Description

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Do you like Tribal Creatures? Do you enjoy crushing your opponents with an army of indestructible, +1,000,000/+1,000,003, flash, flying, haste, vigilant, shroud, regenerating, first strike, double strike + "double lifelink"? (Yes, that means "QUADRUPLE LIFELINK" - refer to combos and synergies) Or would you prefer having an infinite number of 1/1 creatures that easily overrun your opponents? Do you enjoy intimidating your opponents the second you reveal your General? If yes to any of these, then Sliver Overlord is the perfect choice for you. With its ability to tutor for any other creature in your deck, you have a complete toolkit for any situation at your disposal. With a little help from the hive Sliver Overlord can steal the opponent's most prized creatures, adding their might to your own. Using his tutor ability to beseech her Highness, the Sliver Queen, you can become nigh unstoppable by invoking an infinite creature combo crushing your opponents' hopes and dreams with creatures that have more abilities than the card would have room for.

Overview

Reading this decklist

Deck colors

Deck strengths

Deck weaknesses



The Strategy

General strategy

Early game

Mid game

Late game

Mulligans

Combos and Synergies



Card Choices Explained

Lands

Creatures



Other Information

Building this deck

Event record

Change log

  • Pimp out the broodlings: Acquiring foils of all the broodlings who are currently in the deck. Most of them are not very expensive save Harmonic Sliver.
  • Continue enhancing this page: This deck is a work in progress just like this page. I've just picked up the notes on how to change your page background, but i'm still working on the accordions. Special thanks to multimedia for writing me a script that gives me a custom accordion for my description that doesn't get applied (or reapplied?)to user comments. You're the best, thank you! For additional advice on how to make a custom accordion of your own, refer to the following forums post: CSS Scoping Additionally, I added a song to the page as well (it's the audio controls right under this accordion picture). I felt a little bit of would music to help give a nice theme to the deck page. In case you didn't know, the song is Mantis' Hymn from the Metal Gear Solid soundtrack. If anyone wants any pointers on how to add music to their page, you can reference here: HTML Volume help and HTML Audio tag. Here is just a rule of thumb though, and please feel free to repeat after me: Never EVER autoplay. It is obnoxious and wrong.
  • Continue Upgrading: I replaced Wild Pair with Mana Crypt because more mana rocks are better and due to it's recent re-printings it's now more affordable than it's ever been. I wish Prismatic Geoscope was a better card, but there are just better options out there. I once considered Mirari's Wake to take the place of Wild Pair, but i'd sooner add another high-end mana rock or another reanimation option before I'd add that.
  • 100 Upvotes!: Thanks for all the votes! I hope you enjoyed all you read. Did you catch any of the little Easter (Sliver) Eggs I hid throughout the primer? They're all just silly little youtube videos for your amusement - 5 in total.


The (Actual) Queen's Egg

My amazing fiancee got me this custom made one of a kind deck box. Themed after the Sliver Queen (my all time favorite MTG Card), it's made out of a cast resin, with magnets to hold it all together. The box holds a commander deck double sleeved no problem, and was hand made by the one and only Liefkicker. His website is here: Liefkicker Studio. Note: These boxes are expensive but you get what you pay for. Liefkicker deckboxes are custom art pieces of the highest quality that hold your most prized of decks. Slivers will always be special to me, not to mention I made (or will make) sacrifices to get each card for my deck. The first time I revealed my box, the whole table just stopped and stared at it with wonder. "That looks evil", was the first compliment I ever got. People's eyes practically never left my end of the table (mostly because I was playing slivers...but the box is simply gorgeous). Again, i'm completely happy with this deck box, and I will cherish it for the rest of my life. If you want to know more, or want to see a more comprehensive review about Liefkicker's products, I suggest you look at the TolarianCommunityCollege's review: A Review of The Hedron Box for Magic: The Gathering Also, Shout Out to the Professor!

The coding for this primer was developed by Epochalyptik here.

Updates

After looking at the spoilers list for Amonkhet I can honestly say that there are aren't any new cards I would incorporate into this deck. What kinds of cards am I looking for? Cards that enable combos. Aether Revolt brought me Paradox Engine - a better Intruder Alarm in my opinion. I've yet to see anything as useful in Amonkhet thus far. Besides looking for combo enablers, I'm simply biding my time until more Slivers are released...hopefully we will return to Dominara after this cycle.

But as for actual inclusions, I'm flirting with the idea of acquiring maybe one or two of the new invocations in Amonkhet. The art style of the invocations are a bit gaudy for my taste so i'll have to see how the cards look in person. So far i'd like to see:

  • Invocation - Vindicate - This doesn't look half bad, but i'm not sure if I want to trade in my sweet Apocalypse Vindicate though. But it isn't foil...

  • Invocation - Counterspell - i've always been a fan of Counterspell, and surely wouldn't mind getting my hands on this for the right price.

  • Invocation - Force of Will - I used to run this spell, but then I traded it up for a Mana Drain. I don't know if I would include this in the deck though, what should I swap out if I were to include FoW again?

  • Invocation - Pact of Negation - of all the previously mentioned, I'd be most willing to go after an invocation instance of this card because I only have a Modern Masters 2016 instance of the spell...and it's not shiny. I'll likely just trade up for it.

Oh, and thanks to Delta-117 for bringing the invocations to my attention.

Comments View Archive

LVL_666 says... #1

Delta-117 your input piques the hive's interest...as Paradox Engine is a far more acceptable Intruder Alarm. My biggest fear with Intruder Alarm was the fact that it's abilities are afforded to other players as well as myself. So if an opponent were to play Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker then I would instantly lose the game if I already played Intruder Alarm. The CMC of is a bit high, but fortunately it's all generic so I could potentially play this card on turn 2 with the right draws - Mana Crypt and Sol Ring come to mind. Besides the obvious uses with Gemhide/Manaweft Sliver, this card can also be used for combat tricks:

For example, with a Quick Sliver in hand (and during my attack phase) I choose to attack with all my creatures: Striking Sliver, Venom Sliver, and Sliver Hivelord. My opponent who has a Kozilek, Butcher of Truth on the battlefield chooses to let all the damage go through, thinking he will have a free swing during his attack phase. When he declares attackers (and I sacrifice my 4 permanents ;_;) I play Quick Sliver, all my creatures untap and I assign a blocker to Kozilek, killing it off instantly while I feverishly try and establish a wincon because I know Kozilek will be back.

With the potential synergy between Paradox Engine + Gemhide/Manaweft Sliver + Heart Sliver, I could potentially play every sliver in my deck if my general, Sliver Overlord was in play. Basically, this would be the same exact synergy with Intruder Alarm, except for an extra my opponents don't get to benefit.

I like this card, and I think i'll swap it in for Synapse Sliver because it has a similar cost, albeit a bit cheaper vs. has more potential for a game winning synergy/strategy. Synapse Sliver is an excellent sliver, but I think it's usefulness is a bit limited compared to Paradox Engine.

What are your thoughts? Is my assessment accurate?

December 29, 2016 9:17 a.m.

Delta-117 says... #2

I agree on all of what you have said, I personally like Synapse Sliver but it does afterall read "whenever a sliver" rather than "Whenever a Sliver you control." Now I don't know whether you actually face much other sliver decks or not, but either way I feel compared to Paradox Engine it's useful but it's quite unlikely that it is going to be winning you games, Paradox Engine on the other hand for a generic 5cmc certainly has a lot more potential. So yes I would swap it.

Paradox engine just remember will be 1/2 of the 24 total masterpieces as a regular card within Aether Revolt too if your looking for a cheaper version.

December 29, 2016 11:58 a.m.

LVL_666 says... #3

Delta-117 Thanks again for suggesting Paradox Engine. I've read some initial impressions about the card from various forums and apparently there is a lot of hype surrounding the it. Honestly, I think that it probably won't be as great as everyone thinks it will be - but that's just my opinion. I've play-tested the card in my deck, and it's not all that great on it's own. But when paired with the likes of Mana Echoes, Gemhide Sliver, or a Sol Ring it can provide a decent amount of ramp. Additionally, it does allow for combat tricks under very specific circumstances. But that's it. Am I missing something that makes this card seem so great? At least within the context of my own deck I can see it being useful from time to time, but without mana dorks or mana rocks to play Paradox Engine just seems kind of decent at best.

I do however want to experiment with it. I feel like it'll surprise me at some point. Or maybe that's just me buying into some of the hype surrounding the card.

December 30, 2016 11:55 a.m.

Pozo2212 says... #4

Don't forget that with Quick Sliver you can cast Sliver at instant speed. So you can renew your mana base, obviously produced by mana slivers and mana ramp artifacts, on opponents turn. Probably adding this I'll check more posibles combinations that requires untap my hive.

December 30, 2016 8:07 p.m.

Dake says... #5

I like this iteration a lot. I have been playing slivers for a while and have been looking for what an ideal manabase should look like along side mana rocks so I can see what the flex lands should be. I have found almost all the Muscle Sliver effects to be extremely low impact in multiplayer games and have started playing only the Might Sliver and Sliver Legion as anthem effects. In their place I have generically placed slivers I consider more flexible such as Root Sliver, Frenetic Sliver, Acidic Sliver, etc. It does raise the CMC of the deck a bit but I find the effects are generally worth it as they protect from this sliver hate you speak of. Root Sliver is quite effective at protecting the combo from counterspells whereas Acidic Sliver allows you to win on the stack without using combat which has actually mattered more than once. What are your thoughts on this sort of approach? I think it makes the deck more board wipe resilient and streamlines the combo process a little better. Is there something I am missing about the low mana anthem slivers that make them higher impact in pod games?

January 3, 2017 3:48 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #6

What do you think of Metallic Mimic? Do you think it's impactful enough or not to deserve a place?

http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/metallic-mimic/

January 3, 2017 5:48 p.m.

This build has a much greater presence of countermagic than I would normally see in a sliver deck, which is a super interesting deckbuilding choice.

The lack of basics in the manabase also makes me worried. I've seen too many decks crumple to blood moon, price of progress, and back to basics.

January 3, 2017 7:06 p.m.

Pozo2212 says... #8

Delta-117 i don't think so, cause u cant tutor him and the ability isn't good enough. except that you use a counter +1/+1 version on your slivers deck.

this guy goes well with Panharmonicon+ anything that interact with +1/+1 like Animation Module.

PD: plz check my deck. any suggestion will be recibe!
Sliver's Time!

January 3, 2017 7:11 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #9

Ah right can't tutor for it, I forgot about that part. Well that's too bad.

January 3, 2017 7:53 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #13

Delta-117, thank you for the suggestion. The hive is pleased. Metallic Mimic is interesting, as it has a a faux anthem effect, however I agree with Pozo2212's assessment. While it's nice to have a steady stream of +1/+1 counters, the card doesn't have much synergy with slivers (at least within this deck). Metallic Mimic would likely be more better suited in a deck running Panharmonicon. I'll definitely take a look at your deck as well.

January 4, 2017 6:48 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #14

Wilhelm_Screamer, thanks for the compliment. The Queen is most pleased. I decided to go with more countermagic than anything else because 1. I love counterspells, and 2. Sliver Overlord is the control oriented legendary sliver, therefore the deck should have more control oriented spells. The lack of basics was definitely done on purpose, as they're inferior compared to every other land choice in the deck. Honestly, i've never actually gone up against a deck running Blood Moon, Back to Basics, or Price of Progress. They are all definitely worrysome cards, but I do have some potential answers. If Blood Moon or Back to Basics are played, then I do have some answers with Coalition Relic, Darksteel Ingot, and Chromatic Lantern. If i'm lucky, I could also have Necrotic Sliver, Gemhide Sliver, or Manaweft Sliver on the battlefield before Blood Moon/Back to Basics hits the battlefield.

Price of Progress is a bit trickier, and the only real answer I would have for that is a counterspell. Honestly, I find it a bit shocking that Price's CMC is so low for such a potent spell. Worst case scenario I have no counterspells in hand and it's past turn 6 or 7.

I'm not too worried about the previously mentioned trio of cards, but they would make for some very interesting and difficult games i'm sure. Maybe when I actually form a sideboard for the deck (I believe you can have up to 10 cards) I will include all 5 basics. Thanks for your input.

January 4, 2017 9:13 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #15

Dake, in my opinion Frenetic Sliver's usefulness is overshadowed by Crypt Sliver and Sedge Sliver. Few boardwipes prevent regeneration, and outside of saving likely only a handful of slivers it doesn't have any additional abilities to make it more viable. Also, spending for a 2/2 with an inconsistent ability is not an effective use of your mana. In my opinion, Acidic Sliver only becomes useful after a certain amount of damage has been dealt to the opponent (If you have enough slivers and mana, you could potentially sac all and go for the kill) or if a mass removal event occurs. Root Sliver was in the deck at one point, but I hardly ever went up against a deck that warranted it's use.

January 4, 2017 10:56 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #16

Dake, thank you for your words of praise. The Queen is pleased. So why do I choose to utilize the lower CMC, smaller anthem slivers over the higher CMC larger anthem slivers? One word - efficiency. Might Sliver on it's own is a so-so at best creature. Paying for a 4/4 creature isn't worth it. The +2/+2 anthem effect also doesn't really justify the cost when you take Sinew or Muscle Sliver into consideration. Each costs (more or less) for a 2/2, and +1/+1 anthem effect. Rule of thumb in regards to anthem slivers - for every spent, you should get 2 power, 2 toughness, and one +1/+1 anthem effect (or other ability). Might Sliver is simply inefficient, and wastes mana. Megantic Sliver would be an example of a large creature that is efficient, but is irrelevant due to Sliver Legion.

In multiplayer matches, Sinew would definitely be low impact on it's own, but slivers do not fight in a vacuum and always show up in groups. Looking at things from a strictly CMC perspective, you could pay for Might Sliver to deal 4 damage per turn, or pay for Sinew and Sedge Sliver to deal 7 damage per turn. Roughly the same cost (with the right manabase, getting the right colors is irrelevant), but with more efficiency.

tldr - Lower CMC anthem slivers tend to give you more bang for your buck.

January 5, 2017 12:01 p.m.

How much does it cost without foil cards?

January 6, 2017 10:28 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #18

Chickens_are_awesome, to be honest the deck would cost roughly the same price if it didn't run any foils. I'd say it'd be closer to the $1,600-$2,000 range based on my own purchases from ebay and private collectors. The majority of the cost for this deck lies in it's manabase (which obviously isn't foil). Unfortunately, running competitive slivers is very expensive.

January 7, 2017 1:27 a.m.

Ok

January 7, 2017 5:26 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #20

Chickens_are_awesome, also, if you check out my "Building this deck" Glyph under the Hivestone section in the accordion, you'll be able to see how much I paid for each land in case you had any questions about specific lands.

January 7, 2017 7:59 p.m.

TheEDHLegacy says... #21

Why Dorment Sliver from what i can tell you don't have a lot of sac outlits to get rid of him

January 7, 2017 10:46 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #22

TheEDHLegacy, Dormant Sliver is incredibly powerful, and can easily get out of hand due to how quickly Slivers can populate a battlefield. As for sacrifice outlets, the deck has 3 Slivers that could remove Dormant from play - Basal Sliver, Hibernation Sliver, and Necrotic Sliver. If I was desperate to get rid of Dormant Sliver, and needed to attack that turn then I could use some of the deck's built in targeted removal - Vindicate or Anguished Unmaking. In total, that gives me 5 options of removing Dormant if need be (3 of which are tutor-able).

January 8, 2017 7:40 a.m.

TheEDHLegacy says... #23

Wow, never actually thought of it that way, ill put him in for sure now, I really want to go all out for my sliver edh deck considering how annoyingly awesome and hated they are.

January 9, 2017 7:28 p.m.

EKEZ950 says... #24

Just was thinking a Lotus Petal could work in this deck, sliver love <3

January 12, 2017 12:35 a.m.

Metallic Mimic get it while it's cheap

January 15, 2017 10:37 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #26

Its_Johnny_Bravo, all I can think of is...

Man, i'm pretty!

However, Metallic Mimic has been suggested before and after careful consideration it just serves as a "Poor Sliver's Muscle Sliver". Let me explain - the "other creatures get an additional +1/+1" ability is just too slow, and only good early game. Sure, it's great that it boosts base power and toughness, but the problem is that it doesn't help slivers already out on the field. Additionally, it's not really tutorable outside of Enlightened Tutor, which would be better put to use for fetching a Mana Crypt or Scroll Rack. Honestly, I think Metallic Mimic would be better off in a Breya, Etherium Shaper style deck. Thanks for the suggestion, though. I think I will actually get the card anyway but not for slivers.

January 16, 2017 3:16 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #27

EKEZ950 Thank you for the suggestion, the hive is pleased. Lotus Petal is a great little card, giving you that much needed mana to get your combo off maybe 1 turn faster. The problem with it however is that it's not re-usable. In the EDH format, I think cards like Lotus Petal don't really fit. I think other mana rocks like Mana Crypt or Sol Ring would be better choices. Thank you for the suggestion, though.

January 16, 2017 3:21 p.m.

EKEZ950 says... #28

LVL_666 oh ya derp forgot EDH format used to playing legacy lol, I love Sol Ring but unfortunately it's not legacy legal, I cri, I should start playing EDH lol :)

January 27, 2017 5:53 a.m.

thegigibeast says... #29

Have you tested Paradox Engine in this deck yet? It can be amazing with Manaweft Sliver and Gemhide Sliver, and with your commander you straight up get all the slivers from your deck on the battlefield... getting your combos on and going for the win

February 16, 2017 5:43 p.m.

DVLuca says... #30

I dont know (but I think yes) if never tried Hunter Sliver with Venom Sliver, it would be realy good at eliminate treating creatures your opponent may have or simply to clean the board. Realy good build +1 for me!!

February 18, 2017 10:12 a.m.

LVL_666 says... #31

thegigibeast: Paradox engine definitely piqued my interest, and after a bit of brief experimentation I came to the conclusion that if I were to include it, it'd replace Synapse Sliver. This is my thought process:

Pro: Is tutorable via Commander

Pro: It's effect stacks, and applies to all other slivers in play.

Con: requires mana

Con: is a 3/3 for

Con: requires combat damage to be dealt for effect ability to trigger

Pro: has great synergy with Gemhide/Manaweft Sliver and all Mana rocks.

Pro: costs only

Con: Is only tutorable via Enlightened Tutor or Vampiric Tutor (within this deck, anyway).

Con: has limited viability when Gemhide/Manaweft Sliver is not in play.

Honestly, i'm still mulling things over because both cards are great but I can't think of what card to swap Paradox Engine in for. What do you think thegigibeast? Which card wins out between the two?

February 20, 2017 4:47 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #32

DVLuca, the problem with Hunter Sliver + Venom Sliver - cool combo where can target a single enemy creature and deathtouch it goodnight, but the problem is that the sliver engaging the provoke will likely die in the process. That's why I'd prefer Striking Sliver over Hunter. Thanks for the suggestion though!

February 20, 2017 4:52 p.m.

Vegnus says... #33

Sinew sliver should be change to predatory sliver?

If you run with predatory and bonesplitter sliver.I'll suggest about triumph the horde and bring to light package. With galerider sliver and some more slivers will take down one opponent without sliver overlord.

My version a bit different. I run cryptorith rite,green sun's zenith, for finding gemhide or manasweft asap.

Other package are elrich evolution,chord of calling,bring to light combine with seedborn muse. With counter for backup plan you'll have a great moment with quick sliver.

When i encounter with blue or muticolor with blue.Phyrexian metamorph very dangerous for me. Steely resolve and crystalline are the first plan to protect overlord. I'm not run gain control package because when crystalline in play this combo cant be use anymore. Constringting sliver can survive with elesh norn easier more than gain control it. With crystalline sliver or steely resolve and couter backup. Dont worry about return creature exile with it.

I will edit card in full name later. My mobile cant do that

Thank you

February 24, 2017 9:44 p.m.

Vegnus says... #34

My Apologise. I cant edit my last post

Additional with Imperial Recruiter,Eladamri's Call,Demonic Tutor for Manaswept/Gemhide sliver or Seedborn Muse

Now Considering for Bloom Tender.

Can i ask about Scroll Rack and Mirri's Guile. Is it OK?

February 25, 2017 6:29 a.m.

LVL_666 says... #35

Greetings Vegnus, thank you for your input. The hive is pleased. You wrote quite a bit, so i'll address your suggestions and thoughts in small bullets. Additionally, consult the formatting tips and comment tutorials when posting future comments.

  • "Sinew sliver should be change to predatory sliver?": I prefer Sinew Sliver over Predatory because it keeps me from being too reliant on . The deck is 5 color, and designed to not be too reliant on any one color. If I start to lean on too much, then that'll require me to have to modify my manabase.

  • "I'll suggest about triumph the horde and bring to light package": Triumph of the Hordes is an okay sorcery at best. Additionally, I have no means of Proliferating so there's hardly a point in including it. Bring to Light is an interesting tutor, one I haven't considered. If I were to include it, i'd have to have access to 5 different types of mana when casting it to take full advantage. While i'd more likely than not will have access to 5 different types of mana...it doesn't seem like it'd work as consistently as i'd like. I'll keep it in mind though.

  • "My version a bit different. I run cryptorith rite,green sun's zenith, for finding gemhide or manasweft asap."": Refer to my comments about why I included Sinew Sliver over Predatory Sliver. I don't want to lean too much on . Simple as that.

  • "Other package are elrich evolution,chord of calling,bring to light combine with seedborn muse. With counter for backup plan you'll have a great moment with quick sliver.": Why would I bother with Eldritch Evolution when I have Vampiric Tutor/Sliver Overlord? Additionally, I have a ton of top deck manipulation in the form of Sylvan Library and other cards like it. While I may not have a ton of tutors, they're not really all that needed. I am considering Demonic Tutor over Enlightened Tutor. As for Seedborn Muse...it's not a Sliver. It doesn't belong.

February 25, 2017 5:22 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #36

Yes this modern masters is looking amazing for value. I definitely want some of those fetchlands.

March 2, 2017 11:12 a.m.

Delta-117 says... #37

There's 3 of your cards here now as invocations on the way in Amonkhet. Pact of Negation, Counterspell, and Vindicate. I think they look nice but the font is a bit much.

March 31, 2017 8:23 a.m.

Troys50 says... #38

You can't heal quad with Essense sliver. At the time of printing Essense Sliver, Lifelink wasn't a thing, so dispite having Essense sliver and Siphon Sliver out, you would not be healing for quad. Double strike, on the other hand, does give you double.

April 8, 2017 11:52 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #39

Thank you for the comment, Troys50. This is definitely another one of those much needed sanity check moments. However, I think you're wrong. I'll explain in a few points.

  • "At the time of printing Essense Sliver, Lifelink wasn't a thing" - if this is the case, then why didn't wizards change the wording when they reprinted the card at a much later date ala Timespiral - Essence Sliver. Wizards had the opportunity to errata the card...but didn't. By timespiral lifelink definitely existed.

  • Then I looked up previous rulings and found this: "The Oracle text has the answer: Essence Sliver does neither have nor grant lifelink. It has a triggered ability that's cumulative." - CarstenHaese, Level 2 Magic Judge - Source

So while I appreciate you giving me a sanity check, I think it would be best if you actually gave a source or two when discussing rulings on cards. Tell me your thoughts on this - Did I miss a ruling Wizards gave that erratas Essence Sliver's ability? What made you think that Essence Sliver was modified/changed/corrected?

April 9, 2017 10:02 a.m.

My god... I wish I can foil out my tribal Dragons lol. And I have always wanted to play with slivers at one point. but I will never be able to afford this XD.

April 10, 2017 5:11 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #41

Oh there's way to afford this, you just make some necessary cuts to the manabase as a start. Using weaker lands like Rupture Spire, Opulent Palace, Transguild Promenade, Esper Panorama and the others, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse. It slows the deck down considerably but it would still be playable.

Theres others like Exotic Orchard, Forbidden Orchard, Ancient Ziggurat, that can be swapped in too.

April 10, 2017 5:29 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #42

CinnaToastKrunch, this deck was years in the making I kid you not. I fell in love with Slivers from the moment I met them back in Legions. A friend made a standard deck and quickly wiped the floor with me and my Wizard tribal deck (it was a garbage deck, btw). You can build this as well, you just need to carefully spend and plan is all. Delta-117 had the right idea to get the cost down, most of the monies poured into this deck are from the revised dual lands (the cheapest instance of the "original" dual lands, btw). The deck would be around $500-ish dollars if you removed the duals, and some of the high priced counterspells (Mana Drain specifically), artifacts (Mana Crypt) and Fetchlands.

April 10, 2017 8:19 p.m.

Ah alright haha, thank you so much! I still have a litte work to do with my tribal dragons but It's actually pretty fast as it is! Thanm you both Delta-117 and LVL_666

April 11, 2017 10:09 a.m.

LVL_666 says... #44

Actually, CinnaToastKrunch I think if you want to pursue a Mana Crypt (which is a must have for any EDH deck) now would be the time to do it since there are so many fresh instances of the card roaming around. I think you could get a MP copy for around $50 to $40. Your dragons will be much faster with a Mana Crypt in their coffers.

April 11, 2017 12:23 p.m.

Well that's a bit unfortunate with the fact i sold one when EMA came out lol. But I feel you are right and I will try and trade for one or something! Thank you!

April 11, 2017 12:47 p.m.

Troys50 says... #46

@LVL_666 I had heard this from my friends that this was not the case, that quad healing wasn't something possible with Essence Sliver. Guess you can't trust your friends, huh? Hail the Brood Queen! Bows

April 15, 2017 6:29 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #47

Troys50, you don't need friends when you have slivers LOL.

April 15, 2017 6:58 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #48

Commander 2017 has been announced for August.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/announcing-commander-2017-edition-2017-04-18

In summary there will only be 4 decks rather than 5 this time around, but they will be different than usual. These will be based on "some of Magic's most popular, and interesting, tribes!"

Do you think there is any slight chance of stuff for sliver cards? Or is it more likely going to be elves, zombies, goblins, and merfolk?

April 18, 2017 11:30 a.m.

marcus1679 says... #49

First of all, I must give my love to the hive. These are my favorite critters in all of Magic.

More importantly, though, I have seen this in many other Sliver decks and feel the need to bring it to your attention as well. It concerns the Crystalline Sliver. Since it gives Slivers shroud, it hurts the use of certain other Slivers, as well as the Amoeboid Changeling + Sliver Overlord combo (can't swipe opponents' critters with the Crystalline in play).

I mention this because I ran into similar problems with my Sliver EDH deck. The Crystalline Sliver hampered the use of certain abilities unless I had ways of returning it to hand before using said abilities. Obviously, though, this made the Slivers vulnerable to opponents' spells/abilities while I was trying to do other things.

April 18, 2017 5:30 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #50

marcus1679 thanks for your input and upvote, the hive is most pleased. I share your concerns about Crystalline Sliver, that's why I kept the number of Slivers with targeting based abilities down to a minimum - there's only Crypt Sliver and Amoeboid Changeling in the deck. Ideally, i'd like to have Magma Sliver in the deck, but due to the high likelihood of Crystalline Sliver being in play I decided against it.

The combo between Amoeboid Changeling and Sliver Overlord is amazing, but it's not essential to me getting a wincon...so it's worthwhile to keep. Crypt Sliver is just good to have in case I don't have Crystalline out on the field. One of the best synergies in the deck however, is Crystalline Sliver and Sliver Hivelord - Indestructible AND shroud? yes please. If only there were a well crafted sliver that also had/shared the ability of hexproof. One can only dream...

April 18, 2017 5:52 p.m.

marcus1679 says... #51

LVL_666, I agree with the hexproof ability. It's something I have been dreaming about for a while as well.

As far as the Crypt Sliver is concerned, consider replacing it with the Clot Sliver. You would still have regeneration, but without the need to target. And with Mana Echoes and Training Grounds, the mana cost for the Clot's ability is negligible.

April 18, 2017 6:03 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #52

Yeah I think that would be neat, I had thought of a sliver with hexproof like that too. I even thought up a name for it at one point, and I thought it could be called Apex Sliver or something like that, and it would be another 5 colour sliver potentially.

LVL_666 I don't think you noticed my earlier comment but I mentioned anyways the announcement of commander 2017, and there will be 4 rather than five. However they will be focused on tribes this time around. There accordingly is going to be a total of 56 new cards across the 4 four decks.

Wouldn't it be amazing to get something for slivers, potentially even some new ones? I do hope this happens. Do you think Wizards statement of "some of Magic's most popular, and interesting, tribes!" might mean this?

Also I thought I would mention the existence of the new land card Cascading Cataracts which you might find interesting despite the fact by turn 4-5 you will ideally have all your colors anyways, I think despite that it might still be useful here potentially.

April 18, 2017 6:30 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #53

Delta-117, you're awesome with always bringing me the latest and greatest. Thank you, the hive should consider you it's herald lol. But the very interesting announcement you sent has my hive mind teeming with excitement... but as for your question...a hopeful maybe- i'll say 65% yes. Why? Because Slivers are incredibly popular, but have been limited to a sometimes only affair- Wizards introduces new broodlings every few years or so, rarely producing new slivers in large groups. The last time a large group was made was back in Time Spiral when they introduced 26 new slivers at once - source. Ever since then they've introduced them in smaller numbers. If they do make slivers one of the four choices in Commander 2017, then they might make a few new slivers unique to the set due to the following statement in the article you linked before:

"The set features four new tribal-themed, 100-card decks including 56 all-new Magic cards legal in Vintage and Legacy."

I'm truly hopeful for that, but take it worth a grain of salt. Additionally, if The Professor of TolarianCommunityCollege was accurate in his prediction of the set after Amonkhet (I can't remember which video...but he said it!) will be set back on the plane of Dominara, which is the new home of the Slivers due to Rath being destroyed. If we don't see slivers in Commander 2017, then Wizards may reintroduce Slivers in a Time Spiral-esque fashion by introducing a large new set of broodlings. Obviously i'd like to see Slivers in both sets. Sliver Legion is LONG past due for a new printing in my opinion.

Sorry for ranting, hope you enjoyed reading.

April 18, 2017 9:09 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #54

I do hope The Professor's prediction comes true, I never was playing magic at the time of Dominara even though I do know a lot of the lore now.

I never got to play with slivers early on. I only discovered slivers about 3 years ago (Started magic at around Journey into Nyx and mainly played with a lot of theros stuff first) when I had a friend who happened to have some m14 slivers and I one day I traded for some such as a Galerider Sliver and 2 much older Russian Sidewinder Slivers who he originally got from someone else I think. I didn't even know at the time that there was more older ones but I found these interesting and wanted the ones he had.

Later on when where I lived actually got a game store that opened and had started to doing Fnms had I found out from two people the format of commander who both owned Sliver Overlord edh decks that there were more slivers. At this point I was practically already playing with a commander deck lol, as my casual magic deck was a deck featuring cards like Prophet of Kruphix, Heroes' Bane, Arcanis the Omnipotent, Horizon Chimera, and a bunch of other things. This became later my first commander deck with Vorel of the Hull Clade (Now it's an Atraxa, Praetors' Voice deck with Vorel still in it btw) and I started to also plan a Sliver Overlord deck.

One of the two I mentioned at my lgs even in time decided to sell his sliver overlord deck because he never got to play it enough, so I traded for some older slivers like Sinew Sliver, Brood Sliver, Fungus Sliver, and a couple others he had. He however wanted to keep Sliver Legion, Sliver Queen, Sliver Overlord and Sliver Hivelord.

I have my own Sliver Overlord, and Sliver Hivelord now but I still need to in time buy the others. Then I got to acquire some of the lands to finish my deck. I regret earlier trades that I have done however, use to have a Wooded Foothills, Windswept Heath,Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, Steam Vents and Temple Garden but I traded them all away thinking I wouldn't need them, and I sure was very wrong. It was rather silly of me still being new to the game sort of then.

Like I even opened at one point a Windswept Heath expedition not knowing it's entire value but I sleeved it still because they looked nice. I later discovered and sold it for store credit at a store and bought a bunch of cards with it like Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Omnath, Locus of Mana, Sheoldred, Whispering One, Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, I think you get the point. All these big splashy cards to go into my casual magic decks to use on my friends. Then I later when I started playing magic a bit more seriously it rather sucked to realize I had no use for them in standard or modern or wanted to use them for edh any longer. That store even had Sliver Legion and Sliver Queen but I didn't yet know about slivers :(

Going to now anyways buy them next once I first open a bunch of Amonkhet for standard stuff perhaps. Although it would be nice to see a reprint for the Sliver Legion. The next set after Amonkhet however though has turned out to be one called Ixalan I think it was spelled? This looks to be a mesoamerican inspired plane so there's no hope for slivers in September/January. More likely will get a few merfolk instead is my guess. However maybe the block after in the summer could be dominara? I would live to see slivers as first of all I would enjoy playing them in standard as I never got to do that earlier. Then anything for edh would be awesome. Currently have my Atraxa, Praetors' Voice, Sliver Overlord although the lands are fairly budget, and Athreos, God of Passage for my edh decks. I am trying to upgrade them all slowly over time as I'm as well upgrading my very costly modern infect deck (Need Noble Hierarch playset and 5 more green related fetchlands) and a little before that my b/g delirium deck for standard (rather absurd its more than my Atraxa deck in $ right now thanks to a playset of Grim Flayer, Liliana, the Last Hopes, Blooming Marsh, and what not making it like over $470 I believe, use to be a bit more value but it's falling). As you can see I'm trying to slowly upgrade rather a lot of things even though my standard I'm happy with for now, but I do hope to finish Slivers maybe by the fall is my guess?

Now if you thought you were ranting then that is nothing compared to all of this! This is much worse so I do apologize. (Longest TappedOut comment I have made I think in the little more than a year on here now lol).

April 18, 2017 11:11 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #55

Delta-117, I enjoyed reading your experience with the game. I started magic back in 2002 during the Onslaught block. I played off and on between high school, college and now as an adult with a professional job. I consider myself a "serious-casual" - I don't participate in drafts/game day/FNM/tournaments often, but I do frequent my lgs from time to time. Additionally, I have one really high end deck in my format of choice. I also have a few other decks for less serious play - casual EDH or casual. As the years go on, i'll just maintain and update this deck while picking up a few new cards here and there, or maybe a Commander deck that looks interesting.

As for the trading of cards that turn out to be more valuable down the road...hindsight is 20/20. I've traded away more Fetchlands than I could count...back in onslaught I remember getting annoyed because all I would seem to open were Polluted Deltas...I traded away a foil one. So yeah, I feel your pain. Every time I go to this page I always cringe a little bit looking at TCGPlayer's pricetag on this deck, I feel so silly spending so much money on just...cardboard. Best believe I didn't spend $3K...more like...$1,500-$1,700. I like to think of this deck as a reminder for me to keep my spending under control.

Sliver Queen, my favorite sliver unfortunately will never have a new printing due to her being on the reserved list. So when new slivers are printed demand for her will likely rise...so if you do plan on getting the legendary Slivers, i'd go for her first. But be weary, decks that have her have combos built around her, so you will have to make room for the other cards that compliment her directly i.e. Mana Echoes, Basal Sliver, and Training Grounds just to name a few. If you want to focus on strictly aggro, then she may not contribute as much. I'd say Sliver Legion would be your best choice. If we do see Sliver Queen in the future, then I think she'd have to be an all new planeswalker...which would be AMAZING. If she also had a built in tutor ability, then she'd obviously be the new general of this deck...but one can dream.

It's always a pleasure talking magic with you Delta-117, please keep me posted with whatever stuff you find. Additionally, i'm working on a page for Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder, but progress is slow because i'm lazy. But I promise you once it debuts, it'll be a really awesome deck page...and a good casual deck as well.

April 19, 2017 10 a.m.

Delta-117 says... #56

Well looks like something got leaked early, and so wizards made an official announcement of it anyways. It's called Iconic Masters.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/products/iconic-masters

You earlier mentioned you thought it was time for Sliver Legion to have a reprint and maybe that could very well come true with this. This following statement I think could support that.

"Iconic Masters offers players a tour through some of the most powerful cards in over 23 years of Magic history. Featuring new artwork on many cards, the set brings an array of massive Angels, Sphinxes, Demons, Dragons, and Hydras alongside some of our favorite and most memorable spells."

I hope to see some commander goodies from this.

April 20, 2017 12:02 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #57

I should soon before too long be getting my own copy of Sliver Queen and Sliver Legion (and some stuff for a modern deck) as part of a trade. That friend of mine I mentioned earlier has decided he is going to part with these slivers as he already sold off his sliver commander deck about a year ago as he never got to play it much and was just losing a bit of interest in the format previously. I'm going to be buying him 2 Chalice of the Void that he needed for modern, once I soon get my store credit for selling some cards mostly from standard and a couple from mm2017.

Once I have these I need to just focus on lands to upgrade my rather budget mana base.

April 26, 2017 9:21 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #58

Delta-117, iconic masters would be a great opportunity to see a reprint of Sliver Legion, but I think it may be too early to get our hopes up. If anything, I think it'd be a great opportunity to branch out and acquire some of the more popular "traditional" creatures in Magic. Personally, I want to build a Dragon themed commander deck and from what I recall Commander 2017 will feature one. Can't wait to pick it up.

Regarding your trade agreement for Sliver Queen and Sliver Legion with your friend, I would be weary of your arrangement. According to StarCityGames, the Mirrodin release for Chalice of the Void runs for about $70 - $80 (source) while Sliver Queen runs for about $40 (source) and Sliver Legion goes for about $37 - $40 (source). Since you're acquiring and trading two Chalices for the Slivers you'd be paying roughly $80 more than you should be. You should reassess your trade and ask for more in return.

April 27, 2017 12:33 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #59

Edit for the previous post: So I just re-read your comment, and saw that you were also getting some misc. popular modern cards in addition to the Slivers. Make sure they are worth at least $80!

April 27, 2017 12:38 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #60

Yeah I could have added on to that a bit, I'm getting 2x Wurmcoil Engines, a playset of Remands, a 1x Sundering Titan, and 1x Solemn Simulacrum with this as well. All of that is for a modern deck I'm building instead of infect which I'm postponing finishing for now to instead build something cheaper.

But we follow prices of the store Face to Face Games, not sure if you have heard of them however as they are a Canadian store. Wurmcoil Engines for example are about $19-20 CAD/ US $14. While the NM slivers go for about $50 CAD / $36-37 US, and i'm buying him the two chalices for $170 CAD / $125 US for those 10 cards in return.

I was using about $110 Cad/ $80 US store credit I had to pay towards this anyways from a bunch of standard stuff like a foil Chandra, Torch of Defiance, 3 Spirebluff Canals, a Craterhoof Behemoth, etc which was all stuff I was relatively not using so i'm not too sad too see them go to actually pay less of this myself.

Going between these prices all must seem a little confusing sorry about that, and while I didn't still didn't even list everything mentioned the trade is one I'm fine with as I was paying for a good chunk of it with store credit. But thank you for your concern anyways in suggesting the trade might not have been in my favour.

I was building Mono Blue Tron anyways if you have heard of the deck for modern, if your not aware it feature's Urza's Tower, Urza's Power Plant, and Urza's Mine along with Expedition Map to produce tons of mana quickly to play threats like Wurmcoil Engine and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. It features Treasure Mage which can find a variety of artifact cards like a 1x Platinum Angel, a Sundering Titan the 2x wurmcoils, and Mindslaver which you can use alongside Academy Ruins for some fun for you anyways. Then in the early turns you have Remand, Condescend, Spatial Contortion among other things to slow your opponent down and of course preventing them from killing you before you can play your threats.

I pretty much go to fnm each week for every format, I have a deck for standard, 2 decks for commander, this deck I'm working on for modern as well as my rather budget infect (The friend I mentioned after this trade is going to let me borrow the remainder of what I need for this Mono Blue tron deck at fnms until I either buy/trade for it or acquire my own pieces). Still need an Academy Ruins, a playset of the urza lands (have 1 tower though) and a Oblivion Stone.I as well have even a deck even for pauper ( Slivers featuring playsets of Muscle Sliver, Sinew Sliver, and Predatory Sliver and others bolstered by things like Rancor and Armadillo Cloak it's a lot of fun and is cheap :) ).

April 27, 2017 1:19 p.m.

Mythwind says... #61

I play with a similar deck (..."all hail the Hive!"...) and Blood Moon got me big time the last time.

Also there is another player that has an elf deck that is so much faster than slivers... and still I prefer the hive...

I look forward to new sliver cards, and definitively we should get the 1st 5-color planeswalker.

April 27, 2017 9:23 p.m.

As for deciding between Arcane Denial and Force of Will, it all comes down to your meta's power level and preference. I personally like Force better because it can be cast quicker, but without knowing the power level of your group I can't say if Denial would be better or not (I am not really sure if this is a tuned Slivers list because they all look the same to me... sorry about that).

If your playgroup is powerful, run Force. If not, keep Denial in.

One more suggestion I have is for one of my pet cards - Xenograft. It gives you a lot more flexibility in being able to run more utility creatures while still getting benefits from them.

April 27, 2017 9:28 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #63

Mythwind, I'm all too aware of cards like Blood Moon and Back to Basics. They are quite scary. I'm considering running a sideboard of 5 basics, one for each color. What lands should I swap out when placing them in? I'm inclined to replace the Shock Lands when necessary. Thoughts?

April 27, 2017 10:25 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #64

TheGrayMerchant, or should I say...Gary! Ha, I kid. So the power level of my play group is somewhat irrelevant. The idea behind this deck is to create an ideal, high end Sliver deck. I mean, i'm freaking running Mana Drain, so that already gives you an idea of the caliber of decks the Hive will be facing. I was just concerned over the inclusion of Force of Will due to the ratio of in the deck. Do you think I would have a card in hand when I need to cast the spell? What do you think are the odds of me having both Force of Will and a spell to compliment it?

April 27, 2017 10:32 p.m.

bushido_man96 says... #65

I think the main question as it pertains to including Force of Will is if you have enough in the deck to be able to use its alternate casting method. If you can't do this consistently, then pull it and go with another alternative that would be a cheaper cast, like Arcane Denial.

I like the looks of this deck, and it appears you've got quite the funds tied up into it, especially the mana base. Very nice.

April 27, 2017 11:11 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #66

bushido_man96, do I have enough in the deck to reliably cast Force of Will for it's alternative cost? Know what? I don't think so. Of the 100 cards in the deck, only 19 are blue including the Force of Will itself. I'll stick with Arcane Denial. Unless you can think of a better alternative?

Oh, and yes...I do have a ton of funds tied up into this deck. It's my one really good deck that I plan to maintain as Magic continues onward. It's the manifestation of my dedication to my favorite tribe, and in my opinion it is the definitive "ideal" Sliver EDH deck.

April 28, 2017 7:43 a.m.

From taking a quick glance at the deck again, I would say that you have enough to run force (on mobile so can't really go through every card). When using force in an EDH deck I try to have a minimum of 10 blue cards + force. Even if you don't have force, you look like you have enough ramp to cast it normally.

April 28, 2017 7:46 a.m.

LVL_666 says... #68

Well, TheGrayMerchant I have 19 blue cards in total (that's including the gold ones). I'm apprehensive to persue Force of Will due to 1. Cost (yes, I do realize this deck is quite expensive...but I don't want to spend any more money than I need to) and 2. Reliability: roughly 20 out of 100 cards are blue, that means I have roughly a 1 in 4 chance i'll have a blue card to accompany Force when I cast it for it's alternative cost. For $100, I'd want higher chances than that. Your thoughts?

April 28, 2017 7:59 a.m.

LVL_666 says... #69

TheGrayMerchant, bushido_man96, Mythwind I have a question for you three - should I swap out Arcane Denial for Cyclonic Rift?

April 28, 2017 2:58 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #70

I think you should, that card is such a staple for blue in commander. Arcane Denial even helps your opponent a bit after. That kind of card I would rather use in a deck like Nekusar, the Mindrazer to punish them for drawing those cards.

I just got a foil Cyclonic Rift recently in a trade and I have only got to use it once so far but I have to say it is pretty awesome using that overload cost and I definitely recommend that you give the card a try to see for yourself here.

April 28, 2017 3:50 p.m.

bushido_man96 says... #71

I kind of agree with Delta-117. It really just depends on how much countermagic you want vs removal. If you get to pull off Cyclonic Rift with the overload (and really, in commander, when shouldn't you?), with the hoard of slivers you run, that would be a game-ender for at least one opponent. I think you should go with the Rift.

April 28, 2017 6:02 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #72

Okay, another question - should I swap out Mutavault for Volrath's Stronghold?

April 29, 2017 8:06 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #73

Yeah I think it has more usefulness, the capability to bring back a multitude of useful cards beats out having a a creature I think. However maybe there could be room for both still, but I'm not too sure of what would have to be taken out to do that.

April 29, 2017 8:57 p.m.

Delta-117 says... #74

Since you brought up Volrath's Stronghold, that reminded me of the card Wheel of Sun and Moon which I suggest you consider using here if you can find room. If your slivers die they rather go to the bottom of your graveyard where they can be easily tutored for again by your commander.

I just happened to think of this card because you mentioned Volrath's Stronghold and all which is of course a way to recur things from the graveyard and this I think would be a good addition here either in place of that land or in addition to it.

April 29, 2017 11:40 p.m.

LVL_666 says... #75

Delta-117 Wheel of Sun and Moon is an interesting card but I have the option of using Pulmonic Sliver for that. Sure, WoSaM is cheaper cmc wise, it's not tutorable and kind of one dimensional serving as ONLY a form of graveyard recursion for creatures. All of the recursion in this deck is multipurpose - allowing me to return multiple creatures at once, or letting me play anything I want in my graveyard. Volrath's Stronghold is interesting because it's also a manasource, but i'm only considering it. I think i'll get it later on down the road. For now, i'm going to start working on the deck page for Moskstraumen my new Yidris deck. Check it out when you get a chance. It's still in it's rough stages though.

May 2, 2017 9:42 a.m.

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