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Undergrowth — Search your library for a black card with converted mana cost less than or equal to the number of creature cards in your graveyard, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
Mausoleum Secrets Discussion
2 days ago
Thanks for the quick response. I feel better about the changes I made. Cavern of Souls has been on my mind. The ability to grab a land early with Imperial Seal is yet another reason I like it over Mausoleum Secrets .
2 days ago
Frank_Glascock I think Control_Train has a very very nice framework for us to build on. I like the whole toolbox aspect of the deck and always trying to find a solution to what we encounter.
Destructor Dragon I've cut today as well and put Massacre Wurm in a 6 for a 6 drop. Sounds about right. If I need an effect like the Dragon I'll probably go for Woodfall Primus because it destroys something on entering the battlefield.
The Silhana Wayfinder I've cut 2 weeks ago, super mediocre. And I run the same creatures as you do: Sheoldred, Kokusho and Mindslicer. All very very good creatures in my opinion.
Sylvan Wayfinder I ran from the start, protecting meren at the cost of one land is super fine in my opinion :)
The list of instants and sorceries and enchantments what you swapped I kinda understand. Even tho I do see the value of Casualties of War and Mausoleum Secrets but If I had a imperial seal I would probably run it over Mausoleum as well :)
I agree with you with dismember being the weakest spotremoval, that's why I've cut it as well. I might try out the Sylvan Library again as well. I got it in my binder.
Sol Ring I havent really missed and Lightning Greaves I havent seen yet since I've added it too the deck. I think it will do it's work like it normally does.
I understand the prowling serpopard :) I have the same, more and more people are playing control in our meta, so I might add him too the deck again. Or maybe even better, add a Cavern of Souls just so meren can't be countered. This way I dont have to use another spot in my deck. And meren can get everything that's being countered back from the grave I guess...
2 days ago
Ripwater, thanks for the reply. I always look forward with much anticipation to your input.
Everytime I try to move away from Control_Train's list I end up putting back in his card's that I cut.
Silhana Wayfinder is subpar. We have discussed my view that Destructor Dragon is overcosted. I agree with your theory that Massacre Girl would threaten Meren so I am hesitant to play her. I like having Kukusho and Sheoldred to help close out games. Am I wrong that Control_Train's list lacks any closers?
He has played Mindslicer in the past. The theory behind this card's inclusion is solid. We should be able to play top deck much better than our opponents by utilizing the graveyard. It is a nice inclusion for our Birthing Pod chain. How has it performed for you?
Is Sylvan Safekeeper a recent addition? I thought for sure you were not playing this card as of last week.
Pattern of Rebirth , Dismember , Mausoleum Secrets , Casualties of War , and Final Parting were replaced by Birthing Pod , Sylvan Library , Survival of the Fittest a Imperial Seal and Guardian Project in my list.
I only have reservations concerning Casulties of War. The three tutors (or tutor engines) I am playing have proven to be superior to his across all formats. Sylvan Library is a green staple, and is an extremely strong early turn play. You made a convincing argument in defense of Guardian Project. Dismember seems like the weakest of the removal spells.
I cut Sol Ring but it was like pulling teeth and may make way back into the deck. I tutor for Sylvan Safekeeper frequently and the deck tutors creatures easier than artifacts. Still, Lightning Greaves should be in my list. Safekeeper is the superior card in my opinion but this deck has to have Meren on board. Has Lightning Greaves been effective for you?
As a side note, it does not seem Control_Train reinserts cards he cuts. I wish I could say the same. I put Prowling Serpopard back into the deck. Chalk it up to an irrational fear of blue countermagic. No attempts at justification will be made for its inclusion.
2 days ago
Frank_Glascock. Getting the tribe elder means I'm getting a recurrable sac piece to my hand that ramps my board state. Another option would be the Spore Frog. But it depends a bit what you are playing against.
Yeah Necrotic Ooze I changed my mind about. I forgot it is a backup sac outlet among other stuff. So he is back in for now. I'm still in the process of testing control_trains list, and I'm just not convinced about all the picks he made.
Only play Birthing Pod if your curve with creatures is good enough. I checked mine last time and it was quite alright. Worldly tutor I don't think you need, but you can run it if you prefer another tutor I guess. But don't underestimate a well placed Victimize. It's both an incredible reanimate card and a sac outlet.
Again with the Imperial Seal ;-) Okay for the last time, It is an awesome card and if you really want a spot for it you can basically take any tutor out. I have a lot of expensive cards (Cradle etc) unfortunately this one I don't own. Thats why it's not in the deck. Although Mausoleum Secrets is a pretty okay tutor as well. Instant speed and goes straight to your hand.
And massacre wurm I'm gonna look at today, all 3 of the cards are amazing destroy effects I'm quite reluctant to cut + I'm gonna put him in for a creature.
About the birthing pod, still trying it out. He really performed last week. Often I stick around saccing a 3 mana creature to go to 4 mana. It's not about getting to 7 as fast as possible, the deck is all about getting what is needed in the situation we are in.
4 days ago
I find it very interesting that your first tutor is for Sakura-Tribe Elder . I have only played a couple of games with the deck. My first tutor is usually Spore Frog or Sylvan Safekeeper . It would seem your opponents would target Meren. How do you keep her on the board? Is your reasoning that you use Sakura-Tribe Elder to ramp so that you can just recast her?
Has your thoughts on Necrotic Ooze changed? You posted on May 15 on Control_Train's thread, "The other one that I've cut is Necrotic Ooze again, rarely pulled it's weight and often he turned into a sakura tribe elder... Not what I want to do for 4 mana."
I have tried to not add cards that either you or Control_Train are not playing. The logic being why not utilized two players who have games upon games to tune the deck. Keeping that in mind would you think it would be prudent to cut Pitiless Plunderer for Birthing Pod , and Victimize for Worldly Tutor ?
Now, having said that, I now am going to ask your opinion on cutting Mausoleum Secrets for Imperial Seal and Pernicious Deed , Maelstrom Pulse or Casualties of War for Massacre Wurm . The first cut I do not envision being controversial. Imperial Seal is a top deck, sorcery speed unconditional tutor. Mausoleum Secrets is instant speed but requires creatures in the graveyard and only gets a black card.
The second cut may get down voted by you. The deck already plays a top of spot removal and sweepers. Massacre Wurm is already on your radar and it makes another great etb effect at 6 mana for Birthing Pod .
Speaking of Birthing Pod, you only have one good etb creature at five mana in Sidisi, Undead Vizier .
3 weeks ago
Looks fine overall. With that in mind, I'd cut Ebony Charm for Faerie Macabre or Shred Memory (the former is more unexpected, and the latter has alternate utility). I'll be honest that I'm not a huge fan of Mausoleum Secrets here, since it's very situational in what it can grab (and under most circumstances it's not worth trying to tutor for Slaughter Pact in my experience). I'd also try Utopia Sprawl since you'll almost always have a Forest to put it on.
The biggest two improvements I'd make here are first to fix your mana rocks (this deck really NEEDS a Mana Crypt and a Mox Diamond to function correctly). Second, I'd try to remove all of your lands that come in tapped (apart from Dakmor Salvage obv), they're really not worth it for a cEDH deck.
3 weeks ago
The list looks fine for the most part. I’d consider swapping Skirge Familiar for Olivia's Dragoon or if you want a non creature alternative Chain of Smog can work. I find the familiar is typically a bit too expensive and the mana he generates is typically unnecessary when we can loop petals/rituals. I’d also consider swapping Devoted Druid or Lotus Cobra for Wall of Roots due to it being able to turn infinite black into infinite green with Necromancy and Culling the Weak .
Here’s a link to the gitrog discord they should be able to give more advice. https://discord.gg/yegyWs
3 weeks ago
I played a total of four games this weekend. I wanted to try using Leonin Relic-Warder , So I intentionally played Two games trying to win with it. well, Both games...I was able to win on T4 using Leonin Relic-Warder . Which at first I thought was going to take awhile to pull off, having to tutor for everything but I found it to be quite simple.
Another game, which was a pod of 5, I won on T6 using the good ol' Buried Alive | Karmic Guide + Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Restoration Angel . I could have actually won on T5 but I misplayed. So what I did was, having 3 Mana left open, I Grim Tutor on T5, grabbing Reanimate , setting me up for the win on T6, when I should have played Mausoleum Secrets (which I also had in hand) to tutor for Reanimate and with the remaining I could have played Reanimate that same turn. Which goes to show, I still need a lot more play time, So these simple mistakes don't happen.
The last game was 1V1. I could have won on T5 with Kaalia of the Vast + Master of Cruelties but I didn't end up playing it because, well, I felt a little bad. And I ended up losing on T7 that game But realistically, we could just say I won if I hadn't shown mercy.
Sir_Flash Lifegaining is working but its hard to maintain to utilize Hatred . The reason being is i'm almost instantly the target. It's hard holding onto life when i'm up against 3 or even 4 other players and they're all pinging/attacking me each turn. The lifegain is there but it never maintains along with my tutoring, just makes it harder for the use of Hatred . But I have yet to die by life total becoming 0. I'm either knocked out by infect or by someone else going infinite before I do.
And the thing with Gamble , every time I play it, I cross my fingers and I clench my jaw and think to myself "I can win if it plays in my favor" but then it's like it can set me back a bit if it doesn't. I may have played this deck a total of 25 times so far and used Gamble about 8 of those times and it's played in my favor each time except for once (during a tournament of all games, go figure)
Although Sneak Attack is great. I don't see it fitting the tempo of this build. I could be wrong, Spirits would have a better assessment about this than I would but so far from playing, the deck would have to alter a bit to accommodate Sneak Attack which would take on a slightly different build. I have yet to win a game with creatures attacking, the only thing I could see it working with is throwing out Rune-Scarred Demon or Doom Whisperer for some quick tutoring and possibly even Demonlord Belzenlok or Razaketh, the Foulblooded . But with a to cast and an additional to play, it gets me thinking of just throwing in Diabolic Tutor as an additional tutor source. But I could certainly be wrong and i'd be more than happy to receive some clarification as i'm still fairly new and getting a hang of this.
Mausoleum Secrets occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%