|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Planechase Anthology (PCA)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2016 (C16)||Uncommon|
|Conspiracy: Take the Crown (CN2)||Uncommon|
|Duel Decks: Heroes vs. Monsters (DDL)||Uncommon|
|Planechase 2012 Edition (PC2)||Uncommon|
|New Phyrexia (NPH)||Uncommon|
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Destroy target permanent. Its controller creates a 3/3 green Beast creature token.
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Beast Within Discussion
1 day ago
Beast Within gives tokens. Once you 'kill everything' SOFW will not win :)
3 days ago
many of your card choices for wincons focus on creature counts like craterhoof or having a lot of cheap spells and nonland mana sources like Paradox Engine, I'd suggest applying an elf ball into the list (the mana dorks, with maybe Priest of Titania and Elvish Archdruid). Also elves can hold big weapons too.
Now atm the deck is quite lacking in interaction, I would suggest running some amount of removal like Beast Within and Naturalize effects(not the actual naturalize, but any of the much better options), without interaction your playgroup can quickly learn they just need to answer your occasional threats as you cast them and they can assume you won't be able to stop their plans, be it a game ending combo or for the most part just hitting you with their big voltron commander.
Now for the most part it might be expensive, but I'd suggest playing the forest finding fetch lands, they give you extra triggers of landfall (at instant speed!), let you shuffle your deck so you can see a better top of deck, and they're a land intended to go to the graveyard for that excavator. Hell for these uses you could probably run Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, and Blighted Woodland as a budget solution with only a small power down over the non budget (running them with the non budget fetches might be good too, get that critial mass). there is also the abundance of Cultivate like spells that can get you going in a similar manner.
6 days ago
Wow you were not kidding when you said you had massive changes for this deck. Most of cards that you added and cut seem to make sense as a whole, but there are a few changes I found surprising. As you said, you wanted to cut cards that only helped you cast creatures, so taking out cards like Urza's Incubator makes sense, but I was a little bit surprised that you took out Selvala, Heart of the Wilds. This card is insanely powerful in creature decks like this one, and gets even better with cards like Paradox Engine. I personally am also not a fan of having most of your removal only dealing with creatures, other than the Cyclonic Rift and Vandalblast, which means you only have one card that deal with enchantments, but it doesn't destroy it, just bounces it to hand. I feel like one of either Swords to Plowshares or Path to Exile could be something like a Beast Within or Anguished Unmaking. The lack of basics was surprising, but if your meta doesn't run anything like Ghost Quarter or Field of Ruin, then it really isn't that big of a deal. I also feel like Homeward Path and Dragonlord Silumgar are kind of a non-bo, and I think that the dragonlord could be swapped for something else for this reason. I do like the addition of Lotus Cobra as it works insanely well with fetch lands, as being able to produce up to three mana off of one land is insane. I also like Boneyard Scourge and Thunderbreak Regent. They are definitely some of the weaker dragons, but having recursion or punishment for your opponents hitting your stuff, as well as being early game beaters is really good. Chromium, the Mutable was an interesting addition that I didn't expect, but flash, uncounterable, built-in protection, AND a 7/7 for six mana is pretty powerful. Overall, I think the new decklist is insanely powerful, just a little lacking in more versatile removal.
6 days ago
Forbidden Orchard is good mana fixing and can help creature creatures for Reality Shift if you lose access to Beast Within. I would also recommend swapping Crux of Fate with Toxic Deluge - it's a much stronger wrath.
Terastodon seems really expensive here - Assassin's Trophy is a lot cheaper for the same kind of removal. Or at least add Eldritch Evolution as you can get it via Tasigur (side note, EE should be in the deck as it can also fetch Nezahal and Sphinx from Tas).
6 days ago
After testing, you all are right. I use Yawgmoth's Will and Memory's Journey to storm off in my graveyard as a wincon, and though I might be able to do the same with Nexus and Pheldagrif. I was mistaken.
Thank you all!
1 week ago
redace10 I actually do like your suggestion for Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar. Originally, I left it out because it was 6cmc, but now that you've presented your argument for him, I do want to try testing him in place of Psychosis Crawler.
Alchemist's Refuge basically just makes anything I would want to cast an extra 3cmc (I do have to tap Refuge for the ability), which I often don't have. Plus, it's another colorless source and I do need to watch how many colorless sources I run in here. I certainly don't want to swap out a dual color fixing land for it.
Sylvan Awakening seems cool but I'd rather run Rude Awakening because of the untap clause and hold a counter for any potential mass removal. I also don't think Brainstorm is the right cut here. It's very useful in the early game when I'm trying to set up my engine, or later in the game if my draw engine gets crippled. If I didn't run as many shuffle effects as I do I would agree with you, but as it sits the hand sculpting power is great here.
I can get a land cycling engine going but most of the time I don't have lands hitting my graveyard often enough to justify Titania, Protector of Argoth. I'd rather run Multani instead.
I'd also run something like Beast Within over Reality shift because I can hit artifacts, enchantments, lands, and planeswalkers with it. I'd personally rather have the versatility over the exile clause. If I did switch out Counterspell for something though, it would be a Mana Drain.
1 week ago
You mention the pre-cons so I'm not sure if you're trying to keep it super close to the original or not - regardless, I have some suggestions.
I personally don't like the storage lands like Saltcrusted Steppe. If you've had success with it, then keep it in by all means. I dislike Opal Palace because you (hopefully) won't be recasting your commander a bunch and if you are...ouch. In a two color deck, Vivid Grove and Vivid Meadow should probably be replaced by lands like Sunpetal Grove, Bountiful Promenade, Scattered Groves, Temple of Plenty, or even just basics.
You've got a little ramp, but a Selesnya Signet would be a great addition. I adore Traverse the Outlands and am glad to see it here.
You absolutely need some more removal. Beast Within, Naturalize, Disenchant, Nature's Claim, many options exist in Green/White and they should definitely show up in this deck. The equipment focus suggests Dispatch. Vivien Reid though more expensive is also fantastic in this regard.
Shamanic Revelation is a card I enjoy in decks that go even a little bit wide, like this one. Huatli, Radiant Champion's emblem (which is fairly easy to get) can provide a lot of card draw over the course of a game.
Leonin Warleader doesn't care about equipment but he does make cats. For more equipment-y cats, consider Kemba, Kha Regent or Balan, Wandering Knight. Though not a cat, Danitha Capashen, Paragon makes your equipment cheaper.
Cards I'd Remove:
Kindred Boon just doesn't do enough in my opinion. You've got equipment that give them indestructible and someone will just Swords or Path the creature anyway. Spirit of the Hearth is expensive for what you get. Unless your meta means you NEED to be hexproof, I'd take it out. Felidar Sovereign is interesting. This isn't really a lifegain deck so I feel like it's not really a good fit. Relic Crush can easily be replaced by previously suggested removal that costs way less mana.
1 week ago
Your curve seems very high; how does this deck perform in the early-mid game? I run a Sidisi deck that's somewhat similar to yours (I focus more on token duplication and slight Zombie tribal instead of ETB's specifically though) and I think the deck might perform much better if you add more removal, self-mill, draw and ramp in the 2-3 slot and cut down on your bombs. That way you'll be able to ensure that the board state doesn't spiral out of control before you can land stuff like Hornet Queen or one of your combos. Here's my list for context. Sort it by CMC and you'll see what I mean.
In terms of specific card recommendations, Hermit Druid is pretty ridiculous in 3 colour decks, especially since you're only running 9 basics; it'll most likely throw a bunch of cards in your graveyard early-game while helping you stabilize your land drops. Pongify and Rapid Hybridization are fantastic removal at any point in the game while being more "fun" than typical removal (I don't run them in Sidisi because 3/3's can block and kill her; instead I run Reality Shift and also Beast Within solely due to how versatile it is).
I'd swap cards like Regal Behemoth and Zendikar Resurgent for more early-game ramp like Wood Elves, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Krosan Restorer and Farseek. Victimize is premium recursion, especially since a lot of your creatures are disposable due to having ETB's.
Other than that, you might see some specific cards in my list that you like the look of. I try to restrict myself by not running any tutors or infinites and I find that no two games with the deck are ever the same, which I really enjoy. Hope that helps.