- 1x Arid Mesa
- 1x Ash Barrens
- 1x Badlands
- 1x Battlefield Forge
- 1x Blood Crypt
- 1x Bloodstained Mire
- 1x Cavern of Souls
- 1x Caves of Koilos
- 1x City of Brass
- 1x Clifftop Retreat
- 1x Command Tower
- 1x Dragonskull Summit
- 1x Fetid Heath
- 1x Flagstones of Trokair
- 1x Flooded Strand
- 1x Godless Shrine
- 1x Graven Cairns
- 1x Hall of the Bandit Lord
- 1x Hanweir Battlements
- 1x Isolated Chapel
- 1x Mana Confluence
- 1x Marsh Flats
- 1x Plains
- 1x Plateau
- 1x Polluted Delta
- 1x Reflecting Pool
- 1x Rugged Prairie
- 1x Sacred Foundry
- 1x Scalding Tarn
- 1x Scrubland
- 1x Sulfurous Springs
- 1x Swamp
- 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- 1x Verdant Catacombs
- 1x Windswept Heath
- 1x Wooded Foothills
- 1x Angel of Despair
- 1x Angel of Serenity
- 1x Angelic Arbiter
- 1x Avacyn, Angel of Hope
- 1x Balefire Dragon
- 1x Baneslayer Angel
- 1x Bloodgift Demon
- 1x Dark Confidant
- 1x Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
- 1x Gisela, the Broken Blade
- 1x Grand Abolisher
- 1x Hellkite Tyrant
- 1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
- 1x Karmic Guide
- 1x Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
- 1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence
- 1x Lord of the Void
- 1x Master of Cruelties
- 1x Mother of Runes
- 1x Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
- 1x Rakdos the Defiler
- 1x Razaketh, the Foulblooded
- 1x Restoration Angel
- 1x Reveillark
- 1x Rune-Scarred Demon
- 1x Serra Ascendant
- 1x Silverblade Paladin
- 1x Steel Hellkite
- 1x Stoneforge Mystic
- 1x Thundermaw Hellkite
- 1x Anguished Unmaking
- 1x Boros Charm
- 1x Enlightened Tutor
- 1x Path to Exile
- 1x Return to Dust
- 1x Tainted Pact
- 1x Teferi's Protection
- 1x Terminate
- 1x Vampiric Tutor
- 1x Boros Signet
- 1x Chromatic Lantern
- 1x Chrome Mox
- 1x Lightning Greaves
- 1x Mana Crypt
- 1x Orzhov Signet
- 1x Sensei's Divining Top
- 1x Sol Ring
- 1x Swiftfoot Boots
- 1x Talisman of Indulgence
- 1x Whip of Erebos
- 1x Angel of Sanctions
- 1x Archangel Avacyn Flip
- 1x Archfiend of Depravity
- 1x Aurelia, the Warleader
- 1x Beseech the Queen
- 1x Bruna, the Fading Light
- 1x Crackling Doom
- 1x Disciple of Bolas
- 1x Faithless Looting
- 1x Kothophed, Soul Hoarder
- 1x Maralen of the Mornsong
- 1x Merciless Eviction
- 1x Mortify
- 1x Mox Diamond
- 1x Platinum Angel
- 1x Resolute Archangel
- 1x Stranglehold
- 1x Utter End
- 1x Vindicate
- 1x Yawgmoth's Will
- 1x Zodiac Dragon
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What do you think about running Crucible of Worlds and maybe the few fetches you are currently not running like Wooded Foothills and Verdant Catacomb? With all the fetch lands you could continue casting them, further thinning your deck and hopefully not drawing lands mid-game. It might also allow you to continue to ramp so if Kaalia is hated out you could keep up the pressure and start hard casting creatures
Is it too slow or do you feel its not worth it without mass land destruction?
January 31, 2017 11:55 p.m.
I've opted for a mid-range of Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Goblin Bombardment, but Crucible of Worlds is a very viable and effective mid-range as well. I like that Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker on his own can copy and has some good synergies Rune-Scarred Demon for example. Goblin Bombardment protects my creatures from being taken control. Crucible of Worlds and the Fetch lands would filter the lands out of the deck and make it concentrated and deadly too.
Currently have 7 Fetch lands. I have 6 Dual lands and 6 Basic lands that can actually be fetched.
I always worry I won't have a land to fetch, not so much with , but and to a lesser degree . Let's say I pull a Polluted Delta and my Badlands, Blood Crypt, Godless Shrine, Scrubland and Swamp have been pulled or drawn. Not that worry some, but when going through red, and knowing i'm pulling for Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker it's possible.
Verdant Catacombs is a better option, because land targets are higher. I've thought about it, have it in my Maybeboard, but usually it's price tag discourages me from making the purchase.
In a Crucible of Worlds build though, I might actually go fewer Fetch lands, since I will be recycling my fetches, I'd want more targets for the fetches and less fetches themselves (unable to filter themselves) to aid in filtering the deck, but keep enough of the primary interaction colors that the mana base runs properly.
I don't think I'd ever really try and cast the creatures, if Kaalia of the Vast is being unsuccesful, I usually look to connecting on an infinite damage combo that's built in, usually using a Whip of Erebos or Animate Dead / Reanimate or Karmic Guide etc, to pull the pieces back from the graveyard.
Crucible of Worlds is a very effective mid-range strategy, if that's a flavor you prefer, it's a good one. I was thinking of moving Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to my Melek, Izzet Paragon deck but haven't made that decision yet.
Appreciate the comment and the cards for consideration.
February 1, 2017 1:44 a.m.
I've bean analysing your deck again and have been wondering why You run Utter End. Isn't 4 CMC a bit to high for what it does ? I know it is instant, but I think that Council's Judgment is way better. Sorcery, yes, but it bypasses hexproof, shroud etc, since it doesn't target the permanent. And costs 1 less. Or is it that is to hard to generate ? But I doubt that.
February 8, 2017 2:07 p.m.
Hi BlackWitch. Indeed Utter End is very expensive at CMC 4. I've tried putting in tutors Shred Memory and more importantly Dimir Machinations to pull the Anguished Unmaking to solve problems like Purphoros, God of the Forge primarily, or Omniscience, or Avacyn, Angel of Hope (not mine lol). In Duel Commander I would prefer Council's Judgment, but in a 4-player pod, and myself playing Kaalia of the Vast, I often find all 3 opponents will strategically team together, even if I'm not the strongest on the board, to protect each other until I'm not a threat. Sorcery is also very bad at responding to anything, I don't tap mana for anything anyway usually, since I'm playing for free with Kaalia of the Vast, so my mana is used to protect me Boros Charm, Path to Exile etc. Instant is King, imagine a Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge pulling a Cruel Ultimatum do I want to remove her before she attacks or wait till my turn, same with a Prossh, Skyraider of Kher with a Purphoros, God of the Forge resolved already, or Godo, Bandit Warlord that pulled a Loxodon Warhammer and triggers off of a Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder. There's just too many possible scenarios that Instant trumps Sorcery.
Council's Judgment is also a great card, my deck is primarily Aggro/Combo, so I don't need that much control either. I found the tutor's were working, but they were costing me an entire turn (remember i'm aggro!) using the sorcery speed transmute. They were really awesome for modularity pulling a Goblin Bombardment for example, but wasn't worth the speed. I found with Transmute tutors I was running 1/2 turn slower. I'm really trying to find a way to be 1/2 turn faster right now! That's what I need. So Utter End, I dunno, it's clunky at CMC 4, but Instant + Exile makes it a functional card, even at an ugly cost. It's no Anguished Unmaking, If I could have two of those instead I would, but it's more valuable to me than the Sorcery + Opponent Council voting is in my build anyway.
February 8, 2017 2:40 p.m.
I like the way You explain things. I might not be newbie in MTG, but compared to others, I'm still a beginner. So thanks for your replies. I appreciate it. Surely I've been underestimating the power of instant.
Yeah, speed is the same problem in my Kaalia of the Vast too. But I've decided to have more control, over speed. I think Kaalia of the Vast is very specific aggro commander. With all the big fatties and protecting Kaalia of the Vast from hate, it is really hard to be typical aggro. Defense Grid helps me a lot with all the hate I get (especially from ). So I steel keep it, even though I have 9 instants.
February 8, 2017 3:09 p.m.
March 9, 2017 7:41 p.m.
March 9, 2017 8:42 p.m.
i may be bias cus dragons are my thing. but doesnt seem to have enough dragons/demons/angels
March 10, 2017 1:26 a.m.
Thanks for the suggestions. Your deck is definitely a creature centric build.
I understand the desire to beat people down and burn their corpses in the fire of a thousand dragons, but I need to have an alternative win condition built into the deck, which eats up about 6 card slots, just incase doing creature damage isn't working out.
March 10, 2017 12:20 p.m.
Hey McKz thanks for the suggestion.
Agreed the meta on this deck is 29 creatures, I actually have nearly the standard compliment of creatures if you ignore my Dark Confidant (Card Advantage), Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker (Instead of Crucible of Worlds/Armageddon), Maralen of the Mornsong (Synergy/Combo), Silverblade Paladin (Trying him out to get 1/2 or 1 turn faster, his proc rate is high), and Stoneforge Mystic (Tutor). 33 - 5 = 28, 1 below the meta. It would be tough to go any lower, on occasion, but not often I still find I have a resolved attacking Kaalia of the Vast and nothing to drop. There is an argument to be made to remove the Stoneforge Mystic or Silverblade Paladin.
The ultimate reason why I've cut the Orzhov Signet is that I'm not casting the angels/dragons/demons ever, and usually my mana is untapped. I'm trying to get Kaalia of the Vast swinging turn 3 or 4 at the latest, and the Orzhov Signet requiring a CMC 3 to net 2 (2 cast, 1 activate) has burnt me so many times. I do have the Talisman of Indulgence in there CMC 2 to net 1 which allows me to continue playing. Too many times those signet have not allowed me to play a Sensei's Divining Top or Serra Ascendant that I gave up on them. I'd love to see another talisman in here, but there are none others in my colors. I have considered Orzhov Signet (primary colors) for another chance at the quicker ramp, but after turn 4 any mana rock is really a dead draw for me, especially one that requires CMC 3 to utilize. It's almost the same theory as lands that enter the battlefield tapped, which I avoid.
Mana Vault is a probable solution, but I dislike that you have to commit the during upkeep. if it was I'd have it in there.
March 10, 2017 12:47 p.m.
You've identified the continual struggle I've found with Kaalia of the Vast, how many, and which board removals are the correct choice. I've floundered between Austere Command (Modular), Merciless Eviction (Exile), and Akroma's Vengeance (Cycling).
Here's the theory behind Wrath of God and Damnation. On turn 4 or 5 or 6, I want to have a connected Kaalia of the Vast + Master of Cruelties, or a Kaalia of the Vast + Avacyn, Angel of Hope or a limited few others like Iona, Shield of Emeria/Hellkite Tyrant, the situational guys. To do that I need to remove blockers on Turn 3 or 4 maximum, that's tough to do with a Merciless Eviction, but not that hard to do with a Sol Ring and a Wrath of God. It's just a little too slow, it's simply just WHEN the spell resolves vs. the actual power of the spell itself. HOWEVER, in a few games, in which I did have Merciless Eviction in there still, it was the only card in the entire deck that could save my game, funny enough one game I drew into it and recovered. Merciless Eviction is very powerful, but a little slow.
I'm really trying to find an efficient way to tutor for Anguished Unmaking or Utter End which USUALLY can solve the problem. Utter End is a little borderline too because of it's CMC 4. Grim Tutor is on my radar. Gamble I keep feeling like maybe I should be running this, especially with Reanimate and Animate Dead at my disposal. Shred Memory, but that can't pull Anguished Unmaking or Utter End, and Dimir Machinations can, but without a Necropotence to pull its not as valuable. Gamble scares me because if it put's my Lightning Greaves into the graveyard that's a huge setback.
There's a good possibility that Merciless Eviction will find it's way back in here. Great suggestion.
March 10, 2017 1:36 p.m.
Looking forward towards Amonkhet, would Cartouche of Zeal be worth a spot here?
April 9, 2017 12:41 a.m.
Furthermore, what are your thoughts on Amonkhet's Angel of Sanctions?
April 9, 2017 12:46 a.m.
Hi UR2L8. Thanks for the comments.
Angel of Sanctions is a respectable angel for Kaalia of the Vast. I think he may be able to take over a spot in the deck. CMC5 for a 3/4 is a bit heavy, but he can be cast from the hand at that cost, or with Kaalia of the Vast. He's not a threat at 3/4, but he is somewhat controlling with the Exile ETB. With built-in recursion it makes him viable. I would give him a playtest, see how he does.
I won't be trying a Cartouche of Zeal. It's an Aura, so it dies with the creature (Single use). It gives haste which is good, but I would rather draw a card with Crimson Wisps then prevent a creature from blocking once with Cartouche of Zeal. After the first turn haste does nothing, so don't see any need for this card to be an Enchantment as well, would be better served as an Instant. If you need additional haste Anger or perhaps Hammer of Purphoros/Fervor might be a better way to go.
April 10, 2017 12:03 p.m.
Hi Spirits, love the deck!
Is there any room for Yosei, the Morning Star in this?
Thoughts on adding Cabal Coffers?
Also, do you have any recommendations for cheaper alternatives for the dual lands?
April 13, 2017 12:47 p.m.
The issue I find with Yosei, the Morning Star, is that he has to die, lots of people exile, also, he has to die to trigger which I feel is too slow for Aggro (I'm Aggro/Combo). Also CMC6 for a 5/5 isn't that much of a Threat either, with no static abilities, so he may actually be the very last to die. He also only targets one player, if it was opponents skip, it would be much more effective, basically buys a turn. By just hitting a single player in a 4-pod EDH (Duel Commander would be a different eval), isn't going to be that effective. For his size, CMC, and speed he won't make this deck.
Cabal Coffers is an amazing card, it's a nice way to spend $20 on a super swamp. In my build, I only have 6 Swamp, so it's generally not netting me much, since it's 2 to activate and taps itself so CMC3. Min need 2 of 6 33% of my swamps to net mana. Need 50% to net . It has awesome synergy with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, but at 1 of 99 1% chance (can't fetch it), i'm not going to bank on a random draw into it.
Thanks for the suggestions, hopefully my reasoning makes sense!
April 13, 2017 1:07 p.m.
Figured you had good reasons for not including them. Thanks for the descriptive breakdowns!
April 13, 2017 1:12 p.m.
Griselbrand. Gris. El. Brand. Why aren't you running him? Refill your hand all day, every day. Swing in for 7 damage and 7 life. Bring him right in with Kaalia! I can't think of any reason why a sane person wouldn't want this in a Kaalia of the Vast deck.
April 16, 2017 7:45 p.m.
@jaiaisaiah - Probably because Griselbrand is banned in Commander. This list is the normal ban list, not duel commander
@Spirits What do you think of Rakdos, Lord of Riots? If he gets in for free he might let you hard cast stuff at cheap discount. I just threw him in my list so I haven't tested him out yet, thought it was an interesting choice
April 16, 2017 8:49 p.m.
He is awesome though.
I don't mind Rakdos, Lord of Riots, he's a respectable 6/6 Trample, however, in playtesting, I've found he doesn't work as expected, and becomes somewhat situational.
I found that if I was able to Kaalia of the Vast resolve him, I would have rather resolved another more controlling A/D/D in his place, and clearly Kaalia of the Vast isn't being controlled. If I'm not able to cheat him in, I've found that he just sits in my hand anyway, even though he's CMC 4, it can be deceiving. Also, my overall plan isn't to cast creatures from my hand, something like Quicksilver Amulet can do that without restriction if needed. Once he is out, he only helps me commit more to my board position, which, in Kaalia of the Vast it can become far too easy to over commit in many scenarios. If things are going well and he's attacking and dealing damage, I probably don't need to cast another creature, or in any case, Kaalia of the Vast is probably still able to play them anyway.
I really do like Rakdos, Lord of Riots, I played him for about 1 year. I just never found his specific static abilities were strong enough to make the final cut in the deck. He is quite a reasonable, wouldn't think anyone crazy for running a Rakdos, Lord of Riots, 6/6 Flying Trample is amazing, and in certain situations you may find yourself, he will be a powerful ally.
April 17, 2017 12:08 a.m.
Seize the Day might be fun with this used on Kaalia of the Vast when she comes out this bringing another dragon demon or angel in same turn. It even has flashback so if countered you have another shot at it.
May 21, 2017 1:53 a.m.
Thanks for the kind comment cmbr.
Thanks for the suggestion SolomonsEfreet. The standard combat phase trick in Kaalia of the Vast is Hellkite Charger or Aggravated Assault + Sword of Feast and Famine to make the Infinite Combat Phases. All the cards are good on their own as well, Sword of Feast and Famine gives nice protection to a Kaalia of the Vast. Seize the Day is good because it is fairly low CMC and the flashback is even cheaper, it's tough to find 3 A/D/D in hand to really utilize it's power, where as the infinite attack phases, assuming can't be interrupted allows a potential win.
May 24, 2017 11:50 a.m.
June 29, 2017 3:20 p.m.
I'm looking to build a budget multiplayer version of this deck. Which cards are MUST HAVE's, and what might be some cheap ($$$) alternatives to some of the more expensive cards included in your list?
July 24, 2017 9:41 a.m.
Hi Herbysmoke, sorry missed your message there.
1) Far too dangerous, with Worldgorger Dragon ETB on the Stack, the Worldgorger Dragon is removed from play, either a targeted removal like a Swords to Plowshares, Terminate, or a Cyclonic Rift, basically anything that triggers his LTB onto the stack before the ETB resolves. In this case, you return nothing first, then exile everything.
2) Worldgorger Dragon on his own doesn't do anything. He needs a Piranha Marsh or something with an ETB Damage triggered ability, or he needs something to do with the Infinite Mana, like an Aurelia's Fury. You also probably want to stack a Necromancy and maybe a Dance of the Dead with him as well. My guess is 5 cards to make Worldgorger Dragon a viable option. Significantly changes the deck, would lose some of my Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker pieces.
3) On his own, he's not really that viable. As a combo, he's great, without the combo pieces in place, he's not that great. That's what finally led to the demise of Maralen of the Mornsong in the deck too, hate cards that are a dead draw on their own without the necessary combo pieces in place yet.
He's a viable win con, and if you have the Unburial build in for him, you can gear your deck around the Animate Dead/Necromancy type build, and be very effective. Chose not to go that direction with my take on Kaalia of the Vast
July 24, 2017 12:47 p.m.
Yes!! There are many ways to cut costs in Kaalia of the Vast, you can easily cut $600 to $650 in lands alone. To keep the consistency you may need to trade fetching/dual lands in for some enters tapped scry lands, but even if you lose 1-3 turns of speed, it is still viable. Ash Barrens.
There is a great article on some to the creatures, Kaalia of the Vast - The Benchwarmers. I found it quite a fun article when I read it, and the big Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Rune-Scarred Demon with big red "CUT" printed on them is pretty funny. There are many great A/D/D that have low financial value that are quite excellent!
Could go in a dragon direction with Oros, the Avenger or protection in Deathless Angel. Admonition Angel can be superstar in the right build, Archangel Avacyn Flip is down in price, Archfiend of Depravity is a barg-oon, Bruna, the Fading Light can give you a nice Brisela, Voice of Nightmares. Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is awesome, Maralen of the Mornsong. Reya Dawnbringer can also be quite powerful.
Really creature wise your only losing Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Balefire Dragon that are over $10. Some of the other guys like Dark Confidant and Serra Ascendant or Stoneforge Mystic are really just fluff and can easily be changed out.
Hope some ideas here or in the article.
July 24, 2017 1:02 p.m.
So How do we feel about Bloodsworn Steward?I have been trying, proxied for now since he isn't out yet, but so far a slight bit above 60% of the time he is relevant. My deck is bent more towards B, I was wondering how a fellow Kaalia player, especially playing more R bent feels a out him?
I am not a fan of 4 CMC in the deck due to its nature to compete with casting Kaalia, However it adds a 2 needed stats to Kaalia. Haste and Anthem.
And if you do feel it's decent what would you remove.I dropped Grim Tutor for now.
August 18, 2017 8:13 p.m.
Bloodsworn Steward as a CMC4 with (only 20% of deck is ) in it's cost for a 4/4 Flying, NON-A/D/D creature doesn't feel right. Feels too slow, can't be cheated in with Kaalia of the Vast trigger ability, and really only benefits Kaalia of the Vast. Especially replacing Grim Tutor, I would rather Grim Tutor + Lightning Greaves for CMC5 instead. The Grim Tutor could also pull a combo piece if Dragon Tempest or Lightning Greaves are in play. I wouldn't run this guy.
August 27, 2017 8:04 p.m.
He is right up there with Angel of Deliverance, almost good but not quite enough.
I also cut him as well. I just wanted to see if the had any use in R bent decks, so I could pass along the knowledge.I usually cut Grim Tutor to test cards, To see if I would ever want to tutor for this card. If so I start working on a slot for it.
August 28, 2017 12:10 p.m.
Agreed Angel of Deliverance just doesn't quite make the cut. CMC8 for 6/6 is really aggressive and such a specific condition to exile 1 creature (post combat damage), isn't that spectacular.
August 29, 2017 2:56 p.m.
Hi spirit, my first EDH deck is Kaalia from the pre-con and I'm really interested in getting Kik-Jiki in here after checking your deck out. I don't really have recommendations, just wanted to give this deck some love.
If you don't mind checking out my deck (Kaalia's Flying Circus), I was wondering how to incorporate Kiki-Jiki without throwing the entire deck off-balance. I can think of a few cards I'm already planning to cut (Reya, Skyblinder Staff, etc.) but I'm working on a budget so I have to get creative with Tutor options (like Sunforger).
Thanks again for linking the deck!
September 6, 2017 12:25 p.m.
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