Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number a player discarded this way.
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|Commander 2020 (C20)||Uncommon|
|Commander Anthology 2018 (CM2)||Uncommon|
|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2016 (C16)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2015 (C15)||Uncommon|
|MTG: Commander (CMD)||Uncommon|
|Battle Royale Box Set (BRB)||Uncommon|
|Urza's Saga (USG)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
2 days ago
Hey, nice start on a budget.
Consider expanding on instants/sorceries trimming creatures? The power of Kess comes from being able to cast an instant/sorcery from your graveyard on your turn therefore you want to take more advantage of this especially draw and dig. Could start by cutting half the creatures from the creature base and adding mana efficient spells that Kess can cast from your graveyard:
- Dark Ritual
- Frantic Search
- Ignite the Future
- Chaos Warp
- Feed the Swarm
- Liliana's Triumph
A powerful repeatable effect on a budget with Kess because she has flying is Whispering Madness. Cipher Whispering to Kess and then when she does combat damage to an opponent everyone wheels their hands for no mana cost to you. A repeatable wheel fills your graveyard up with spells to then cast with Kess. Can even cast Whispering from your graveyard with Kess and then Cipher it to her or another creature you control. The act of discarding a card to Whispering means that if the card has a madness cost you can pay that cost. This is a way to discard a lot of cards with madness while at the same time able to pay the madness bonus cost.
A wheel makes all players discard their hands and draw cards, but you can prevent your opponents from drawing with Narset, Parter of Veils and Notion Thief. Notion is $0.50 not $2. With one of these cards in your control then your opponents don't draw cards after they discard their hands.
For the manabase you would be better off playing more basic lands then lands that always ETB tapped such as the three Vivids, Transguild Promenade, Cinder Barrens, etc. Exotic Orchard could replace Promenade. My advice for the manabase on a budget is build it around more basic lands and include dual lands that have interaction with basic lands or are good budget dual lands:
- Shivan Reef: less than $1.
- Grixis Panorama
- Sunken Hollow
- Smoldering Marsh
- Sulfur Falls
- Dragonskull Summit
- Graven Cairns
- Choked Estuary
- Foreboding Ruins
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
6 days ago
Hey there Kronhamilton,
First of all, I like the improvements you’ve made to your deck. It’s already looking a lot slicker and I can see you’ve made some very fun looking changes to how the deck plays.
You’ve got a nice array of threats (I always love to see the Bringers and Ur-Dragon) and a decent amount of ramp which are both a big plus. Additionally, you’ve got the beginnings of some nasty graveyard synergy shaping up, which looks really, really cool as a sort of plan B.
That being said, I’d like to make a few suggestions to help guide you toward a more consistent and powerful Golos deck. Please remember that these suggestions are just my informed opinion, and that I totally respect whatever deck choices you decide to make. I really just want to help you get comfortable with deck building and learning what to look for in a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ card.
I would encourage you to add 2 Lands, 3 Removal cards, and 8 Draw cards. I’d also think about adding 2 more Ramp cards, but that is less critical to the overall health of the deck. Your Threats look great and I think your Sweepers are also appropriate. Anything that synergizes with your graveyard backup plan is great.
There are a couple of things to think about as you play this deck; 1. “Am I happy or sad to be holding this card in my hand or drawing it off the top of my deck?” – If a card seems to constantly be ‘the wrong card’ for the situation, or you can never seem to cast it, or you always play other cards instead, or you tend to die while holding a certain card, then you probably want to think about how well that card fits in your deck and whether or not you should cut it or modify the deck to support it. 2. “What ongoing advantage does this card give me?” – Some cards seem like a decent card based on having decent power/toughness, a fair cost, and some neat keywords or abilities. Just having those upsides alone though doesn’t make a card truly powerful. Instead, try to think about what ways a card can synergize with your deck to create crazy effects or otherwise how it will become more dangerous as the game progresses (like a Quartzwood Crasher, Scute Swarm, or Giant Adephage). Additionally, try to find cards that do multiple things such as Chasm Skulker which gets bigger when you draw cards and also explodes into tokens when it dies, or even Ravenous Chupacabra which deals with a threat and also acts as a blocker when you are facing pressure. The key is finding a way to levarage the most amount of value in each individual card – even a 2 mana ramp spell will set you up to play all of your future spells 1 turn earlier than normal for the rest of the game, which can be an insane advantage when you think about it. 3. “Am I out of options?” – If you can’t seem to find a solution to a problem or you’re ‘running out of steam’, then it is likely that you need more card draw and more ways to create ‘engines’ that accrue value. An example of an engine would be Fertilid + Evolution Sage or Rampaging Baloths + Elemental Bond or Kruphix, God of Horizons + Victory Chimes or Atraxa, Praetors' Voice + Ajani, the Greathearted or Anointed Procession + Endless Ranks of the Dead or Search for Azcanta Flip or Deadbridge Chant or Mind Unbound, etc.
Your ramp looks pretty good with 10 dedicated Ramp cards. I’d suggest adding 2 more Ramp spells to really help speed things up early. Examples would be Kodama's Reach, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth, Farseek, Rampant Growth, Springbloom Druid, etc.
Ramp - 10
Azusa, Lost but Seeking - you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability.
Empowered Autogenerator – this card is vastly too slow to be considered a true Ramp card. At best I would call it a ‘Ramp Support’ card, because it is there to slowly help you in the late game, not propel you in the early game like a true Ramp card (Rampant Growth, Farseek, Fertile Ground, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth)
Overall, I think your card draw package needs a little bit of love. I want to note I see a lot of ‘looting’ effects like the ones on Teferi, Master of Time or Obsessive Stitcher and while these cards are great for a graveyard strategy they still don’t count as card draw. I’d keep most of these ‘looting’ type cards, but try to find cards that get you about 2 or 3 cards such as Harmonize, Concentrate, Escape to the Wilds, Urban Evolution, Moldervine Reclamation, Deathreap Ritual, Recurring Insight, Mind Unbound, Underworld Connections, Cloudblazer, Mulldrifter, Drawn from Dreams, Return of the Wildspeaker, Harvester of Souls, Momentous Fall, Dream Trawler, Keeper of Fables etc.
Draw - 2
Barrin, Tolarian Archmage – drawing 1 card does not really count. If anything, Barrin is like slow, bad removal for dealing with your opponents’ stuff temporarily. If you’re interested in reusing Golos’s land finding ability I would recommend playing Soulherder instead.
Solemn Simulacrum – He has sort of ‘incidental value’ with his death trigger but doesn’t actively net you a bunch of cards like Keruga, the Macrosage or Beast Whisperer. Sad Robot is still great though.
Titanoth Rex – still keep this guy because he is a threat that isn’t dead in your hand on turn 5.
Void Beckoner – same story as the Rex
Teferi, Master of Time – Teferi’s great, but he is really at his best when you’ve got 4-7 card in hand so that you can throw a bunch of big threats to the graveyard and hopefully draw a reanimation spell. Other than that, Teferi isn’t going to refill your hand so he doesn’t count as true draw.
Your removal package looks like it needs a couple more additions to keep your deck responsive and able to handle imminent-doom type threats. It is worth noting that cards like Blatant Thievery or Mythos of Illuna can save you in certain situations, but be wary of their crazy mana costs and the fact that they are not instant-speed answers. Examples include Mythos of Nethroi, Beast Within, Price of Fame, Reality Shift, Terminate, Return to Nature, Putrefy, Utter End, Eat to Extinction, Murderous Rider, etc.
Removal – 4 (aim for 7)
There are several cards that I would consider cutting first when modifying the deck.
- Lukka, Coppercoat Outcast - he relies very heavily on luck and only interacts with creatures. This makes him good with only 30% of your deck. Additionally, Lukka can’t ‘protect’ himself like Garruk can (making tokens to block for him), nor does he have an immediately accessible removal ability like Teferi. Overall, Lukka is interesting but a little lacking in consistency, defensibility, and power.
Azusa, Lost but Seeking – you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability. Yes, you can use the double lands (like Gruul Turf) to bounce a land to hand and then play that land with Asuza, but realistically that’s such a narrow and relatively tame synergy (in this non-landfall deck, that is) that you would be better off playing a Farseek or a Rampant Growth or even a Fertile Ground.
Sparkhunter Masticore - This little fellow has a major drawback and no seriously crazy abilities that make him worthwhile. Yes he can deal with planeswalkers, but so can a Murderous Rider or an Eat to Extinction. Yes he can be an indestructible 3/4, but you have to pay 3 mana just to make him indestructible. Under normal circumstances that’s 6 mana for a 3/4 that dodges death one time - a 3/4 just isn’t fantastic. The biggest bad news about this robocat is its “additional cost to cast” ability which means that even if you hit it with Golos’s ‘Rainbow Wheel of Death’ ability, you still have to discard a card for a 3/4. I just honestly think you’d rather have a removal spell (Beast Within, Mythos of Nethroi) instead of this cat any day.
Pursued Whale - While this whale is kinda cool and he does force combat, he is just sorta expensive for what he does. 7 mana for an 8/8 is pretty standard and giving your opponents tokens (that they could just attack you with or sacrifice to an effect) can be a bad idea in some situations, such as when they have an Beastmaster Ascension or a similar effect on the field. While his semi-hexproof ability (3 more mana to target) seems nifty, that is one of the only really powerful highlight abilities of this card, meaning that ability is protecting a relatively low-powered card. A couple immediate alternatives come to mind for me; Geode Rager to force combat AND keep you safe, and Dream Trawler for a flying, hexproof, lifelinking, card drawing threat.
Renata, Called to the Hunt - She just isn’t fantastic. You aren’t playing a devotion centric deck in which she might become a 10/10, and your strategy doesn’t really care about 1/1 counters either. I would consider replacing her with a Harmonize or another 3 or 4 drop with more impactful abilities. Heck, even another reanimation spell could be nice like Unburial Rites or Grave Upheaval since your deck seems to have some tendency to but things in the graveyard for later.
Lorescale Coatl - Cards like this (or his bigger cousin Chasm Skulker) are really designed for “wheel decks” that play “wheel effects” like Windfall or Reforge the Soul. He is fine, but really not much better than that. If you want a threat that can grow faster and do more important things, try Managorger Hydra or even Scute Mob.
Colossification - This aura is too expensive, taps your creature down, and worst of all is an aura. Auras are generally quite bad because your opponent can destroy your creature and the aura attached to them with one spell – and odds are they’ll do that because it is usually too juicy not to. The fact that you can’t attach Colossification and attack immediately means that your opponents will have a full turn to deal with it before you get a chance to use it (and keep in mind your Colossified creature needs to survive 3 opponents’ turns!). This means you’ll most likely run out of cards in a hurry without accomplishing anything.
Door to Nothingness - Unlike Progenitus, you can’t reanimate the Door, nor can you get its full value off of the Rainbow Wheel of Death. The only time this card does anything at all is when you literally have 10 mana of the exact color combination necessary to use it. It’s still your call, and I know some people make it a goal to Door their opponents, but be warned: you probably don’t have as much ramp as you need to make this work well. I’d consider supporting this crazy cards (and your many expensive threats for that matter) with a few more ramp spells – Boundless Realms, Migration Path, Circuitous Route, Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegetation, Zendikar Resurgent
Azor's Gateway Flip – This card belongs in a very specific variant of Golos. That variant is the Minamo, School at Water's Edge Golos deck which also runs stuff like Vizier of Tumbling Sands, Fatestitcher, Kiora's Follower, and other payoffs like Jegantha, the Wellspring, or Captain Sisay. Especially considering that Sanctum of the Sun (the flip side) adds X mana of only 1 color, I think this card is just rarely going to work like you want it to unfortunately.
Lathliss, Dragon Queen - Basically, you only have 3 other dragons in the deck so I would either exchange a bunch of cards for more dragons or cut Lathliss, since she will rarely be able to use her best ability (5/5 tokens). Keep in mind, you could also run a bunch of cards with the ‘changeling’ keyword if you wanted to get really funky, in which case you may as well also play stuff like Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, Reaper King, Crested Sunmare, The First Sliver but that’s a very slippery and insane slope that I’m not sure you want to get sucked into.
Nice changes Kronhamilton, I can see that your deck is really starting to shape up as a rampy graveyard-mingling Golos deck, and that’s really cool. I encourage you to try and pay attention to what situations you find yourself in, as that’s often the best way to tell what cards you need to cut or add to the deck for it to work best. As a default, I’d consider making a few of the changes I mentioned in the Broad Suggestion section, as those changes should just generally help with your deck’s consistency.
Please do let me know how you decide to tune your deck – it’s really fun to watch honestly, and I’m always down to help advise you. Other than that, take care and enjoy Golos!
1 week ago
I have a Gisa & Geralf deck too! Rooftop Experiments (Zombie Tribal).
So you say this decks needs some help. I've looked over it and here are my thoughts:
First off, it looks really good. I love your creature selection. It appears you're going somewhat wide with a "regular" aggro plan, so I'll be basing my suggestions off that. From what I've seen of your other decks you have something of a budget (as do I!) so I'll refrain from just suggesting every big-time upgrade on EDHREC.
One thing is it looks like you only have four or five ramp pieces. Personally I aim for at least eight in all my decks that don't have a ramp strategy, and more for those that do. Perhaps three more? I've found that I really like casting a spell from hand then casting a zombie from the graveyard as much as possible, so you'll be happy with the extra mana. Fellwar Stone is good for the Havengul Lich. Consider Mind Stone, Wayfarer's Bauble, Talisman of Dominance, Star Compass, Sky Diamond, Charcoal Diamond, or perhaps Black Market.
You're also at around five or six card-draw cards. Could be better, but it's not bad--especially since you have so much card advantage coming from the graveyard. Still, hand refills are always nice and it's nice to draw into answers. Windfall is good for graveyard-y decks. Perhaps a big hand-refiller like Mind Spring, Tidings, or Overflowing Insight? You would often have The City's Blessing for Kumena's Awakening if you can't afford a Phyrexian Arena and/or Rhystic Study. Rain of Revelation has a hint of graveyard synergy, and stuff like Reconnaissance Mission and Keep Watch synergize with your go-wide build.
Sidisi, Undead Vizier is premium in Gisa & Geralf decks. Can't recommend her enough. Great way to get Rooftop Storm out!
1 week ago
I’ll take a look as soon as I can 1empyrean but I’m a bit busy this afternoon, give me a few hours and I’ll have a full read through and leave a comment with any ideas that come into my noggin!
I made a mill deck, just for the hell of it, an update of the new dimir Zendikar precon. I’m writing a primer currently but it’s aim is to control the board through hand disruption and mill. Things likE the old Windfall & Notion Thief combo or sacrificing Mindslicer and overloading Cyclonic Rift
Commander / EDH
1 week ago
Having your own suite of creatures comes in handy too. Buried Alive, Entomb, Phyrexian Delver, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Deceiver Exarch were my bread and butter. I also had Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur cause I'm a horrible person. Consecrated Sphinx and Vilis, Broker of Blood make for excellent value plays if you're not into being a degenerate but still love value. Lastly, wheels come in super handy for this type of deck Wheel of Fortune and Windfall fill the yard up and provide you with a nice reload.
2 weeks ago
At first glance, here are some recommendations I have that have worked out for me and/or have synergy with your build: Purphoros, God of the Forge, Tunneling Geopede, Emiel the Blessed, Dockside Extortionist, Sakashima the Impostor, Spark Double, Finale of Devastation, Finale of Revelation, Pull from Tomorrow, Sphinx's Revelation, Expansion / Explosion, Windfall, Nahiri's Lithoforming, Lithoform Engine, Strionic Resonator, Felidar Retreat, Rites of Flourishing, Worldly Tutor, Enlightened Tutor, Winds of Abandon, Nissa, Vital Force, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Flagstones of Trokair, Oboro, Palace in the Clouds, a few bounce lands. Just some ideas to toss around. Good luck with the deck!
2 weeks ago
Hello Pikobyte. Thanks for the view,
My group generally plays 3-4 player games. I have found that Teferi's Puzzle Box was phenomenal in the games I have played. It generates snakes every round.
Although I only have a few cards that so a classic wheel, there are a lot of cards that make players draw. Temple Bell, Howling Mine, Dictate of Kruphix, Fevered Visions, Rites of Flourishing, Standstill, Arcane Denial, Dream Fracture, Minds Aglow, Molten Psyche, Windfall, Vision Skeins, Words of Wisdom, Jace's Archivist, Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist. Most of these end up generating snakes on other players turns, so that on my turn they do not have sickness.
I do have one Wheel of Fortune, but its currently in another deck. May end up adding a proxy into this one and swapping it back and forth. I do also want to get a Windfall. Those two will definately find a place in this deck, probably replacing Lhurgoyf and Frantic Search
Are there any in particular you would suggest?
2 weeks ago
Narset, Parter of Veils - just trust me and try it. The slow grind is very satisfying. Windfall, Winds of Change, Dark Deal, Reforge the Soul and Wheel of Fortune are snap includes if you have them. Personal Tutor and Mystical Tutor are both awesome for consistency. Oh and Narset's Reversal is an absolute banger if you have a Library of Leng