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Prossh, Skyraider of Kher
Legendary Creature — Dragon
When you cast Prossh, Skyraider of Kher, put X 0/1 red Kobold creature tokens named Kobolds of Kher Keep onto the battlefield, where X is the amount of mana spent to cast Prossh.
Sacrifice another creature: Prossh gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
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Prossh, Skyraider of Kher Discussion
2 weeks ago
Heyo VexenX. I might have to try Somberwald Sage then. I loved it back in my Prossh, Skyraider of Kher deck and it was an all star there. Somberwald might prove to be something here, but I still want to add Selvala, Heart of the Wilds to my deck over somberwald. However, another all star dork that I ended up using instead of somberwald, especially since I have all the fetch lands, is Deathrite Shaman. I notice that you don't have all the fetch lands in your deck and can understand for some due to price reasons, but with all ten, Deathrite Shaman is awesome. If your opponents also use fetch lands, then you can use deathrite to hit their lands as well so he generally always has a target. It can also get rid of annoying graveyard cards that you don't want to be dealing with. Like Meren of Clan Nel Toth recurring something very dangerous over and over again.
I might have to add a Taurean Mauler myself, though I don't like the fact that it looks like a bull but he is a changeling so still counts as a dragon. Will not doubt the fact that he is strong, especially as a two drop creature for this deck. Wasitora, Nekoru Queen is also awesome and I like her affect. Works very well against voltron decks so would recommend her. I would remove a few creatures for them and my suggestions would have to be Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon, Scion of the Ur-Dragon, and Hellkite Overlord. I haven't tested Hellkite Overlord yet, but I like the fact he is a beater so I would say of the three, I wouldn't remove him, but still on the back burner compared to other dragons. Knollspine Dragon might be one to consider due to his powerful draw affect, but could also be to much if one doesn't monitor the amount of damage done, or if you have no way to maximize your hand size.
I suggest Skithiryx because of what he is, an infect dragon that will be targeted and destroyed if left alone, plus it is infect damage. If you have no way to pump him and one shot the opponent with him, then I wouldn't use him. Scion of the Ur-Dragon is one that I feel is pretty lackluster in his father's deck due to how he plays. Yes it can get you a big dragon if you possess a recursion spell in your hand, but scion doesn't receive any of the creature discounts that you are running like Urza's Incubator and etc. Also scion does much better with the idea that you do combat tricks like dumping Nicol Bolas when nobody blocks him upon attacks. I just think that for 5 mana with a 4/4 flyer might provide something more useful, but the idea of making him into Atarka, World Render before attacking is appealing. I ended up cutting mine just because I think he doesn't do enough for his dad.
Another card you could cut, could possibly be Fist of Suns. I did end up cutting mine and think something like Sylvan Library or Mirari's Wake could be more useful. Yes Fist of Suns is good early game, but getting it late game, it just falls hard and is lackluster with all the creature discounts you get from your other artifacts and commander. I love Selvala, Heart of the Wilds because she is like another Ramos, Dragon Engine when The Ur-Dragon and her are on the field together.
I would say if you want to add Anguished Unmaking, then maybe remove Path to Exile. It won't ramp your opponents, and we really don't care if the opponents get life from Swords to Plowshares when our creatures can easily just wipe out whatever was gained and more. I also think most of our removal is going to target enchantments and artifacts more than it will target creatures as we generally will have the larger creature, plus can fly over them most of the time. However, if you want, something to replace either Swords to Plowshares or Path to Exile, Crib Swap is hilarious in this deck, especially since it gets discounted by our commander.
I am also iffy on Cultivate and Kodama's Reach due to lack of basics, but with not having all 10 fetches, I can see them being useful for the fixing. Could also add the Skyshroud Claim to replace them. Fellwar Stone or any of the signets are great two drops that could provide more fixing if needed. If you end up deciding to put in Prismatic Geoscope though, then leave in the Cultivate and Kodama's Reach for the basics.
I have typed a lot and give you something to read/think about. I apologize if it is a lot, want The Ur-Dragon to be more than just a fun deck. I want him to be fun and competitive, which is why this deck is going to be were all my expensive resources are going. I will also leave an updated version of my deck here if you want to have a look and see how they compare. If you have suggestions for it as well, I am all ears and would love to see what you have to say. Thanks gain and sorry for my long post. Have a great day!
Here is my deck. The Ur-Dragon Initiative
3 weeks ago
Since we're behind on some edits, I will make a list for tiers 1-2.5:
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher needs moved down to tier 1.5 as discussed.
Kess, Dissident Mage needs the deck changed to represent storm or have both listed like SBT
Animar, Soul of Elements is suspect to be moved to tier 2, as discussed here.
The Gitrog Monster needs moved to tier 1, as discussed here.
Sliver Overlord needs looked at and will likely move here.
Scion of the Ur-Dragon is suspect to be moved to tier 2, as discussed here.
Atraxa, Praetors' Voice needs to be moved to tier 3 until an archtype and deck is accurately found for her, as discussed here.
Azami, Lady of Scrolls is suspect for tier 1.5, as discussed here.
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician the deck currently listed is wizardball, the previous stasis stax list was not being updated, both are viable options and both need listed like SBT.
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord has not been updated in over a year, especially with things like protean hulk unbanning we need to find a new list.
Maelstrom Wanderer is suspect to mvoe to tier 2.5, as discussed here.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary this list is in the process of being updated, it should be updated to a brostorm paradox/ dramatic sceptor list that can cast it's entire deck off Vizier of the Menagerie. Afterwords it needs reevaluated.
Marath, Will of the Wild I have seen some blood pod versions of this that are better than our current list, it probably needs updated.
Rashmi, Eternities Crafter suspect for tier 1.5 based on conversations on the discord, on par with tasigur and GAAIV for control decks.
Nekusar, the Mindrazer can run a grixis storm shell and be a wincon.
Ghost Council of Orzhova While this lsit is good, I think we could find better, seen ones that can run the bomberman infinite with the commander and a mono black like storm deck in the same deck. Likely needs moved to tier 2.
Inalla, Archmage Ritualist needs moved up as soon as the Laboratory Maniacs finish their brew, we missed a lot with her.
Sedris, the Traitor King this list has not been updated in a long time. I wonder if a grixis storm build with unearthed labman would be better or if it just needs updated to stick with kiki reanimator and add nooze.
Varolz, the Scar-Striped has proven himself to be tier 2 and needs moved up.
Xira Arien her storm list by buildingdeck needs moved here or to tier 2.
Look for other outdated lists and decks suggested that could go here.
@thegigibeast I hope this helps.
3 weeks ago
Cascading Cataracts / Crystal Quarry / Sylvan Ranger / Rampant Growth / Bloom Tender / Birds of Paradise / Sylvan Caryatid / Utopia Tree / Reflecting Pool / Oblivion Ring / Gruul Signet / Golgari Signet / Simic Signet / Selesnya Signet / Bringer of the Red Dawn / Bringer of the Blue Dawn / Bringer of the Black Dawn / Unclaimed Territory / Cavern of Souls / Keiga, the Tide Star / Breath of Darigaaz / Nissa's Pilgrimage / Explosive Vegetation / Molten Disaster / Subterranean Tremors / Ash Barrens / Evolving Wilds / Terramorphic Expanse / Sudden Demise / Fault Line / Beast Within / Dragonlord Dromoka / Sylvan Reclamation / Wear / Tear / Grand Coliseum / City of Brass / Mana Confluence / Fellwar Stone / Solemn Simulacrum / Farhaven Elf / Wood Elves / Heartless Summoning / Urza's Incubator / Sensei's Divining Top / Cyclonic Rift / Reclamation Sage / Urban Evolution / Nature's Lore / Eternal Witness / Skyshroud Claim / Chaos Warp / Manglehorn / Vizier of the Menagerie / Relic of Progenitus / Chromatic Sphere / Chromatic Star / Terrarion / Llanowar Wastes / Shivan Reef / Yavimaya Coast / Karplusan Forest / Sulfurous Springs / Battlefield Forge / Brushland / Caves of Koilos / Night's Whisper / Reanimate / Anguished Unmaking / Swords to Plowshares / Path to Exile / Flame Slash / Vindicate / Sarkhan's Triumph / Preordain / Ponder / Brainstorm / Anticipate / Weathered Wayfarer / Safewright Quest / Temple Garden / Breeding Pool / Overgrown Tomb / Stomping Ground / Mirari's Wake / Nature's Claim / Fatal Push / Thunder Dragon / Scourge of Kher Ridges / Skyline Despot / Siege Dragon / Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund / Foe-Razer Regent / Eternal Dragon / Dragonlord Atarka / Balefire Dragon / Vorosh, the Hunter / Swift Warkite / Scourge of the Throne / Runehorn Hellkite / Rith, the Awakener / Prossh, Skyraider of Kher / Numot, the Devastator / Noxious Dragon / Mordant Dragon / Harmonize / Ancient Craving / Ambition's Cost / Dragonlord Silumgar / Dragonlord Kolaghan / Destructor Dragon / Darigaaz, the Igniter / Surrak Dragonclaw / Stormbreath Dragon / Sarkhan Unbroken / Necromaster Dragon / Icefall Regent / Hunted Dragon / Glorybringer / Fearsome Awakening / Dragonlord Ojutai / Boltwing Marauder / Thunderbreak Regent / Territorial Hellkite / Skyship Stalker / Dragonloft Idol / Dragon Throne of Tarkir / Dragonsoul Knight / Dragonmaster Outcast / Slumbering Dragon / Omen / Serum Visions / Read the Bones
4 weeks ago
I get where your coming from, but your logic has a flaw
Yes, you will often pay 5-10 life to activate deluge, and that hurys you a lot in rakdos, you're right about that
However, as far as taking as little damage as possible, the creatures that would hit you during the next combat phase is often FAR more than 5-10 life, and if its not then obviously deluge is worth casting, but 95% of the time the life you pay is much less than the damage you would be taking from say Prossh, Skyraider of Kher,Marath, Will of the Wild and infinite tokens, or a Sidisi, Brood Tyrant token swarm and essentially every aggro edh commander
Point is, if you want to take the least amount of damage possible, deluge helps a lot more with that than you perceive, and if you're too low or cant afford to pay the life, simply dont cast it
1 month ago
Duh Prossh, Skyraider of Kher is the ultimate Kobold lord. Then you have access to other colors than mono red and more ways to make them those silly zeros good I'd think.
1 month ago
Fires of Yavimaya, Hammer of Purphoros, and Anger are the haste enablers i've been using. So far the one I'm least happy with has been Anger, he's not always in the grave and when I wanna go off and he's in my hand it feels bad, usually have to blow a bolt trigger on him or something. usaDiabetic, the Ulvenwald Hydra has been very good for me, performing excellently at blocking a scary looking Prossh, Skyraider of Kher, but mostly getting me my Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle or Gaea's Cradle and drawing 8+ cards with Rishkar's Expertise. Starsky2814, I think that the confluence-traverse trade is a fair one, i'll try it out when the set drops! On a side note of Fires of Yavimaya, One time my opponent tried to Earthquake for 5 but forgot I had the fires out, so I got to sac it to pump Omnath so he lived, then the player received a face full of lightning bolts. Felt real good I've got to say.
1 month ago
I really liked Wasitora too when I saw her unveiled for C17, but after taking some time to digest her, Prossh, Skyraider of Kher is clearly the better Commander in my mind.
Wasitora's triggered ability is too connditional. If you don't deal damage with her, no token. If you deal damage but that player has a creature to sacrifice, no token. Ouch. Prossh has tremendous token production, and that's just on the cast, on top of being a sac engine and absurdly pumpable.
Wasitora is an excellent "one of" in a Prossh deck, or any Jund Dragon deck really. If you're gonna make a Commander deck around her though, unblockability and removal are going to be the highest priority cards. Truckloads of both are the only way to see her ability shine.
1 month ago
Ok, so I see (with what Lilbrudder said) that there has been some time since we updated the higher-tier commanders. I agree on some of the placements he said, and some changes will be done.
Tana, the Bloodsower should be moved at least to tier 2, because of the BloodPod deck she helms.
Prossh, Skyraider of Kher probably can be dropped to tier 1.5
Yidris, Maelstrom Wielderis really strong storm commander, but if we have arguments for it, maybe should be dropped to tier 1.5 I guess, with the rise of BloodPod there are more decks that can block and prevent us from getting to cascade.
Razaketh, the Foulbloodedmaybe I am biased (because I like it a lot), but I can see it staying tier 1.5, there are so many lines to victory available as soon as he comes into play, being either storm, Paradox Engine, artifact storm (with Shimmer Myr), Necropotence, Ad Nauseam, the commander itself... The idea is not to rush Ad Nauseam like Sidisi does, it is different. sonnet666 has a pretty good list, and I am currently testing and trying to improve on it even more, to reduce CMC for better Ad Nauseamin case we go with this plan and to add other options to help having more ways to victory while staying a compact and CMC-lite deck.
For the other commanders mentionned, I can't really know, I would need other advices, because I have never faced them really much and I never looked at playing them that much neither.