Btw, something I remembered. You should get some Dragon Shield Art Sleeves for your Talrand deck, the ones with Draxis, they are perfect for the deck. Cheers :)
March 16, 2018 3:24 p.m.
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All good points. If I think of anything else for the deck, I'll let you know.
What exactly do you struggle with/against? Worst Match ups?
March 19, 2018 5:44 p.m.
Lastly, Boseiju, Who Shelters All seems REALLY interesting. I'm surprised I forgot about that card, I might need 2 add it to my mono black deck! That being said, it doesn't stop your creatures from getting countered, although you could always add a Cavern of Souls if that becomes an issue.
Nevertheless, it's a fun card I love using, just wanted to share that it's saved me more times than I can count (Ex: Target player takes an extra turn to stop Edric from infinite turns).
March 19, 2018 5:07 p.m.
If 1.4k deck is "budget," then I would love to see a non-budget deck. Deck is pretty good. +1 from me. A few suggestions...
Thespian's Stage to copy coffers or utility land
You say you like combos but I don't see any combos in the deck.Here are a couple....
Rings of Brighthearth + deserted temple + cabal coffers + lots of swamps/Urborg = Infinite black mana. Rings can be used to copy commander ability, planeswalkers etc....
That being said, you might want a Panharmonicon for all your ETB abilities.
You have Grave Titan and Nim Deathmantle already, add an Ashnod's Altar for the combo and to have a sac outlet to prevent exile and synergize with Grave pack effects.
Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed is a cool recursion card you might want to consider
Helm of Obedience to combo with leyline
You have an imperial seal but no Vampiric Tutor?
Every black deck should have some way to deal with counterspells. If you were playing a more control based strategy, I would suggest Mana Web (goes well with Urborg, barring dorks and rocks). As such, you should add Imp's Mischief, no one sees it coming and is very versatile. It would suck to pay 10 life to get rid of an indestructible eldrazi to Toxic Deluge only to have it countered.
Hero's Downfall > Go for the throat. Costs 1 more, but much greater effect.
March 19, 2018 12:37 p.m.
The only card I could see would be lotus petal. It's fast mana, but it's one time use. I'm not sure how useful it's been in your experience.
Even if you don't want to remove it, you might want to exchange it for the new mox in Dominariaa (mox amber?)
Your combo primer is well thought out. When/if you find the time, link the cards and make them into accordions/spoilers. I know the deck well enough but some people just find it more visually appealing and are more likely to comment if the information is presented in a more "digestible" fashion.
March 18, 2018 1:53 p.m.
I apologize for double posting as I just remembered another card you might find very useful. Imp's Mischief is my one of my FAVORITE cards. No one ever expects it. You want to counter my game winning spells (Ex: Hatred and Rite of consumption where the cost to cast is life and sac), cool, I'll just pay 2 life and redirect the target to Imp's Mischief. It's low on the curve and the life loss shouldn't be too bad.
March 18, 2018 12:40 p.m.
One potential card to add might be Mana Web. Although our decks differ, I find myself at the hands of blue quite often. I usually tutor for a card, then have them counter it, leaving me 2 turns wide open (loss of tempo).
I don't know if you experience that some issue. Mana web (with Urborg makes it even better) can limit your opponent to either casting spells on their turn, or saving their removal for yours (excluding mana rocks + dorks). I've added it and it's saved me more times than I can count, but my meta is all midrange, not fast combo.
Bro, you have like half the deck foiled, with masterpieces. That's what I'm trying to get the whole deck foiled + masterpieces/invocations/inventions. I've also made the deck egyptian themed with a couple alters of the 10 plagues and more (acquiring them as we speak).
I feel like every Xiahou Dun player I met makes Xiahou Dun their pride and joy/baby just like you said.
March 18, 2018 12:35 p.m.
Wow. This is the most solid Xiahou Dun Deck I have even seen. I see you decided to build yours in the competitive route. Nice! I built my deck The Descent Into Darkness as a 75% deck but your's is my ultimate dream (should I ever want to do competitive)
March 17, 2018 8:21 p.m.
Mana Web goes well with Urborg is nice good tech against blue players in particular (or any player who likes instant speed responses), as they have to decide between playing spells on their turn or saving instant speed responses for yours. Although mana dorks and rocks get around this, it might be something to playtest and see if it's relevant.
March 17, 2018 3:01 p.m.
Chromatic Lantern for mana fixing
Bloom Tender for ramp
I'm like half awake right now so it's kind of hard to suggest anything unless you have a specific direction. I get it, samuri tribal, but what do you want your win con to be?
March 17, 2018 1:39 a.m.
I'm surprised they won't allow you to add that card because of "messing with lands." What else are you supposed to do when the green player ramps to oblivion? I agree to disagree I suppose. YES! We are the blue players! :)
I think you should try to take out all non-essential creatures as talrand should be the source of your value and you also want to be able to hold counter magic (or bounce or draw or whatever) for the important spells that come along.
Let me know when you make your edits and I'll be happy to take another look! I always LOVE talrand players :)
March 15, 2018 1:34 p.m.
I read through it all, been through a somewhat similar situations. I am a mono blue player myself, I LOVE talrand, he's one of my favorite decks but my playgroup won't let me use him because of salt :) I see your deck is budget so I'll keep that in mind with my suggestions. That being said, I think you should add most of the following...
Impulse - Card selection
Memory Lapse - hard counter, messes their draw, and EVIL with another card you should add...
Isochron Scepter - Value with any counterspell or draw spell instant speed at CMC 2 or lower
Swan Song - Wide range of counters for 1 mana, you make a draw so their bird is negligent
Twincast - extremely versatile. I use it in my deck because I like to copy extra turns but you can find some good use as well
Gitaxian Probe - Look at opponent's hand for free, get a free drake and understand what to counter and what not to
Future Sight - AMAZING VALUE! 100% add. So what if they know you are drawing a counterspell, its talrand!
Kindred Discovery - Naming drakes, DRAW ALL THE CARDS!! - replaces ur sphinx that draws u cards when flying creatures attack
Overburden - Messes with creature heavy decks (doesn't interact with your tokens ETB). As such, you should take out creatures in your deck (regardless as to whether or not you add this card)
Disdainful Stroke - Another counter options
Turn Aside - Can replace ur 1 drop creature that does the same thing
If you want other non budget ideas, questions on what to remove or just some inspiration, check out my deck Tisk Tisk Talrand
March 15, 2018 12:07 a.m.
I heard about that as well. I'm just trying to "predict" certain card buyouts by getting a better understanding of buyouts, their causes and effects.
March 14, 2018 11:33 p.m.
I completely agree. Against storm you can add in the new 2 CMC artifact (dampening something) from Dominara and maybe some targeted discard like Mind Twist could help, although I don't have much experience against storm.
I find the deck is great against creature based strategies as you said.
I don't think Chainer is the best though, if anything, Sidisi, Undead Vizier might be better as a reuseable tutor in the command zone
March 14, 2018 11:32 p.m.
Thank you so much for your detailed response. I really appreciate it. I guess providing context and going back to the original example, what are your thoughts on Replenish? I'm not trying to buy out the card, but I think it's a decent target for a buyout.
It's on the reserved list and sees some play in commander decks. I also feel that with Dominaria coming up with the new saga enchantments, it might be more in demand.
There is only 1 printing of the card as well
March 14, 2018 6:12 p.m.
Hey guys, I wanted to get some more insight with regards to buyouts/spikes.
How can you differentiate whether or not a card has been bought out with the purpose of increasing it's price or if it just sees more play and therefore increases in price?
For example, let's assume someone bought out Replenish. It's a reserved list card so it won't be reprinted, therefore it's supply is low. If someone bought it out, it's price would increase (at least temporarily) but then would it settle down due to the lack of demand in the market?
2A. Would this be different if the card wasn't on the reserved list?
March 14, 2018 2:28 p.m.
I see. You have combos you run, but they aren't infinite, got you. Why not just run rings without the temple, that way (as far as I can tell) there will be no outlet to go infinite with, just extra value with chainer and others.
If you feel your enchantment removal is lacking, you could always add Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. He does hit your stuff, but many times it's worth it. Also see Nevinyrral's Disk. I know O-stone and Karn can be better (no coming into play tapped and targeted removal), but adding might not be a bad idea depending on your matchups.
March 14, 2018 2:20 p.m.
Rings can also be used to activate chainer twice without the 3 black and 2 life activation cost
Mastermind's Acquisition is strictly better than Diabolic Tutor
What do you feel is this deck's biggest weakness? +1 from me
March 14, 2018 2:53 a.m.
I don't have so much experience with cEDH but here is my 2 cents....
Journey to Eternity is low on the curve and easy to flip in the deck.
If your mana base allows it, maybe a Reliquary Tower so necro won't get lonely.
Lastly another maybe card could be Mana Web. I know you have carpet of flowers to help deal with blue, but Mana web + Urborg is useful at preventing instant speed interaction (barring mana dorks and artifact ramp).
March 14, 2018 12:34 a.m.
I didn't realize this was a budget deck. If that's the case...
Mastermind's Acquisition is strictly better than Diabolic Tutor as you can put things in your wishboard such as Oblivion Stone (another card to add to the deck). Oblivion stone is important because aside from Nev Disk, you have nothing else that gets rid of artifacts and enchantments. I personally love nev disk but sometimes the board needs to be gone immediately.
Since you're in black, you should run another tutor such as Beseech the Queen to improve consistency.
You also MIGHT want a mana doubler like Caged Sun to help pay for commander tax + his ability, if you can afford it down the road.
March 13, 2018 10:33 p.m.
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