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Tooth and Nail
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Tooth and Nail Discussion
3 days ago
So I've been attempting to build a General Tazri deck for a while now. I do not want ot build an FCT deck, mainly becuase it's been solved and for me a big part of building the deck is designing it and making it feel mine. and FCT barely has any flex spots, let alone full modification room.
So I've tried putting together a Tooth and Nail Tazri deck:
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which has given me more room to play. The problem is that every time I look at it, I want it to be more efficient. But the best way to do that is to make it an FCT deck, which I don't want to do.
So any thoughts form people would be good. It's getting to the point where I can't really build a Tazri deck anymore due to the internal conflict, which is a bitch since I've always wanted to build a Tazri deck...
4 days ago
I like the idea of using Tooth and Nail to cheat big things in which likely end the game, but in addition to those I think, as you have in your maybeboard, it would be more interesting if you also included Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Deceiver Exarch at least as one-ofs as an instant way to win.
Additionally, I would run a few more utility lands such as Sanctum of Ugin and most importantly Field of Ruin simply cutting a couple Forests. 4 All Is Dust also seems very high, this deck does considerably less than other tron lists seeing how there is no Karn but I still believe 3 would be better (perhaps making room for the Kiki combo).
The sideboard also appears to need serious work in my opinion and I would be more than happy to help with it if you can provide me with what your meta looks like, or alternatively an indication of whether you want a general sideboard that is good fro starting out that simply targets some commonly played decks and strategies.
6 days ago
Colorless EDH is paradoxically highly competitive. At least, in that space between actually competitive EDH and casual EDH, it's often a heavyweight due to the fact that colorless mana is relatively very easy to produce. Half a dozen playable sol lands, monoliths, vault, ring, crypt. There's a lot of utility and power in colorless as long as you can pay.
If you're trying to punch up on a budget I wouldn't go with Atraxa. She may be strong casually, but building effectively around her is expensive. Rolling 4 colors means your mana base is either going to give you a permanent two turn handicap or cost $2000, and themes she plays well to (Superfriends, Infect, etc.) are either expensive or better served with other commanders.
Forgive my candor, but as you asked for guidance I have to tell you that Stuffy Doll is not a good EDH card. You can stick to your guns and run it because you like it, goodness knows half the cards in my decks are there because they're dumb and I love them, but if you're struggling this needs attention. Stuffy Doll is a 5 drop that doesn't affect the board at all on its own, only targets a single opponent in a multiplayer format, and does virtually nothing on its own. For Stuffy Doll to be powerful you need multiple other effects (make it a threat and attack, force them to attack with something it can block, or force them to attack with Pariah on it) or play and burn it. All told it's 8 ways dependent on other things just to be ok, let alone strong, in a game where two turns later Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger is just going to sneeze it out of existence.
Muldrotha, the Gravetide is your diamond in the rough here. is probably the strongest combination of colors you could ask for in sub-competitive EDH, three colors is a lot more manageable than 4 on a budget (and with as one of three rather than one of four you can lean on ramp), and your commander is a recursion engine which is supremely valuable in EDH. If you wanna build her cheap:
- Go heavy on card-value (one card nets you more than one card) ramp cards (ex: Cultivate, Skyshroud Claim) and plan on playing a little top heavy. Big explosive cards tend to be cheaper dollar-wise than low CMC, efficient cards
- For your mana base favor green and ramp into the other colors. Stick to or duals, avoid (which is generally a more expensive combination anyway). Splurge and get the duals that have the subtype Forest so you can grab them with forest tutors
- Small creatures should be utility pieces you can get added value out of reanimating (ex: Reclamation Sage, Solemn Simulacrum), not "good" creatures unless they offer a major advantage (ex: Vampire Nighthawk will never amount to more than a body, Nether Traitor might fuel sac engines cheaply depending on how you build the deck)
- Roll big card advantage sweepers (ex: Decree of Pain, Bane of Progress)
- Have versatile removal; exile and bounce are stronger than destroy (ex: Cyclonic Rift, Curse of the Swine
- Have plenty of effects that can reload your hand (ex: Disciple of Bolas, Skullclamp)
- Recursion is as strong for your opponents as it is for you, so have a handful of cards to apply graveyard hate (ex: Bojuka Bog, Agent of Erebos)
- Have a couple threats that can legitimately end the game if not dealt with. We can't all afford to Tooth and Nail into Craterhoof Behemoth, but something like Worldspine Wurm or Dread Cacodemon won't break your bank.
Beyond that, just make sure that whenever you're slotting in a card it really does something for you, and if that something is dependent on something else that it's either a really dominant affect or a really common trigger (ex for both: Consecrated Sphinx). If all else fails steal your opponents more expensive things with clone effects and grave robbing (ex Phyrexian Metamorph, Geth, Lord of the Vault, Sepulchral Primordial).
Anyway, that's my take. Hope you find some of it useful!
1 week ago
Are any of the degenerate combos cat tribal specific. I'm trying to find some cat-centric combos for my Arahbo, Xenagos... for Cats EDH Deck but haven't found anything good yet.
All I've been able to come-up with so far, but are really janky are:
Temur Sabertooth + Karametra's Acolyte + Swiftfoot Boots + 4 Devotion | Infinite ETB + Aura Shards or Qasali Slingers Destroy All Artifacts and Enchantments or + 1 Devotion Infinite Mana. No clue what I would do with this mana even if I made it.
Cryptolith Rite + Leonin Battlemage + Oketra's Monument + Whitemane Lion | Infinite 1/1 Warrior Tokens. Who doesn't love 4-card combos that involve 2 cats to make 1/1 warriors that don't even have haste. On the plus side Oketra's Monument looks cat-ish.
Aluren + Fleetfoot Panther or Whitemane Lion | Infinite ETB + Aura Shards or Qasali Slingers Destroy All Artifacts and Enchantments or Healer of the Pride Infinite Life. Aluren terrifies me, none of the cats are ultimately good on their own either.
Changeling Hero + Changeling Titan | Infinite ETB + Aura Shards or Qasali Slingers Destroy All Artifacts and Enchantments or Healer of the Pride Infinite Life. They may not look like cats but they are... I guess.
Leonin Relic-Warder + Oblivion Ring or Journey to Nowhere + Sun Titan or Karmic Guide or Reveillark + Greater Good | Infinite ETB + Aura Shards or Qasali Slingers Destroy All Artifacts and Enchantments or Healer of the Pride Infinite Life. Soon as you say Sun Titan or Karmic Guide or Reveillark which is Saffi Eriksdotter so why would I waste time with Cats.
If you have anything please let me know!
Whats your Tooth and Nail combo, any cats?
Any help very much appreciated.
1 week ago
Great start for your first commander deck. There are some Green/White staples that you should consider adding: Krosan Grip, Sylvan Library, Eladamri's Call, Green Sun's Zenith, Regrowth, Harmonize, Eternal Witness, and Tooth and Nail. With your heavy creature base Craterhoof Behemoth + Avenger of Zendikar would be a great finisher with your Defense of the Heart or a Tooth and Nail. I'm also a sucker for Akroma's Memorial when going for a creature-based approach.
2 weeks ago
Thanks again. Infinite mana combos are a consideration, although I'd probably go for something that can be tutored with Protean Hulk or Tooth and Nail such as Deadeye Navigator + Palinchron . Because I already have kill combos with those cards infinite mana has always felt a bit redundant. I also don't have many ways to draw more cards on my turn so it seems hard to make full use of infinite mana.
Woodfall Primus seems good, but if I have Mikaeus, the Unhallowed out I'm already very close to killing. He usually never even hits the board without his combo pieces entering with him. Infinite Woodfall Primus seems a little redundant as a result.
Glen Elendra Archmage is busted and should probably be in the deck.
Dream Halls is cool, but again I don't have very many ways to draw a lot of cards on my turn. I'd also need a way to consistently sac it at the end of my turn. Might be good for going for an explosive winning turn when I already have a lot of cards and just need to break through a Tormod's Crypt though.
2 weeks ago
Overall loving what i'm seeing here. 5C scary cheaty things is always fun. If you would like a couple suggestions check the spoilers.
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- One of the biggest problems with 5C decks is not getting the colors of mana you need. Some of the signets and or cluestones could be helpful. However with Chromatic Lantern and Joiner Adept in the list it may be a moot point.
- Mana doubling is another great thing for the deck. Mirari's Wake is the best around for this but adding another 1-2 would probably help a lot. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is a personal favorite. If you want to you could add Palinchron to get infinite mana with a doubling effect.
- Your land base looks to be about as good as it gets without shelling out a lot. The only thing I have to suggest is Mana Confluence.
- Wrath of God//Damnation//Supreme Verdict
- Day of Judgment//Rout
- Plague Wind//In Garruk's Wake//Merciless Eviction//Perilous Vault
- Nature's Ruin//Perish - Mostly useful against elves but green is a really popular color in EDH in general.
- Sneak Attack - Rather expensive to buy but if you can get one it's incredibly strong.
- Tooth and Nail - With Jhoda or Fist it's at a 2 mana discount.
- Wild Pair - Likely not efficient enough for the deck for P/T totals you have 3 at 20, 3 at 12, 5 at 10, 5 at 4, 3 at 3, and 5 at 2. Mostly, not ones which win you the game by hitting but free creatures is still good.
Regardless of if you look at the suggestions +1 upvote and i'll likely be using this as a base for my own Jodah EDH in the next few months.
3 weeks ago
If you're aiming for this to be truly competitive, here are some suggestions.
Avenger of Zendikar, Kokusho, the Evening Star, Razaketh, the Foulblooded, and Verdant Force can all go for more immediate reanimation targets. If they weren't in here for reanimation, I'd take them out altogether. Some replacements could be Palinchron, Consecrated Sphinx, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Tidespout Tyrant, and Nullstone Gargoyle. These all have an immediate presence, and basically read "Your opponents can't win the game until I'm dealt with." These slots can be flexed based on meta and shit tho so take your pick. Avenger, Koko, and Verdant Force really don't do much until your next turn, so they can be either easily dealt with or at least prepared for before they come in swinging or start getting sac-ed for value. Razaketh is a more expensive Rune-Scarred Demon that requires another creature, as you're usually only going to need one tutor to win the game. Palinchron is a super good combo piece, sphinx will draw you at the very least two cards before sorcery speed removal is online, vorinclex will tap down at the very least 2-3 lands for targeted removal, and more for wipes. Tidespout can wipe out an entire color from someone's manabase if you play it right, and can do that the second after it hits the field, even in response to an immediate removal spell. Gargoyle is iffy, but can shut down some decks. This one's risky but amazing if you play around it correctly.
Hell's Caretaker and Zombify are sub-prime reanimation spells. Exhume is far and away a better replacement, despite not being a permanent and having a heavy downside. Necromancy is super good and you should definitely be running it. I'm not sure why Unearth is in here? It would be much better to devote this slot to ramp and use that ramp to then cast stuff from your graveyard with Muldrotha.
Dreamborn Muse and Traumatize. I know this will sound weird, but this scale of mill is simply not worth it. First off, they're both very expensively costed, and will most likely take up your turn. Second, drawing half your deck and tutoring for a combo piece basically have the same effect: you find your wincon; except that these mill spells don't guarantee it, and are clunky, inefficient, and expensive. Thirdly, even if you really feel the need to "draw" like thirty cards, you'll really only be able to play a couple of them before the game ends, so again its redundant and over the top. A better option would be something like intuition, which will mill only the cards you want, without being over the top. Sultai Ascendancy is decent, and I have no qualms with putting it in, but Search for Azcanta Flip is much much better, and even something like Monastery Siege has the same type of filtering effects but with more flexibility and less mana requirement. Overall, I like to stick to cards like Careful Study and Winds of Rebuke over just straight up milling effects, as they prioritize giving you options and flexibility over shear milling quantity.
Disciple of Bolas. There are better sac outlets.
River Kelpie is kind of on the same path as Traumatize: its just too much. Yeah, if you're super greedy you can devote a turn to playing this and maybe draw a shit ton of cards from it over the next few turns, but it really is just a win more spell. The whole point of this deck is to have the stuff you're re casting be good enough that it can win you the game right away, without the need to draw extra cards. If this is in here to find those good cards, there are better filtering and tutor options.
Gitrog is juicy, but not competitive. It's expensive, and doesn't really provide that much immediate value. It's really sick tho.
Worldly Tutor is much worse than Mystical Tutor or Vampiric Tutor here. Searching for a Tooth and Nail and then winning is much better than searching for a part of your combo. It's a really good card tho so keep it in if you find a good slot.
Sylvan Awakening I'm guessing is part of some combo I don't quite understand, but otherwise isn't really that great. Even if you had like 10 lands on the battlefield, it still wouldn't make a dent in your opponents' collective life total.
World Shaper and Ramunap/Crucible are good, don't get me wrong. However, they add, as I've said before, lots of redundancy. With your current deck, will you winning the game really depend on if you play 3 strip mines in one turn versus 2? Crack 3 fetches instead of 2? Again don't get me wrong, these are good cards, and if you make the deck almost completely devoted to a "lands matter" archetype, they are staples, but if you're aiming to get your commander out during most games, they'll just get in the way and provide you with unnecessary, excessive land drops. Now, World Shaper does ramp you and mill you, so it is flexible, but it is slow and expensive, and could still probably be replaced by something better.
Kodama's Reach, Cultivate, Awakening Zone, and Chromatic Lantern are great for fixing/ramp, but are just too damn slow. What you really need for ramping is Mana Crypt, signets or dorks(your choice, but i'd select either artifacts or creatures and role with it), Mind Stone, Mox Diamond, Lion's Eye Diamond, Lotus Petal, Nature's Lore, Three Visits, azusa, Grim Monolith, and Deathrite Shaman. These are all great options, take your pick.
Just some things I think you should consider: Protean Hulk and Defense of the Heart are good combo enablers, Pernicious Deed is a recurrable boardwipe, shriekmaw is cheap recurrable removal, Mystic Remora is really cheap card draw that becomes even better w/ muldrotha on the field, Greater Good draws you some cards but more importantly fills your graveyard, Contamination can shut down your opponents and is easy to keep up w/ muldrotha on board, and Command Beacon is a must have with a six mana commander, not to mention you can replay it when muldrotha is out.
Overall you really just need to make your ramp package better. Also, if you want to make this deck more combo-y, just take out everything that produces long term value and replace it with counters and removal.