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|Eternal Masters (EMA)||Rare|
|From the Vault: Exiled (V09)||Mythic Rare|
|Champions of Kamigawa (CHK)||Uncommon|
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Sensei's Divining Top
: Look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
: Draw a card, then put Sensei's Divining Top on top of its owner's library.
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Sensei's Divining Top Discussion
12 hours ago
TheBloopKing - I went over Beatdown in the win-cons!
starsky - Yo thanks man! I think every deck with the right combination of colors, ramp, card draw, interaction, and win-conditions can win against any other deck, or at least compete!
TheBloopKing - Plenty of the cards you mentioned are not competitive. The idea behind card draw isn't I want cards in my hand, it is I want answers to the board, or a way to win (obviously it depends on the situation and deck's strategy, but that is besides the point). If I go over many of the mentioned card Mentor of the Meek/Alms Collector work in many a stax builds, but Wall of Omens, Aura Blast, and PureSteel Paladin are much too weak to see play, white would rather a Spirit of the Labyrinth than them.
Harmonize is too slow, Explore isn't powerful enough outside of Tatyova, Benthic Druid, Soul's Majesty leads to blowouts where you have a suited up 16/16 commander or whatever, and it gets Swords to Plowsharesed and you lose the creature and the 5 mana and card on Soul's Majesty, Primordial Sage/Soul of the Harvest effects are good in Animar, Soul of Elements, but that's about it.
Red should generally only use tutors like Gamble, Imperial Recruiter, and wheels like Wheel of Fortune or Reforge the Soul. Bad cantrips like Expedite aren't powerful outside of a Zada, Hedron Grinder deck or something, most of those draw/discard effects are sub-par anyway. Scroll Rack, Sensei's Divining Top and other good colorless options are all they need.
Black has Ad Nauseam and every tutor they need to find it. Necropotence, Night's Whisper, and call it a day. Phyrexian Arena is pretty bad in comparison to Dark Confidant, and Underworld Connections is going to get you Strip Mined, and is just generally worse than the arena. Damnable Pact just isn't good, if you have enough mana to make it better than Ad Nauseam, run Torment of Hailfire and win the game.
Your multicolored options are pretty bad, if you are in abzan use black draw, blue draw is insane as is and so never needs Edric, Spymaster of Trest, as it gives opponents card draw, which is almost the worst thing to do. Spiteful Visions and Fevered Visions are for Nekusar, the Mindrazer and no one else, it tosses out cards like Oprah, and will stop you from winning any game you are trying to win.
Staff of Nin and Mind's Eye are generally too slow, even for colorless decks, and Howling Mine and Horn of Greed fall into the Oprah level of bad cards. They will kill you faster than anything else, unless you are Tatyova, Benthic Druid in which case I could argue for Howling Mine.
Outside of Blue or Black, use tutors in your color, Sensei's Divining Top, and Scroll Rack, tutors are the best way not to need card draw, but trying to run sub-par replacements for card draw never is the answer, it just makes your deck slow and clunky. Trust me, I have tried and failed.
1 day ago
Thanks! Those are all good lands, but right now I'm aiming for Godless Shrine, Breeding Pool, Bloodstained Mire, Wooded Foothills, and the rest of the check lands. I had the fetches and shocks for a bit and had very few mana troubles, but I had to trade them to get Legacy cards.
2 days ago
I need to give this a +1, <3 all control, and esper is no different!
2 days ago
+1 for Hazezon Tamar any day!
3 days ago
I'm on mobile as well so it's all good and thank you for the comment. Scroll Rack, Staff of Domination and Grafdigger's Cage will be going into the deck. Counterbalance is in the list as well as Sensei's Divining Top for the top lock. I want to add more card draw but I'm not sure what to add other than Rhystic Study
3 days ago
hey PrepaidLenin cool deck!
i understand your perspective tuning a deck on a no-richman level for metas where everyone is on that same page. i think though your deck can have some good upgrades without suggesting the typical cedh money powerstaples.
this will be in no particular order about importance.
it wont be uncommon for you to fetch RIP at any stage of the game and thus has antisynergy with crucible. i know geddon but you probably want zur anyway before geddon and this would be winmore. having it late to striplock one player is not as good as Mana Vortex. basically i think often the ups dont outwheight the tempo loss i generates when played early. and your deck does not have all the best mana so you should better make some better tempo elsewhere. if you want to abuse your graveyard i think even Dig Through Time is way better in this deck. if that is not what you desire Dark Ritual can be that unexpected extra mana especially when not having the best manarocks. its good for necro its good after necro its good with early rocks or powers out you threat and geddon the same turn to foolowup somene elses boeard sweeper. flexibility in mana really is important for control decks. they dont always need all the mana but sometimes they can profit from that little bit extra mana to turn a corner.
the dynamo also costs alot of mana and thus also is only good if you can make a followup play. but your deck only has so many artifacts where most of them are also mana (that would be double ramp). Gilded Lotus is a much better card in your deck as you can nearly play any card you want from its mana. be that counter removal draw whatever it works. if you really want ramp in this slot you might test Everflowing Chalice as its flexible in that it can ramp zur or get bigger. otherwise you might test Aven Mindcensor. even though he cant live through your wraths he is very good. if you dont like that i recommend Yahenni's Expertise in this slot as it can act as a reverse dynamo in that you get your spell and a followup ramp or even something else.
Coalition Relic is the better tempo player than worn powerstone. you can use its mana for interaction or tutors if needed and if not you have your +2 mana next turn anyway. being colored makes up for not having +2 every turn as in control having the option when to use it makes it good.
Vindicate is a card i also struggled to let go. but its sorcery speed. for me this could never outmatch the upside of destroing a land compared to Anguished Unmaking. so in a control deck like this i could make much more use out of Utter End. i stil play the T-fighter but in more tempo oriented aggressive decks. this could be your Cursed Totem slot too.
Mind Twist is a meta thing. if it works for you thats good but i often found Tasigur's Cruelty better in spellheavy decks. you should try it though i dont know what the better here as the twist can also be very good in multiplayer.
there are some lands that can etb tapped under certain circumstances. there are those new battlebond multiplayer lands. i guess BU and UW should be upgrades.
the ravnica bouncelands are bad. vulnerable and only grand cardadvantage. it says yes to geddon but no to zur as you cannot play them turn 1 and turn 2 they dont help casting a manarock. these yould be replaced by Terramorphic Expanse and that other one thats the same rulestext. they come in tapped too so its justifiable. both help brainstorm and top.
we know this type of deck wants zur. but Wasteland often is overrated especially if you keep vindicate along geddon that you play anyway. so Hall of the Bandit Lord is very good. atleast if you can manage to cut more tapped lands for colored etb untapped lands. i play Tarnished Citadel in control zur as i do Forbidden Orchard too. going for your own value rather than setting you and one opponent back is often the better play. thus i think one should always weight which lands deserve the colorless slots as there should not be too many. Crystal Vein for example can be that crucial one extra mana.
basically when not having the best mana in hand going for more tempo plays can often be the last bit to get there more consistent. smothing the deck makes it not draw into awkward situations where you stil do something and mabe you dont notice but you slowly fall behind. the more flexible the mana the better the control deck can navigate to make the right plays at the right times imo.
3 days ago
Hey, I will show you some lists that are considered competitive, like:
The above lists are all tier 1 lists, made by incredibly talented deckbuilders.
If you want this list to truely stand, up the ramp and card draw.
Examples of good ramp on no budget are like the following:
These cards can give incredible speed to a deck, and I am sure you can understand why. The below cards are still competitive, plenty run in addition to the above cards:
Onto card draw, with out a budget:
The above a powerful card draw, you can get a gold-bordered Scroll Rack copy for a lot cheaper. Below similarly will be budget varients, that still see competitive play:
6 days ago
Kess, Dissident Mage? It seems like a good way to "keep the wheels running". Could potentially replace Charmbreaker Devils. Paradox Engine and Sensei's Divining Top might also be worth considering. Words of Wind might also be to your liking. It can be used to control multiple players at a time once you have a good amount of mana a draw engines in play.