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Fading 5 (This enchantment enters the battlefield with five fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.)
Remove a fade counter from Parallax Wave: Exile target creature.
When Parallax Wave leaves the battlefield, each player returns to the battlefield all cards he or she owns exiled with Parallax Wave.
Parallax Wave Discussion
4 days ago
In order for any item on the stack to resolve, the players must each pass priority in turn without adding anything to the stack. This applies for every single item in the stack. They don't resolve in one bunch.
So in your scenario, here's what happens, broken down:
You blink Parallax Wave , let's say with something that returns it right away, since you didn't say. Your blink effect is on the stack, and the Parallax is still on the board.
You have priority first (since you're the one who used the blink effect). You pass without adding anything. Your opponent passes without adding anything to the stack either. Parallax Wave leaves the battlefield, triggering its LTB, then returns with 5 fading counters on it.
Triggered abilities go on the stack when a player would next receive priority, and state-based actions are checked first. There are no state-based actions to worry about here, so your Parallax trigger goes on the stack.
In order for the trigger to resolve, everyone must pass priority again without adding things to the stack. We'll say you do so.
Still no state-based actions. Drake trigger goes on the stack, and you target Emissary.
In order for the Drake trigger to resolve, everyone must pass priority without adding things to the stack. However, when your opponent receives priority, they instead choose to activate Emissary of Grudges , targeting the Drake triggered ability and changing its target to another creature you don't control. There are no timing or targeting restrictions, everything is legal. Now Emissary's ability is on the stack on top of the Drake's.
A new round of priority begins with your opponent (since he can hold priority after adding Emissary's ability to the stack). We'll assume that no one else adds anything to the stack as priority passes around the table once.
Emissary's ability resolves, switching Drake's target.
Another round of priority happens, starting with you (active player) since no one directly added a spell/ability and held priority. We'll again assume no one adds anything to the stack.
Drake ability resolves, switching control with the new target, not the Emissary. The stack is now empty.
Your comment about "no priority for him between resolving his own trigger on the stack and mine" doesn't work. First, he has no triggers to worry about. As others have mentioned, choosing an opponent secretly is something that happens as Emissary of Grudges enters the battlefield. It's not a triggered ability (which begin with "when, whenever, or at"). It can't be responded to. It's timing is simultaneous with it entering the battlefield. Your Gilded Drake , on the other hand, has a triggered ability that must go on the stack when a player would receive priority, and then resolve to happen.
Second, currently the only thing that can prevent people from responding to a spell or ability on the stack is the Split Second mechanic, as seen on cards like Sudden Spoiling , which explicitly prevent players from casting spells or activating abilities that aren't mana abilities while it's on the stack (special actions and mana abilities are still allowed). Gilded Drake 's ability doesn't have any effect that would prevent your opponent from activating an ability in response to it.
Third, each item on the stack must resolve individually, and players each receive priority between every item on the stack. You can have a stack four items tall, resolve two of them, add three more, resolve four of them, add another, and so on, as long as players have the means to do so. The stack is not resolved in one large chunk.
Long-winded, but hopefully clears it up for you.
5 days ago
Ok, this is what happens in the game:
The abilities goes to the stack in APNAP order, Gilded Drake First, Emissary next. Resolving the abilities:
"As Emissary of Grudges enters the battlefield, secretly choose an opponent." - He chooses me.
"When Gilded Drake enters the battlefield, exchange control of Gilded Drake and up to one target creature an opponent controls." - I choose his Emissary of Grudges .
Nobody have anything to do now, than the stack beggins to resolve, and this is the problem (and the question):
My oponent wants to use the activated ability of the Emissary of Grudges (Reveal the player you chose: Choose new targets for target spell or ability if it's controlled by the chosen player and if it targets you or a permanent you control.) to change the target of my Gilded Drake for some other creature.
I say that this is not possible, because there is no priority for him betwin resolving his own trigger on the stack and mine. He says that he can.
So, what happens in this case? the trade happens or not?
Below is the rule:
117.5. Each time a player would get priority, the game first performs all applicable state-based actions as a single event (see rule 704, “State-Based Actions”), then repeats this process until no state-based actions are performed. Then triggered abilities are put on the stack (see rule 603, “Handling Triggered Abilities”). These steps repeat in order until no further state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the player who would have received priority does so.
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities they control on the stack in any order they choose. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.
2 weeks ago
With the wincon being Lab Man and flicker as the main tech, i'm surprised you aren't using Aminatou, the Fateshifter as Oathbreaker. Parallax Wave is an awesome piece if you're looking for more flicker/removal/control effects.
3 weeks ago
Parallax Wave has worked really well for me. It loops with Felidar Guardian to go infinite ETBs woth up to 4 other creatures. It also works really well even outside the combo.
3 weeks ago
And I accidentally took out all my creature recursion facepalm, so I need to fix that.
1 month ago
Im not a fan of Rest in Peace . Estrids ultimate lets u damp all the enchantments that were destroyed by your oponnents. Maybe you can use some combos like Starfield of Nyx + Induced Amnesia + Parallax Wave or Solemnity and Decree of Silence
1 month ago
I like about Careful Consideration that it can target myself. I run some cards, that are not very good in particular matchups. For example Damnation ist not good versus control. I like to have ways to get rid of those cards. Being instant is another huge plus for the Careful Consideration over many other similar cards. That said, Wheel and Deal is a cool idea, i try to find room for the card :)
@ God-Eternal Kefnet : I totally agree, but atm i do not run both 6/6 demons and in my opinion being 6/6 is better then being 4/5. Its for me similar to running Gurmag Angler over Tasigur, the Golden Fang . The added bonus is nice to have, but often not relevant.
Golgari Charm is a great out versus many problematic cards. -1/-1 gets rid of an opposing True-Name Nemesis , Sai, Master Thopterist token, Loyal Apprentice and its token, many other red aggro cards, Bitterblossom tokens (or Bitterblossom itself), buying a turn versus Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow , killing a lot of cats in Arahbo, Roar of the World , killing mana dorks, etc...
There are also a lot of enchantments that are very problematic for this deck. For Example: Blood Moon , Hall of Gemstone , Song of the Dryads , Opposition , Treachery , Stasis , Search for Azcanta Flip (getting out of the lock), Parallax Wave , etc...
I think i have never used the third mode :)
Nissa, Vital Force is a good answer to a planeswalker, blocks like a champ, closes games and is incredible fast on her ultimate. The -3 is sometimes also nice, but not as relevant as the other two modes.
1 month ago
Wins condition require the Chain Veil, so thats a no-no. I can protect it with estrid or I can include Curator's Ward . I win by either locking the game or milling Starfield of Nyx Induced Amnesia Parallax Wave .
Maybe going down 1/2 lands will give me the slot i need.
Getting enchantments out from the grave is no a priority...since i have estrid's ultimate.
Thanks for the feedback :)
Parallax Wave occurrence in decks from the last year
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