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Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number a player discarded this way.
|Want (7)||Blood_Joker , blork , Gravehawk , MooNMTG , jfitztrainer , Thepolarbear504 , Spindanew|
9 hours ago
Hello, I saw the message you left on my wall, and I'm pretty sure this is the deck you were asking about, right?
So, when you say competitive, how competitive do you mean? cEDH is somewhat of a different beast from the usual EDH, where decks have average mana costs under 2, and you should be able to goldfish a win early (like turn 3 or earlier) and win through disruption turn 5+ and beyond. Grixis Storm is an established cEDH archetype, and that's most likely what you could slide these Commanders into (Kess and Jeleva are the usual Commanders for such a thing, but there's no reason you couldn't use partners even if they're a little suboptimal; it's the 99 (or 98, in this case) that would be most important to set in stone). Also, cEDH ain't cheap. Your deck will probably have a similar price tag to some of mine if you actually go all out on optimization (for example, check my Breya list here. It can win turn 2 with no acceleration at all, turn 1 with acceleration. The deck has a hard time with disruption, though, which is why it's geared toward winning as fast as possible. If that's what you have interest in, then a complete rework of this deck may be necessary as your mana costs are simply too high to support this at current.
So, that said, if you're just wanting a good Vial Smasher/Kraum deck, I can help with that. Keep an idea of swapping Kraum for Silas Renn in the back pocket, though, because he can be nice recursion at a low-creature table.
Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal + mana rocks is a great way to produce infinite spells cast and mana. It's generally easier to pull off than Rings + Monolith, and while it does require more moving parts, those parts are all cards you should be happy to see anyway (artifact or creature based ramp). As it stands, I only see 9 mana rocks in this deck- that number should be increased. Talisman of Dominance and Indulgence should go in, as should Fellwar Stone . Chrome Mox would be a nice inclusion as well. Charcoal Diamond and Sky Diamond make reasonable budget inclusions until you can get Mox Opal or Mox Diamond . That'll put you up to 15 mana rocks and 37 lands, so you could probably drop a land or two to hover around 50 mana sources. I also see that you have Power Artifact in the deck, and it might be a good idea to add Grim Monolith since those also produce infinite mana together (skip adding a Diamond to add this). I recommend dropping:
Metallurgic Summoning (card seems meh; it can win via Dramatic Scepter but your draw spells and Comet Storm, etc., do this already).
Platinum Angel (it's a nice card, but this doesn't really help you win unless you were absolutely going to lose after you reached 7 mana, and involves nobody having a kill spell. Most of the time, having removal or a counter would be straight up superior to running this card).
Kaervek the Merciless (he's a great effect but 7 mana is quite a lot).
Strionic Resonator (this doesn't do that much here, not that I can tell. I may be glossing over something, but it's not like this is a Brago deck where this goes infinite with a Sol Ring or something).
Invoke the Firemind (this isn't great unless you have infinite mana, and you already have better draw spells once you get infinite mana)
And 1 land. This'll let you fit the above mana rocks in.
Swap Torrential Gearhulk for Mission Briefing .
Swap out Murderous Cut for Toxic Deluge , Voidmage Husher for Stifle (the latter isn't reusable but it's 25% of the mana, which is huge). Fire Covenant is better at a lot of tables than Hero's Downfall, I'd make that swap. Curtain's Call could probably just be cut for something, anything, else.
I recommend putting Notion Thief into the deck, alongside Wheel of Fortune , Windfall , and possibly Winds of Change . Drawing 20+ cards in one turn all the while forcing your opponents down to 0 cards is hilariously useful, and each of the cards mentioned are reasonably good on their own. Cutting Reforge the Soul, and probably 2 of your worst extra turn/X spells might be valuable, here. Stunt Double could also be cut if you need the space but don't want to drop anything else.
Now, the most important thing about these cards is being able to find them! So, I recommend adding:
Lim-Dul's Vault , Fabricate , Merchant Scroll (finds Dramatic Reversal), Reshape (this one is hit or miss sometimes, but it can be very beneficial to find your Scepter or a mana rock capable of supporting Scepter), Tainted Pact (this deck is perfect for Pact; if you have Reversal and an X spell in your hand, it gets you Scepter. This would be a little better if you were using Vial Smasher/Thrasios since you wouldn't need an infinite mana outlet in hand to use it, but still, it's very, very strong). Frantic Search is free card filtering, and Muddle the Mixture can find anything 2 mana or function as a counter spell if you need it. The flexibility is worth the higher cost to tutor. I, at least, recommend Lim-Dul's Vault, Muddle the Mixture, and Frantic Search. Merchant Scroll would also be very nice.
Okay, so that's a bunch of changes, but you should notice a pretty sizable reduction in mana costs across the board, and some pet cards are still left in (copious extra turn spells, Mind's Dilation, etc.) that could probably be up for review at a later date. You should be able to reach 5 mana on turn 3/4, pop an extra turn spell or two, and then assemble an infinite mana combo to win. If you're wanting to go cEDH though, let me know, and I'll show you some things for Grixis Storm.
1 day ago
Would recommend Dack Fayden , Arcane Denial , Force of Will , Counterbalance , Mana Drain , Rhystic Study , Pact of Negation , Dig Through Time , Slight of Hand, Faithless Looting , Ad Nauseam , Yawgmoth's Will , Windfall , Wheel of Fortune , Wheel of Fate , Gush , Isochron Scepter , Stifle , and Damnation .
2 days ago
DavePeachtree Thanks for the suggestions! Unfortunately Rhystic Study does not do much in my meta as everyone pays the extra one. Wheel of Fortune is already in the deck but Fact or Fiction and Windfall both provide good value, especially if Riku can copy, and I will look into finding slots. If you have any cut suggestions I have great difficulty removing cards and am more than open to help.
4 days ago
Hey, been playing Mairsil for a few months now and here to offer some suggestions. But I also have some questions.
1: Are you married to infinite mana combos? MY experience is that they are ineffective because they require perfect hands. And due to your budget limit I would imagine Demonic and Vampiric Tutors are out of the question. Ditto Intuition. It's too bad because these three would really enable artifact based combos to be assembled easier. Of course there's Fabricate or Whir of Invention but these are sub-optimal to Black tutors which fetch anything you want. Board wipes for example, which are SO important in a Mairsil build. You should also run Mystical Tutor as it's within your budget and fetches maybe the most important card in the deck (Buried Alive) Also, DEFINITELY play Gamble is you're not running the black tutors. If there that doesn't care about the discard, this is it.
2: Pillowforts and Board Wipes. Which do you prefer? My personal experience is that pillowfort cards like Smoke Crawlspace and Caverns of Despair (or in your deck, Propaganda) are not only not always effective, they are prone to removal. Both from other players and from you caging Nev's Disk with Mairsil and establishing a soft lock. I would take the Last One Standing and mainboard it immediately along with the excellent Chandra's Ignition and if you're willing to go overbudget Toxic Deluge is also a must. Though cheaper $$$, but higher CMC, alternatives exist. You might also want to consider Fire Covenant as a mix between targeted and mass removal. Crypt Rats is also a good walking boardwipe and cage target. Though it is best when Chromatic Lanterns is on board or if you're running Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Card Draw: First off: Fact or Fiction is your best friend. This is literally the best card draw card in Magic for this Commander. The reasons for which are pretty easy to see. As another commenter on Reddit said: Wheels. Wheels. Wheels. Windfall , Magus of the Wheel , but Jace's Archivist and Whispering Madness most of all since they can be stapled to Mairsil for further wheeling. You want to be POWERING through your deck. Especially since you are not/ cannot get the high end, low CMC tutors. For additional evil, add Legacy All Star Notion Thief . "Flash in Notion Thief at the end of your turn. My turn. Windfall. We all discard your hands. I draw 28 cards...you guys draw none" A few of the loot effects are fine for the extremely early game but I'd keep 3 max and replace the rest with FoF's and wheels.
Haste enablers: I am just going to assume you don't know about Hanweir Battlements and Flamekin Village you can lose Urabrask for sure and free up a slot for something else and also lose either Fervor or Thousand Year (which, as established, die to Disk...though despite dying to Disk I would recommend Lightning Greaves for the Shroud just as much as the Haste)
Counters: I would lose anything with 2 Blue in the casting cost in favor of things like Intervene . Keeping as much Blue open as possible for Aetherling and Quicksilver Elemental's abilities to be activated when needed. Negate is also a strong pick as, largely, your opponents creatures shouldn't be of much concern to you. You are mostly concerned with countering instants that try to kill Mairsil in response to an ability activation or, frustratingly, people attempting to counter Mairsil. To be specific put in the two cards I suggested and take out Counterspell and Wizard's Retort.
Cage Targets/ Creatures: Personally, I would lose the infinite mana stuff as it is convoluted in several ways, but to each their own. I'll try to keep my advice away from that issue save to say that: Your combos should really be two cards and preferably creatures so they and Aetherling can be dumped in one go with Buried Alive. (It's getting late here so I'm not going to offer any reasons from here on out but if you have questions I'll respond to them tomorrow) Out: Deadeye Nav, Duskmantle Guildmage, Knacksaw Clique, Mischievious Poltergeist, Oona, Soul of New Phyrexia, Urabrask, Walking Ballista. Maybe out: Geth, Memnarch, The Locust God (he may be worth keeping if you follow through on running a tonne of wheels). (I will suggest cards to run and wrap up this comment tomorrow, though feel more than free to hit me up in the meantime)
5 days ago
I haven't been playing with or against this commnader yet. But it's one that floats on my list too.
Without looking at cuts, I would seriously consider these cards:
- Devastation Tide
- Isochron Scepter
- Careful Study
- Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip
- Dramatic Reversal
- Mana Leak
- Phantasmal Image
- Looter il-Kor
- Gitaxian Probe
- Dark Confidant
- Sygg, River Cutthroat
- Wharf Infiltrator
Enough food for thought :-)
5 days ago
Well thought out deck... Most of my ideas for additions were already there when i went looking. I feel like the big weakness is card draw for you. I see a few great ones like sphinx and tatoyva... but id like to see a few more... ie Rhystic Study or even some ones like Fact or Fiction and Wheel of Fortune and Windfall . Because its not a bad thing to have those lands in the graveyard. One you have crucible or runumap out. Just an idea... but youd definitely want world shaper and other ways to get lands back out of the yard.
dingusdingo on Flex
6 days ago
It is true that there are infinite "what ifs" in a game as open as Magic, but we know that there are certain cards we can expect to see in the most competitive formats. If we look at what is currently being run and why its effective, we can better prepare our decks to be more resilient against them.
Your deck tries to combo out by ramping mana, drawing cards, and playing into a win-con. There are going to be certain styles of decks that are more prone to shutting you off, which is why I'm bringing up these strategies in particular. Since your combo window is turns 4-6, you need to be worried about two things in cEDH. The first is people comboing out faster than you. We see this in decks such as Gitrog, Godo Helm, or even Grenzo. When these decks are consistently busting their combo turn 2-3, you need to answer or lose. Relying on other players to put a stop to a win attempt will prove unreliable, which is why its so important that you slot removal. Your turn 4/5/6 answer does no good when the game is over by turn 2/3. If you have no way to turn off their win, you are asking them to goldfish to a victory on you.
The second type of decks that will prove problematic for a turn 4-6 combo deck is stax, because their deck is designed to deprive you of resources and push your combo window so far back that you are unable to combo before they have won. They drop very fast and efficient heavy mana rocks, and then put down tax effects to make you unable to play. This specific style of deck can be hard for your build because they can lock you out of playing your draw spells, they can steal your draws, or simply prevent your draws altogether.
Let me give an example to show you what I mean.
Stax Example Show
You take your second turn, you play another land, and are unable to play due to Trinisphere
Your opponent takes their second turn, playing a fetchland into Underground Sea . Tap tomb to make , untapping Grim Monolith with Voltaic Key , leaving . Tap Monolith up to , use sea and opal to get to . Drop Tangle Wire then Sphere of Resistance
You take your third turn. You tap your two lands to Tanglewire, play a third land, and are still unable to play due to Trinisphere .
Your opponents third turn, they drop Tangle wire to 3 before tapping tanglewire sphere and ancient tomb. They drop any land, use it for voltaic key to Grim Monolith, before using monolith for and opal for / for Timetwister / Wheel of Fortune / Windfall , gaining them 7 shiny new cards while making you lose your mulligan card quality opening hand. They pass, knowing you still can't play anything
Your fourth turn, you have to tap all 3 untapped lands to Tangle Wire , you play a land, and pass. You have basically been timewalked 3 turns in a row.
Your opponent starts their fourth turn, dropping Tangle wire to 2 before tapping wire and sphere of resistance to Tangle wire. They are now free to drop more stax pieces ( Nether Void Winter Orb Static Orb Thorn of Amethyst Lodestone Golem Stasis ), play whatever commander/s they run, tutor up very cheap and cost effective winning combos, or establish a game-winning board presence that leads to their game winning combos.
Your fifth turn starts, you tap two lands to Tangle Wire , and if you play a fifth land. You have 3 untapped, so you might be able to play a spell assuming they haven't dropped anymore stax pieces and aren't holding any counterspells. Note that you can only play a 1 or 2 cmc spell, Sphere of Resistance is out, so your commander is still a no-go, and Trinisphere ensures you are only getting 1 spell max here no matter what. Its more likely than not with your current build you won't be able to play any spells here at all because your average CMC is so high. You've basically been time walked 4 turns in a row.
Stax is a very common archetype in the competitive scene, which is why its so important that you try to stax-proof your deck. It looks to me as if stax can cause serious problems for you.
On top of taxing stax, there's another type that may shut your deck off. Heavy discard. An early Sire Of Insanity can hose your whole game, while Mindslicer can impact your card advantage enough to cause a loss. Multiple discard effects like Necrogen Mists Bottomless Pit Oppression landing by turn 2 will make your build extremely sad (Turn 1 Dark Ritual Cabal Ritual Mana Crypt + any producing land and drop two discard enchantments). Chains of Mephistopheles turns off all your big draws, so does Alms Collector or Notion Thief
Another set of cards I would recommend taking a peek at is recursion. It can help against discard effects that would otherwise shut you off, or serve as a 2nd/3rd/4th copy of your draw spell. Wildest Dreams would work surprisingly well in your deck, the mana aspect is negligible and lets you reuse multiple big draw spells from your graveyard, as well as recover from wipes. Nostalgic Dreams is arguably worse with the additional cost, but can translate extra basics tutored by your 3 cmc ramp spells into more draws. Regrowth is also fantastic.
I hope you don't mind the close inspection! I really enjoy your build, I'm just curious to know if you run into these cards and how you interact with them. Almost all the stax cards I linked are included in tournament proven cEDH lists with various commanders, so they're cards that are in the meta and will be played.
1 week ago
For Circu especially in a draw go type of style, I rely more on the burst draw type of cards or windmill type. So cards like Windfall and Whispering Madness are my shoe in. As well as Pull from Tomorrow , Stroke of Genius , and Blue Sun's Zenith . The burst draw they give even when X=3 is quite powerful. Other than that, card draw engines are next on priority list.
Windfall occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.11%
U/R (Izzet): 0.91%
W/U/B (Esper): 0.39%
U/B/R (Grixis): 1.35%
BUG (Sultai): 0.54%