in addition to the Slivers. Make sure they are worth at least $80!
April 27, 2017 12:38 p.m.
Yeah I could have added on to that a bit, I'm getting 2x Wurmcoil Engines, a playset of Remands, a 1x Sundering Titan, and 1x Solemn Simulacrum with this as well. All of that is for a modern deck I'm building instead of infect which I'm postponing finishing for now to instead build something cheaper.
But we follow prices of the store Face to Face Games, not sure if you have heard of them however as they are a Canadian store. Wurmcoil Engines for example are about $19-20 CAD/ US $14. While the NM slivers go for about $50 CAD / $36-37 US, and i'm buying him the two chalices for $170 CAD / $125 US for those 10 cards in return.
I was using about $110 Cad/ $80 US store credit I had to pay towards this anyways from a bunch of standard stuff like a foil Chandra, Torch of Defiance, 3 Spirebluff Canals, a Craterhoof Behemoth, etc which was all stuff I was relatively not using so i'm not too sad too see them go to actually pay less of this myself.
Going between these prices all must seem a little confusing sorry about that, and while I didn't still didn't even list everything mentioned the trade is one I'm fine with as I was paying for a good chunk of it with store credit. But thank you for your concern anyways in suggesting the trade might not have been in my favour.
I was building Mono Blue Tron anyways if you have heard of the deck for modern, if your not aware it feature's Urza's Tower, Urza's Power Plant, and Urza's Mine along with Expedition Map to produce tons of mana quickly to play threats like Wurmcoil Engine and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. It features Treasure Mage which can find a variety of artifact cards like a 1x Platinum Angel, a Sundering Titan the 2x wurmcoils, and Mindslaver which you can use alongside Academy Ruins for some fun for you anyways. Then in the early turns you have Remand, Condescend, Spatial Contortion among other things to slow your opponent down and of course preventing them from killing you before you can play your threats.
I pretty much go to fnm each week for every format, I have a deck for standard, 2 decks for commander, this deck I'm working on for modern as well as my rather budget infect (The friend I mentioned after this trade is going to let me borrow the remainder of what I need for this Mono Blue tron deck at fnms until I either buy/trade for it or acquire my own pieces). Still need an Academy Ruins, a playset of the urza lands (have 1 tower though) and a Oblivion Stone.I as well have even a deck even for pauper ( Slivers featuring playsets of Muscle Sliver, Sinew Sliver, and Predatory Sliver and others bolstered by things like Rancor and Armadillo Cloak it's a lot of fun and is cheap :) ).
April 27, 2017 1:19 p.m.
I play with a similar deck (..."all hail the Hive!"...) and Blood Moon got me big time the last time.
Also there is another player that has an elf deck that is so much faster than slivers... and still I prefer the hive...
I look forward to new sliver cards, and definitively we should get the 1st 5-color planeswalker.
April 27, 2017 9:23 p.m.
As for deciding between Arcane Denial and Force of Will, it all comes down to your meta's power level and preference. I personally like Force better because it can be cast quicker, but without knowing the power level of your group I can't say if Denial would be better or not (I am not really sure if this is a tuned Slivers list because they all look the same to me... sorry about that).
If your playgroup is powerful, run Force. If not, keep Denial in.
One more suggestion I have is for one of my pet cards - Xenograft. It gives you a lot more flexibility in being able to run more utility creatures while still getting benefits from them.
April 27, 2017 9:28 p.m.
Mythwind, I'm all too aware of cards like Blood Moon and Back to Basics. They are quite scary. I'm considering running a sideboard of 5 basics, one for each color. What lands should I swap out when placing them in? I'm inclined to replace the Shock Lands when necessary. Thoughts?
April 27, 2017 10:25 p.m.
TheGrayMerchant, or should I say...Gary! Ha, I kid. So the power level of my play group is somewhat irrelevant. The idea behind this deck is to create an ideal, high end Sliver deck. I mean, i'm freaking running Mana Drain, so that already gives you an idea of the caliber of decks the Hive will be facing. I was just concerned over the inclusion of Force of Will due to the ratio of in the deck. Do you think I would have a card in hand when I need to cast the spell? What do you think are the odds of me having both Force of Will and a spell to compliment it?
April 27, 2017 10:32 p.m.
I think the main question as it pertains to including Force of Will is if you have enough in the deck to be able to use its alternate casting method. If you can't do this consistently, then pull it and go with another alternative that would be a cheaper cast, like Arcane Denial.
I like the looks of this deck, and it appears you've got quite the funds tied up into it, especially the mana base. Very nice.
April 27, 2017 11:11 p.m.
bushido_man96, do I have enough in the deck to reliably cast Force of Will for it's alternative cost? Know what? I don't think so. Of the 100 cards in the deck, only 19 are blue including the Force of Will itself. I'll stick with Arcane Denial. Unless you can think of a better alternative?
Oh, and yes...I do have a ton of funds tied up into this deck. It's my one really good deck that I plan to maintain as Magic continues onward. It's the manifestation of my dedication to my favorite tribe, and in my opinion it is the definitive "ideal" Sliver EDH deck.
April 28, 2017 7:43 a.m.
From taking a quick glance at the deck again, I would say that you have enough to run force (on mobile so can't really go through every card). When using force in an EDH deck I try to have a minimum of 10 blue cards + force. Even if you don't have force, you look like you have enough ramp to cast it normally.
April 28, 2017 7:46 a.m.
Well, TheGrayMerchant I have 19 blue cards in total (that's including the gold ones). I'm apprehensive to persue Force of Will due to 1. Cost (yes, I do realize this deck is quite expensive...but I don't want to spend any more money than I need to) and 2. Reliability: roughly 20 out of 100 cards are blue, that means I have roughly a 1 in 4 chance i'll have a blue card to accompany Force when I cast it for it's alternative cost. For $100, I'd want higher chances than that. Your thoughts?
April 28, 2017 7:59 a.m.
April 28, 2017 2:58 p.m.
I think you should, that card is such a staple for blue in commander. Arcane Denial even helps your opponent a bit after. That kind of card I would rather use in a deck like Nekusar, the Mindrazer to punish them for drawing those cards.
I just got a foil Cyclonic Rift recently in a trade and I have only got to use it once so far but I have to say it is pretty awesome using that overload cost and I definitely recommend that you give the card a try to see for yourself here.
April 28, 2017 3:50 p.m.
I kind of agree with Delta-117. It really just depends on how much countermagic you want vs removal. If you get to pull off Cyclonic Rift with the overload (and really, in commander, when shouldn't you?), with the hoard of slivers you run, that would be a game-ender for at least one opponent. I think you should go with the Rift.
April 28, 2017 6:02 p.m.
April 29, 2017 8:06 p.m.
Yeah I think it has more usefulness, the capability to bring back a multitude of useful cards beats out having a a creature I think. However maybe there could be room for both still, but I'm not too sure of what would have to be taken out to do that.
April 29, 2017 8:57 p.m.
Since you brought up Volrath's Stronghold, that reminded me of the card Wheel of Sun and Moon which I suggest you consider using here if you can find room. If your slivers die they rather go to the bottom of your graveyard where they can be easily tutored for again by your commander.
I just happened to think of this card because you mentioned Volrath's Stronghold and all which is of course a way to recur things from the graveyard and this I think would be a good addition here either in place of that land or in addition to it.
April 29, 2017 11:40 p.m.
Delta-117 Wheel of Sun and Moon is an interesting card but I have the option of using Pulmonic Sliver for that. Sure, WoSaM is cheaper cmc wise, it's not tutorable and kind of one dimensional serving as ONLY a form of graveyard recursion for creatures. All of the recursion in this deck is multipurpose - allowing me to return multiple creatures at once, or letting me play anything I want in my graveyard. Volrath's Stronghold is interesting because it's also a manasource, but i'm only considering it. I think i'll get it later on down the road. For now, i'm going to start working on the deck page for Moskstraumen my new Yidris deck. Check it out when you get a chance. It's still in it's rough stages though.
May 2, 2017 9:42 a.m.
Dude... this deck is amazing... im realy jealous.
And how on earth did you create this deck page??
May 23, 2017 4:59 p.m.
Lucky_Dutch, thanks for the compliment. It took me a -long- time, favors, and lots of ebay deals to get this monstrosity assembled. Also, my fiancee (will be wife come this Sunday!) got me the most amazing deck box- refer to "the queen's egg". How'd I create this deck page? CSS. So, it's kind of an unofficial "feature" of the site. Basically the great ones who run this will tolerate us customizing our deck pages if we do it responsibly. If you want to do it, you have to:
- Not do things half-assed. You will make mistakes, just make sure you're willing to spend the time to fix them.
- Read over the directions thoroughly.
- Ask questions. There's a coding forum.
If you're willing to do those three things, then customizing a deck page would be for you.
May 24, 2017 12:37 p.m.
Congrats on youre engagement!!
The next thing is to upgrade the mana base of my deck.I whas thinking to add more fetch but i'm not sure thats the way to go..
May 25, 2017 5:50 p.m.
June 2, 2017 9:31 a.m.
So Thorncaster Sliver came across my radar sometime ago, and my reasons for not including are thus - for a 2/2 that can deal potentially 3 points of damage in a given turn is lackluster. Terrible. Not worth the mana. Additionally, there are plenty of other slivers that cost (in varying colors) that are just plain better - Brood Sliver the Legendary Slivers and Synapse Sliver just to name a few. It's synergy with Venom Sliver is nice and all, but that's the only card let alone sliver it'd have any actual synergy with. To make it more viable, i'd have to include Toxin Sliver as well, but i'd prefer to keep my current line up. tl:dr - it's CMC is too high for what good it actually does.
June 2, 2017 11:04 a.m.
What about Vizier of the Manegerie, volrathz's stronghold, descendants path, and why u removed scroll Rack?
June 6, 2017 4:22 a.m.
Vizier of the Menagerie is not a sliver, and therefore does not belong in the hive.
Volrath's Stronghold, I am considering. I do need additional graveyard recursion outside of Yawgmoth's Will and Patriarch's Bidding. What land do you think I should swap out for it? I'm considering swapping out Mutavault, but removing it would be removing another Sliver.
Descendants' Path I considered, but ultimately deemed it unnecessary. This deck is pretty fast, and once Paradox Engine hits the field, I can end up playing every single sliver in my library if I have enough slivers in play.
Why did I remove Scroll Rack? It's not removed. I simply upgraded to the masterpiece version of it. It's under Legacy Catalysts.
Question, do you know how to tag cards? If not, please check out this page for help. It makes it easier on the reader when they can just hover their mouse of the card, as opposed to having to look it up. Thanks!
June 6, 2017 9:28 a.m.
About Paradox Engine its fcking awsome but you cant relay only that. Seedborn Muse isnt a sliver too, Thats why I play the Vizier of the Menagerie, has great sinergy with Descendants' Path and Sensei's Divining Top also if u add the Volrath's Stronghold has another sinergy
June 7, 2017 8:13 a.m.
Pls check out my Sliver deck list, http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/slivers-time/ it would be great that you can feedback me! Thnx in adv!
June 9, 2017 7:33 p.m.
Pozo2212, i'll gladly help you out with your deck. BTW, you can link your deck by using:
If you changed the name of your deck, it'll always have the original name you gave it And if you were to advertise your deck, then use:
June 10, 2017 9:34 a.m.
Ixalan has been leaked somewhat, and now there's actually been more cards spoiled for September's set than there has been for the one less than 2 weeks away...
Found this card you might like. It's a rare enchantment that costs 2.
"As Arcane Adaptation enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Creatures you control are the chosen type in addition to their other types. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that arent on the battlefield."
This means if you wanted you could use something like Seedborn Muse which is now actually tutorable if you wanted to.
June 15, 2017 3:09 p.m.
This deck is awesome, Im using this deck as my main deck. Im really interested. But maybe you would consider some card like:Diffusion Sliver
June 16, 2017 7:51 a.m.
Delta-117, thanks for keeping me in the loop regarding spoilers. Arcane Adaptation has my curiosity, but it's synergy (at least to me) seems too niche to be useful in this deck. If this deck incorporated alot of non-slivers, then I could see a potential use for it. Additionally, Vanquisher's Banner also has my curiosity. It reminds me of Coat of Arms. Arcane Adaptation is not a must include, but it is interesting.
But what has my attention is the announcement of a return to Dominaria, the current home to Slivers according to MTG lore. That guarantees we will be getting more of our favorite hive-minded tribe come 2018. If they reveal any Sliver Planeswalker(s) I'll be getting two of each, in foil. Who am I kidding? I'll likely acquire all the slivers from that set in foil as well.
Pypoh, welcome to the hive. Thanks for commenting on the page, and thanks for the compliments. So you're interested in building your own Queen's Egg, hm? Well are you building a paper copy, or on MTGO? If you're building a paper copy, then I'll give you some advice - try your best to get involved with an MTG community, and try and buy cards directly from individuals. Maybe see if you can perhaps help with odd jobs and etc to get a discount on some cards? That helped me out some. Additionally, check out the Hivestone > Other Information > Building this Deck section. It'll give you an idea for how much some of the more expensive lands costs. Try and get your deck for less than what I paid!
In regards to Diffusion Sliver, it used to be in this deck, but the problem was that if someone wanted to remove a sliver, then they could easily pay the extra . Due to the nature of the format...mana is kind of a non-issue in EDH/Commander. So in closing - Diffusion Sliver's ability is moot, because the opponent can easily pay the tax that protects your slivers. As for your other card suggestions:
Virulent Sliver - Having to attack your opponent with 10 individual instances of Poison is difficult, and ultimately kind of pointless. If you're going to hit your opponent 10 times, then they should be dead shortly before then. It's an interesting back up plan though, and I could see a reason for it's inclusion- but definitely not a primary wincon strategy.
Root Sliver - Depends HIGHLY upon your group's meta. If you have a EDH player who is just counter-happy, then Root is definitely a must include. I personally don't encounter too many counter heavy decks, so I'd prefer to rely on Cavern of Souls
Darkheart Sliver - Also was in this deck once, it's a decent creature, and a good response to a boardwipe. The primary use I found for it was an additional sac outlet for Dormant Sliver. I'd consider it's ability a bit too niche to be useful in more than one situation.
Frenetic Sliver - This one was also once apart of the hive. Uhm...it's kind of in the same slot as Darkheart Sliver in that it's primary use was a response to boardwipe events. However, it's ability can be useful when a sliver is going to die...and you have no options for regeneration. Basically when blocking or attacking with a sliver you'd use Frenetic's ability right before it enters the graveyard - you could potentially save the sliver and maintain board presence. Unfortunately it's ability is inherently inconsistent, but interesting nonetheless. I wouldn't include it however, given that there are so many options for regeneration.
Sorry that response got a little long, but yeah. A pleasure hearing from you both.
June 16, 2017 1:34 p.m.
Yeah I figured it might be a bit too niche, but I just thought I would point it out as well so it was on your radar.
I also heard of that return to Dominaria, it will be the next set after the later set Rivals of Ixalan (January 19) so that means its in April on the 27th. I was never around for the first time to this plane as I had only started at Theros, but i'm definitely excited at the hope of possible slivers again. By the time Dominaria is around my current standard deck will have rotated in it's entirety and so maybe I can finally have a chance at playing some slivers in standard too!
(Only started playing standard with BFZ so I missed the slivers in the core sets 2014-2015).
June 16, 2017 4:07 p.m.
im working on my own sliver deck, i really like slivers lots of fun. but i was wandering what Paradox Engine is used for. its really high on up edhrec as well.
July 11, 2017 3:34 p.m.
3InchMeatMonster, welcome to the hive. I'd be glad to answer your question. I just want to start off saying that Paradox Engine is incredibly good for Slivers because when combined with Gemhide Sliver/Manaweft Sliver + Heart Sliver you can effectively play your entire deck and end the game. Here's a play by play of a game ending scenario:
Turn 4 -
July 11, 2017 6:33 p.m.
oh shit thats a good combo. i will have to pick up a Paradox Engine then. thanks for the extremely informative answer
July 11, 2017 6:43 p.m.
August 1, 2017 5:20 p.m.
jplvette, welcome to the hive. Thank you for visiting the page. To answer your question, yes Intruder Alarm has been mentioned before. My conclusion regarding the card has not changed - It has far too much potential to backfire to be considered useful. Cards like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Stonybrook Schoolmaster, and Lullmage Mentor (just to name a few) are all lurking out there in EDH. Since the card can be taken advantage of by anyone at the table I could unknowingly enable someone else's wincon. Therefore, the card is just invalid in my eyes. But for more, (and less ) I can keep that potentially game ending effect all to myself - enter Paradox Engine.
tl:dr - Intruder Alarm can easily backfire and lose me the game automatically. It's not worth it.
August 2, 2017 8:49 a.m.
Ruffigan, I took your comments into account. Just wish you posted them on my deckpage. I changed the .navbar-fixed-top transparency (only made it slightly transparent) -enough so that the reader can easily differentiate between the comments section and the words themselves. I also took things one step further and lowered the brightness of all the words in the comment section, so that they'd be easier on the eyes. What do you think?
It feels like a bit of a shame that the deck has little room for growth. At least in my opinion. When it plays, it plays like a well oiled machine. All I do at this point is watch each new set for any cards that could help enhance or add to the deck. I'm hoping Ixalan or Commander 2017 will yield something worthwhile.
August 2, 2017 11:36 a.m.
So, I was scrolling through my comments, and forgot that I didn't actually answer you Troys50:
@LVL_666 I had heard this from my friends that this was not the case, that quad healing wasn't something possible with Essence Sliver. Guess you can't trust your friends, huh? Hail the Brood Queen! Bows
To answer your question: Your friends are 100% WRONG. If you refer the accordion up top, and go to: The Hivestone > The Strategy > Combos and Synergies and look at Syphon Sliver + Essence Sliver I explain everything at length. When they doubt you, just point them straight to that section, and it will silence them. With slivers, it is actually possible to get DECUPLE-life gain. Yes. That's right. If you have 4x Essence Slivers, 1x Syphon Sliver, and 1x Bonescythe Sliver in play then that's 4 separate triggered effects and 1 static effect going on two times in one strike. Say it with me now: DECUPLE-LIFE-GAIN. (that means times ten). Mind you it can only in a casual game. But it can happen. So tell your friends to stick that in their pipe and smoke it for ever doubting the queen's majesty.
August 2, 2017 12:33 p.m.
Slivers was always an archetype that interested me when I was thinking about getting into magic and the idea of making a sliver deck is what finally pushed me to buying my first cards. I always loved the swarm "theme" from various games (zerg in starcraft come to mind). When I started buying cards to make my sliver edh deck, your deck was my main influence for deckbuilding. I've been playing slivers for a couple months now and loving every second of the hate I get. Thanks for being such a valuable resource to me for deckbuilding.
I've been running living death in addition to yawgmoth's will and patriarch's bidding and it's been pretty effective. Have you considered adding that, or living end to your deck for more graveyard recursion? I find that when I lose it's because I got boardwiped, all my good slivers got countered or removed or I just didnt hit the mana I needed. The first two are answered by the mass recursion effects. The latter will eventually be fixed as I make my landbase better.
August 9, 2017 2:12 p.m.
Xcallion, i'm flattered that you would consider my deck a valuable resource for your own deckmaking - thank you for the compliment. I put alot of time, energy, and way more money than I should have assembling this beautiful monstrosity. Glad someone else is finding it worthwhile.
As for your suggestion, the idea of adding more graveyard recursion has been rattling around in my head for sometime. Living End and Living Death have crossed my radar briefly, and I considered swapping them in for Unnatural Selection. Unnatural Selection's use in this deck is very niche, but i'm hesitant to remove it because I can outright control a whole board using it and my commander. Nothing feels better than taking someone else's commander, and hitting them in the face with it.
I've actually been considering Volrath's Stronghold for a little while now, swapping it in for Mutavault. While it's not quite as dramatic as Living End/Living Death, it's something that can be done every turn, and is relatively protected due to the minimal land hate in my meta. I think it's differences compliment Yawgmoth's Will and Patriarch's Bidding quite nicely.
Mutavault is wonderful in that it's an extra Sliver in the deck - and A 2/2 for no less. My only issue however is that it's not as impactful as I would like. It's a manland that's only as good my boardstate - more slivers = better Mutavault. Also, opponents are usually quick to forget about it's ability. But despite all that, I think what Yawgmoth's Tomb brings is just far more worthwhile for the deck to perform consistenly. What are your thoughts? Do you have Mutavault in your deck? How has it performed for you? Have you been considering Yawgmoth's Tomb as well? Have I asked you enough questions? Ha. Thanks for commenting, the hive is pleased.
August 10, 2017 12:20 p.m.
Some interesting new cards coming for commander 2017.
August 10, 2017 3:53 p.m.
August 10, 2017 10:18 p.m.
Delta-117, I didn't realize the spoilers came out! Thanks for keeping me aware. So, after doing a brief perusal of Commander 2017's offerings a few cards piqued my interest:
Kindred Boon: an Enchantment that creates indestructable creatures...not bad.
Kindred Summons: That CMC is almost too high to make this card worthwhile for Slivers, but it's interesting nonetheless. Good synergy with cards like Mirri's Guile, but it's largely dependant on my boardstate. Maybe it could serve as a decent wincon?
Path of Ancestry: I don't exactly like the comes into play tapped part...but for a mana of any color then scry 1? Yes please.
Delta-117, are there any spoiled cards you think I've missed that are worthwhile?
August 11, 2017 12:42 p.m.
Teferi's Protection, huh? That is an interesting card indeed...but doesn't quite have the abuse potential i'm looking for. Considering how my deck would be able to use it...well...it's super limited. Yawgmoth's Will wont give me access to it, and I only have one option to tutor it. I don't think it's that great of a card unless i'm missing something Delta-117?
August 12, 2017 11:51 p.m.
(Sorry in advance for the probably bad english, it's not my main language and sometimes i struggle a bit when it comes to write in english. I hope you understand)
First of all i'd like to say that i love your deck and all the dedication and effort you put on it, as a fellow Sliver player like you i'm so impressed!
I used to play Slivers back in the day with my playgroup. We used to play really bad, with really bad decks, and some absurdly complex and nonsense multiplayer modes, but the deck always crushed my opponents mercilessly! Then it became hard to play a sliver deck in my group because of the Sliver Hate effect, constant complaints, salty comments... i became "that guy", i started feeling bad just for playing it and i ended putting it away. Years passed, playgroup changed, and recently i started having interest in playing EDH and TL. I started looking here on Tappedout some ideas and it was in that moment that the Hive Call echoed in my soul. I've build a similar budget version of this deck and started to strike fear in my enemies again, defending the pride of the Hive with determination! Yes, the Sliver Hate effect it's still here, but now i play what i like the way i like it, without being influenced by the other people.
What i wanted to say is just Thank you for sharing the amazing work you're doing for the Hive, it really changed my way to play MTG, and i cannot wait for your next update on this deck! Keep up the good work!
OT: Oh, i wanted to ask you one thing: i know this is a EDH build, but i wanted your opinion about the Tiny Leader format. If you would ever build a TL sliver deck, what colors you would choose? I know there isn't a proper Sliver Commander under 3cmc, and sometimes the builds i try to make feels so forced and inefficient, but i worked so hard these days to find a balance for a build that might work, and i wanted to ask you before i let go my idea. From what i saw, with Yasova Dragonclaw seems nice, even a build with Marath, Will of the Wild could have some uses, but the absence of black mana feels so heavy... i tried a a pseudo-reanimator build with Alesha, Who Smiles at Death, i tried once with Jenara, Asura of War but she's so out of place, she's good only for her colors... i dunno what to do, what do you think?
August 14, 2017 10:54 a.m.
M4RK0G91, thank you for the high words of praise. I'm grateful that you appreciate my deck, and the page that chronicles it's life. Your English by the way is excellent, I wouldn't have guessed it was a second language for you. I first met slivers way back in Legions - I was playing my 2nd deck ever: Mono blue Wizards. I played against my friend who assembled a rainbow sliver deck. I lost every single game I ever played against it, and after my 4th or 5th loss straight, I couldn't help but admire the synergy of slivers.
Fast forward roughly 10 years, and now i'm married and facing all sorts of adult responsibilities. I don't have kids yet, so I chose to get back into magic. My awesome wife bought me the custom hand made "Queen's Egg" as a complete surprise. She knew that I was talking to Liefkicker Studio about getting a custom made deckbox, as his work is simply amazing. She told the artist to lie to me, saying that he couldn't take commissions at the time. You could only imagine my surprise when I received a mysterious package a few months later. My wife is the best.
As for Sliver Hate...it's real. A lot of younger EDH players have absolutely no idea what Slivers are...or heard of them but never had a chance to face a sliver deck. But I can assure you by the end of the game they are definitely aware of the might of slivers...and typically are relieved the game was over lol. The players that do know what Slivers are generally groan the second I reveal my commander. If i'm in a multiplayer game with said previously mentioned player(s) they will try their best to convince everyone at the table that i'm the biggest threat...even with no slivers on the board lol.
This will be a multipart response, as I've yet to play Tiny Leaders. But i'll give you a full response after I do a little bit of learning on my part. Thank you again for the nice words, the Queen is most pleased.
P.S. - If you have one magic deck that you are really fond of, I highly suggest you look at Liefkicker's website website and inquire about buying a deckbox. I'm not going to lie...they are expensive, but worth every single dollar. Recently, he made a variant on the Queen's Egg themed after Sliver Overlord that was for sale on ebay. His work is beautiful, and of the highest quality. His site is definitely worth checking out.
August 15, 2017 10:11 p.m.
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