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Gaea's Cradle Discussion
21 hours ago
Necropotence is a powerful draw refill engine, if you fix your mana base you will always be guaranteed to hit triple black easily. There are also ways you can add in triple black by having burst mana in the use of rituals like Dark Ritual . The Venser's Journal and Necro synergy is great, but sometimes it will be a dead card in your hand but the lifegain never really is a detriment. I played Sen for quite awhile so it does draw a lot of hate. One card I do like a lot if your going in a creature light build is Overburden as pretty much you deny them of playing more creatures and if they do they bounce back a land which you can play. I would also go into a some extra turn builds to build up more advantage, cards like Nexus of Fate , Time Warp , or Temporal Manipulation are stellar cards to use.
Yeah I can definitely help with mana base, however depending on your budget it can go either way as land base are quite expensive. Utility lands aren't much of a problem aside from that one Strip Mine to deal with pesky lands like Gaea's Cradle and such. There are other synergy you can use like Notion Thief + Windfall / Dark Deal / Whispering Madness . The additions you add are great ones, but in personal opinion I still think the CMC curve is quite high and can still be lowered.
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4 days ago
Starting with mana base, I would cut any land entering tapped as the only way it enters. You are giving your opponent a Time Walk every time they come into play because it puts you a turn behind. They either should just be basic lands or upgrades, the big ones being City of Brass , Mana Confluence , and Forbidden Orchard . These lands far outweigh things like Bojuka Bog or Murmuring Bosk or Temple of Plenty . Also would cut Razorverge Thicket , Canopy Vista , Fortified Village and High Market . The first three are too conditional and High Market is colorless with no immediate benefit. I would play the pain lands before these lands as they don’t enter tapped and still give you your colors and I would play the fetchlands before the painlands. Keep in mind you can play up too nine fetchlands because they don’t have any color symbols on them. Second, upgrade the tutor package. Vampiric Tutor and Demonic Tutor are the best black tutors in the format, and the reason to be in black. I would consider them higher priority than fast mana rocks. The cuts I would make are Apprentice Necromancer Damnation Day of Judgment Bloodthrone Vampire Qasali Pridemage Altar of Dementia Ashnod's Altar Lotleth Troll Life from the Loam Greater Good and Farseek The sac outlets only come out when you combo, so having excess is deadweight. The board wipes aren’t doing anything to stop fast combo, so they can be cut. The necromancer and pridemage are value, but not enough. I would rather play Assassin's Trophy and Abrupt Decay over those two. Card suggestions Stony Silence Null Rod Abrupt Decay Assassin's Trophy Birthing Pod Nature's Claim Nature's Lore Survival of the Fittest Demonic Tutor Vampiric Tutor Aura Shards Leyline of the Void , Containment Priest and Grafdigger's Cage . If you can’t play fast mana, neither should your opponents. The first two are MUST INCLUDES and the tutors are HIGH PRIORITY. Nature's Lore is a strict upgrade over Farseek . The last three are graveyard hate that hates out the two decks mentioned. I know that you are thinking “but those last two hate out my deck as well”. That is the wrong way to look at them. The first question you should ask is “are the two decks I’m losing too faster than me?” The answer is yes, they are. After that, the next question should be “can I be faster than them?” The answer is no, you can’t be faster than them. Without cards like Gaea's Cradle and Mana Crypt and Mox Diamond and Survival of the Fittest and Demonic Tutor you will never be faster. Even with these cards, this strategy is considered to be slower than the two decks mentioned. Therefore, you have to slow them down at all costs, even if it means you won’t be winning anytime soon. I would say that the hate pieces are MUST INCLUDES. I would cut Hushwing Gryff and Gaddock Teeg as these cards are not helping you fight your meta. The last bit of advice is that you are playing Stax pieces and are playing a Stax deck. The deck needs to fight what you are playing against. Anything that does not do that is unhelpful at best and a game loss at most. Sure, you are playing to a combo finish, but there are multiple turns before that game winning combo, and every card in your opening hand has to slow down your opponent or speed you up. If they are not doing that, they should be cut. Anyhow, this is just my opinion. Hope this helps. Good luck.
2 weeks ago
CyborgAeon: Cheers for the response. I had looked at using Freed from the Real , however my biggest concern with it an Bloom Tender is that you end up producing WBRG each loop (assuming you have your commander out). This in turn is not enough to loop Sliver Overlord and then means I can't combo via it. That's why I went for Umbral Mantle instead - it lets me produce WUBRG from both Bloom Tender and Selvala, Heart of the Wilds . I was also thinking of adding Gaea's Cradle so that I could put Umbral Mantle on Kiora's Follower as well.
The reason I was looking at Nivix Guildmage was that as well as producing infinite mana, he can act as a draw engine for Timetwister and Noxious Revival without the extra card requirements. Though Izzet Guildmage seems good too, I had kind of forgotten about him. Talking to a mate about it, he was actually recommending Riftsweeper instead, which does go all in on the Acidic Sliver line but technically provides redundancy on every pieces.
I'm on the fence about Copy Artifact - it's not bad but I don't think I need it here.
As for Overlord himself, I get that he's basically a dedicated combo piece. But the benefit of him is that he provides access to all five colours, provides a tutor for the deck win condition and can help get there faster by tutoring 2 mana BoPs in the form of Manaweft Sliver and Gemhide Sliver . He's also naturally a 7/7, which is nothing to scoff at. I did think about Hivestone but decided not to run it as it's only good for mana fixing, which I can get with Cryptolith Rite . I was thinking about Arcane Adaptation which gives Overlord deck-wide tutor, but for now am under the opinion that it's too mana inefficient. I might change my mind on this though.
3 weeks ago
For your Rhys deck, I know your on budget so I would definitely consider adding in Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip. It essentially a baby Gaea's Cradle and you can trigger it quite easily. Since you are also running Hoof, Natural Order is another good addition to run that gives you access to him and can switch for lethal. Another card to consider would be Chord of Calling , it can grab you any creature from your deck and straight to your battlefield. There are some sweet interaction you can do with Chord, like EOT Chord for E-Wit, than Chord again for Avenger or etc.
You can try take a look at my friend's Rhys deck, he has a pretty tuned one and is pretty consistent as hell. His a bit more Elfball though as the synergy is nuts when combined with Elvish Guidance and such cards for mass mana. Only thing that it really lacks is the card advantage but that is just limited to the colors he runs. Speaking of card draw however, I would be inclined to add in Regal Force as well. It is sweet synergy to Natural Order right into Regal Force to draw a butt ton of cards.
Here is the link to my buddies cHaXEnd Rhy's list:
1 month ago
Claws of Gix is a card I should really have in here, and it's cheap to buy also, always a plus. I'm on a semi-budget, basically I buy myself an expensive new addition a few times a year (I don't know if I'll ever get my hands on a Gaea's Cradle heh). My next planned purchase is a Command Beacon which honestly seems pretty broken with Titania ^^
Lotus Vale and Akroma's Memorial are definitely on my radar, but I feel like the beacon is more important at this point, the memorial is definitely awesome though. I also used to run Natural Balance , but I too often found it sitting in my hand for too many turns in a row, so I ended up cutting it.
I was interested in your Squirrel Wrangler inclusion, I hadn't considered it with Gaea's Cradle , the combo with Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is cool, but it's not tutor-able like the cradle is to combo with the Squirrel Wrangler , do you find the wrangler to be good on it's own without the cradle as well?
Ah yeah, that's a good reminder! Petrified Field was out of stock last I time I ordered and since then I just kinda forgot about it. I'm definitely going to pick one up together with the Command Beacon .
1 month ago
Claws of Gix is nice to run alongside Sylvan Safekeeper and Zuran Orb for the sake of consistency. You have to pay mana into it, but it lets you sac any permanent. You can sacrifice your creatures, mainly Titania, should an opponent try to steal her.
Akroma's Memorial is also a good include. Pretty self explanatory lol
1 month ago
Shimmer/ Paradox Engine allows for mass, instant speed storm, at an insane ease. Yisan, while being better with Engine (untapping Yisan allows for fetching Llanowar Elves into Priest of Titania into Shimmer Myr into Temur Sabertooth or whatever, then keep untapping Yisan to go off until Great Oak Guardian then Sabertooth into infinite mana) still isn't an instant-speed spell, that is the issue. If the gamplan can be Swords to Plowshares ed at sorcery speed, the deck is doing something wrong.
If, just by playing lands, maybe a dork or some rocks, and passing, drawing cards, biding your time until the winning combo or impossibly difficult to win through lock hits the table, respond by casting everything you need to until you win.
This playstyle is Legacy Resetide ( Reset / High Tide with untap effects and a deck made up of Islands and instants, ready to storm until it casts a lethal Stroke of Genius on the opponent). I simply wanted to see if it was possible to accomplish a similar playstyle in Yeva.
You can't build Resetide in EDH because there isn't the consistency of running 7 Resets and 7 Tides (Legacy uses Cunning Wish as a playset for the 7 copies of every card in the deck it needs), nor can it even run enough instant speed draw and untap and ramp to pull it off without them, so mono-blue is out.
Zur can storm off at instant speed using Necropotence and Shimmer Myr , however doesn't have the luxury of doing it at anytime but on their own endstep, making it not a true-instant speed storm, as it can't do it in repsonse to an opponent winning on the opponent's turn.
Yeva, this list, can do it, only given a good hand and a lot of mana, but it can, with GoG and Cat. That was my interest in the deck. The issue was getting Cat, dorks that tapped for enough, and GoG, the mana to go off, and the interaction/protection to pull it all off.
Yeva was a long-shot, but if any deck could do it, Yeva seems like the one. The issue I found immediatly was wincon-lightness and tutor-lightness. The Cloudstone Curio , Paradox Engine wincons of the deck only go off at sorcery speed, so have big issues, however Shimmer Myr solves that, and allows for Walking Ballista , Candelabra of Tawnos (for Gaea's Cradle ), and more rocks to go off. The issue again is tutoring for that, then for the new combos. If this list had the tutor-density that a 3 color list like Zur would, it would work amazingly. As is, it just doesn't get there.
I am going to work further on this and try to get it to work, but Soren841 may be right that this is too difficult to accomplish.
Resetide may have friends in Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir . I may put some time into testing him out. That 5 mana cost is my biggest issue.
1 month ago
OptimalGreen: It definitely is, and I'm kicking myself for not realizing that earlier. With that being said, I'm wondering if I should try and find space for BOTH. Beyond the obvious Gaea's Cradle line, the two cards can also tutor for evasion, land removal, graveyard hate, etc... not to mention basic lands for Earthcraft shenanigans.
Gaea's Cradle occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%