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Equipped creature can't be blocked and has shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equip *(: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
Whispersilk Cloak Discussion
12 hours ago
I think you'd want to focus on proliferate and putting +1/+1 counters on your creatures.
I think that you have a larger number of enchantments then you need. Here are my suggestions to sharpen this area of your deck. Web of Inertia should be replaced with Inexorable Tide . Sheltered Aerie can be replaced with Hardened Scales . This next swab can be a large chunk of money but is a significant upgrade. Asceticism is an upgrade for Shielding Plax . It is up to you but I would cut Beastmaster Ascension and Bred for the Hunt . You can replace them with value creatures that allow you to utilize your commander.
For Sorcery, I am going to again focus on proliferate. Miming Slime creates a creature who can be powerful but not of value, instead I would put in Tezzeret's Gambit . Verdant Confluence is a good card but beings with it a high mana cost. Triumph of the Hordes is cheaper, buffs all your creatures, and threatens your opponents with an infect trample attack. I would replace Confluence with the Triumph of the Hordes card. Cultivate could be more versatile and cheaper then Journey of Discovery .
Now instants. Druid's Deliverance focuses on populate. This ability is for doubling tokens and not counters. Krosan Grip is more value as you get to remove a target artifact or enchantment. Your other cards are good choices but preventing combat damage just slows you down. I would remove Respite and Root Snare . You can use this spot to add 2 more creatures that will buff your experience counters.
Lands look great! Some suggestions would be Yavimaya Coast , Temple of Mystery , Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse , Botanical Sanctum , and Hinterland Harbor . Sand Silos can slow you down somewhat and Darksteel Citadel only produces colorless mana. It is up to you on how you want to combine these suggestions. My last note is that your land count should be between 37 and 39 to make sure you can constantly play mana and don't get stuck.
Creatures are the bread and butter of your deck. You need them for those experience counters, so let's start putting in some value creatures that benefit you. Wall of Mist is a defender that will never attack, instead lets try to put in Chasm Skulker . Skulker can get very scary and when he is removed, you have an army of tokens. Cultivator of Blades can help to power up your creatures on an attack, triggers an experience counter, and is cheaper in mana then Oran-Rief Hydra . Druid of the Cowl can be upgraded with Gyre Sage . Sakura-Tribe Scout and Wayward Swordtooth allow you to play additional lands but this doesn't benefit your gameplan. Herald of Secret Streams and Champion of Lambholt are good value cards to replace them. Gladehart Cavalry is very expensive mana wise. Vorel of the Hull Clade is a great replacement that doubles your counters. Overgrown Armasaur should be replaced with Managorger Hydra .
1 day ago
3 days ago
@Zaane2 Most games that I've lost with Neheb have been because 1. Neheb gets single-target removed as I cast my mana-generation/ritual spell, which is why I run Darksteel Plate , Whispersilk Cloak , etc., but more often 2. I dump all my mana into an X=40 Jaya's Immolating Inferno , Comet Storm , or Fall of the Titans , and someone counters it. That seems to be the #1 problem facing all mono-red decks in the format, especially one whose wincon is dependent on a single spell resolving/all your eggs in one basket combo. I agree that running more than the 1-mana anti-counterspell/disruption tech depends on your meta, though. How do you lose most of your games?
I'm also finding it extremely hard to cut anything! I'm trying to add more ramp to get Neheb out sooner, but I don't want to cut any more lands since we don't partial-mulligan D:
4 days ago
You might want to run some protection. Whispersilk Cloak would work with creatures you want to hit with.
5 days ago
C13Myth okay boi, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth , Hedron Archive , Thran Dynamo , Basalt Monolith , Lightning Greaves , Solemn Simulacrum , Darksteel Forge , Staff of Nin , Caged Sun , Whispersilk Cloak , Wurmcoil Engine , Darksteel Plate , Ashnod's Altar , Soul of New Phyrexia , Eldrazi Conscription
6 days ago
DrowZgam3r I put Whispersilk Cloak for the more budget version of Lightning Greaves I was thinking about including Darksteel Plate so I can run some board wipes and be able to keep Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker on the board to bring everyone back.
6 days ago
Hey ShreddedByCrows. Wow, thats a lot of input here! Thanks for your suggestions.
I really like the effort you put in here, but i think you are overengineering a bit. First of all youre absolutely right: There are some cards in here that don't make any sense or are slow. This deck was never ment to be super-competitive, it's just build with some cards i had laying around to make a fun to pilot deck that kills some deck strategies, mostly Vannifars. I know it could be build a more competitive way, but in multiplayer it should not totally ruin the fun for everyone and make me archenemy. And i liked the idea of putting some cards in here that never see play even if they are cool.
For Extraplanar Lens youre right. I wanted to put in snow covered lands and i own enough of them. I simply did not find any since all my cards below 1 Euro are in boxes with 4000 cards each and it takes a lot of time to search. With a job and building a house i had my priorities not on that.
As far as the mana-rocks go you're right again. But all my crypts, vaults and my single monolith are in some of my more serious decks and i dont want to remove them there or buy extra copies for a fun-deck like this.
Eiganjo Castle is a card i didn't think of and it perfectly fits, need to find and add one. For wasteland and strip mine same problem as before. All of them used in other decks and i hate switching cards around. Not sure if i would add crucible just for this, but playing 2 LD lands is always a good thing. City of Traitors is a card i sadly don't own and it's a bit expensive for a deck like this.
Humility is a great card, played it in my creatureless superfriends EDH some years ago but it slows down the game too much and kills the fun on the table.
For your card suggestions: I dont want to go into all of those but for the staxx package i dont want to lock the board down totally. Played Vintage Staxx years ago before Trinisphere got restricted and some really nasty Daretti Staxx EDH. That really evolves fast to a point where nobody wants to play with you if you play that deck. After all Commander is still a fun-format. For a competetive list sure, those a must haves.
I feel a bit like i wasted your time but i will for sure take your suggestions here if i build a mean version of this deck. I thank you a lot for your time and suggestions.
+1 for your staxx deck for this if i find it
6 days ago
Nice brew, neat idea to counter those clunky and annoying Vannifars!
As smne who played Mono-W Stax for a while, with the amazing Hokori, Dust Drinker at the helm, I'll share with you what thoughts inspire me your sweet Linvala decklist.
(Even if it has already been pointed out before, I wanna say that I also love the Urborg combo. It's unexpectable and freakin' gud!)
Let's start by the beginning: mana fixation. Extraplanar Lens is insane in every monocolored archetype, so it's a quite logic inclusion you made here. Nonetheless, I suggest you to go for Snow-covered lands to synergize better with it - that way you won't give a lift to your opponents playing white.
Pearl Medallion and Sol Ring are basics, nothing really worth to say about it. Thran Dynamo and Worn Powerstone are more debatable. I don't know what is your budget issue, but if you want a competitve list, Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Grim Monolith , Mind Stone , Everflowing Chalice etc. are all better options. Dynamo and Powerstone aren't bad cards, but they just come after those ones if you really do need a solid ''ramp'' package.
Opal Palace feels badly slow and ineffective in a monocolored stax deck. You won't win the game by taking up the board with your creatures armed of a little +1/+1 counter.
You have notable exclusions in your lands for a mono-white. Eiganjo Castle is the first card that comes through mind. Buried Ruin also is a recursive tool you should consider, even over Inventors' Fair . If you manage to find one, Ancient Tomb has its place there replacing Temple of the False God .
At its final shape, my Hokori decklist was running a powerful Crucible of Worlds package including Wasteland , Strip Mine , Dust Bowl , Flagstones of Trokair , Lotus Vale and City of Traitors . I was up to 39 lands, not counting Maze of Ith .
Now let's jump straight into your gameplan!
So... you're planning to focus your eyes on ruining Vannifar's day. To help with this strategy of being the nasty ''combo killer'' guy, I think you should put in some additional pieces of disruption.
That said, I don't know which Vannifar's version(s) your playgroup perform with. If it's a Thornbite Staff / Intruder Alarm one, things would be easier to calm down and you won't need such a heavy stax package - you'll need more single-target/multi-target removals though. And if it's the other one, certainly the most popular now (and also the most powerful/absurd), based on many shenanigans around the creatures Vannifar brings to the table, you'll need more stax support.
One of the very best cards you could add to stop all those creature-centered combos is Humility . This card is broken, this card is stupid. It even disables etb abilities. The only way your opponent has to go through is to destroy it with a creatureless source / or with a ''casting'' effect (like Ulamog has).
Single-handly, Humility tears apart most of the competitive Vannifar lists. However, based on the fact that it is still fragile to enchantments/permanents removals, you'll have to build a defensive shield for your stuff. Vannifar lists often keep a strong package of cheap permanents' removals in their pocket (like Beast Within for example), so you'll need to play carefully.
There's a lot of different ways you can head in order to reinforce your permanents' presence on the battlefield. A pretty simple and most of the time effective, despite of its ccm, you already included is Avacyn, Angel of Hope . I think you still lack a way to cheat her casting cost out to make her a stable and destructive power house.
Stax ''enchantment'' strategy is imo one of the most viable and solid strategy. With Academy Rector (amazing alongside your High Market ), you'll be able to search the exact piece you need to lock the game in your favor.
Notable stax exclusions :
Static Orb > staple
Storage Matrix > staple
Arena of the Ancients > staple
Thalia, Heretic Cathar > staple
Lodestone Golem > Considering all the artifacts you're playing, ~ seems like a consistent pick for your draft.
Ethersworn Canonist > personal preference there. I always loved ~ in my stax deck. Synergizes well with Teshar.
Phyrexian Revoker > another personal preference. Always found ~ useful.
Pithing Needle > destroys Vannifar for 1 mana.
Orb of Dreams > more of an Hokori all stars card, but could also be good here.
Sphere of Resistance > staple, should be played carefully to slow down your opponents combos and not threw away as soon as possible like I see many people casting it
Mana Tithe > unexpected white counterspell - another Hokori all stars... I don't know if it would be any good there
Other cards to consider :
Platinum Angel > slow down combos, create a premium target for every combo player removals.
Greater Auramancy > protection for your enchantments
Sensei's Divining Top > not the best card draw you could find, but provides something White struggles to accomplish
Barl's Cage > strong mana sink against Vannifar and creature-heavy decks
Condemn > more removals
Abolish > more removals
Dispatch > more removals
Catastrophe > clears everything except enchantments/artifacts
Approach of the Second Sun > win con
Idyllic Tutor > searching for Humility
A bunch of meta depending stax tools :
Cards I'd cut from your list :
Martyr's Bond > Slow and unreliable on this brew. As you're not sacrificing any kind of permanent on your own, you'll struggle to get any value out of it outside of a lost political blast deflagrating when the game should already be over. Unless you add in some cards like World Queller , it defenitly doesn't deserve a slot imo.
Bishop of Rebirth > a lot of people seems to give love to this card recently. However, I personally think it is just a bad inclusion. You spend 5 mana on a understated body and you have to wait a whole turn before getting value out of it IF you are in the researched scenario. There will be times where you have Boots or Greaves on board and this will be an insane mini-Sun Titan, but the situation is too rare to justify its presence.
Sublime Archangel > No real interest here. Good creature but doesn't provide anything for the stax strategy.
Gift of Immortality / True Conviction > weird ''win con'' heavily situational cards based on creatures. There is some logic behind Gift, but it's just too much of a unreliable idea. True Conviction has nothing to do here... it's 6 mana spend to lose the control on the game. If you're searching for card advantage and a bit of healing, go for the brand new Dawn of Hope (also is a good mana sink).
Blackblade Reforged > intersting alternative win con. Feels slow nonetheless.
Emeria Shepherd > too slow for my liking.
Whispersilk Cloak > can't understand what this does in a deck full of flyiers and tapping effects.
Finally, as you want to challenge Vannifar, which is a blue deck, you'll need something to deal with the classical Cyclonic Rift . Teferi's Protection is a good solution (and it could also protects you form a lot of various situations / removals / etc.), but I'm sure you can find a lot of other response.
I hope you'll find useful ideas in this comment. Thanks a lot for sharing this, it reminds me good times. Keep up the good work, keep up brewing!
Whispersilk Cloak occurrence in decks from the last year
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