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Flash (You may play this spell any time you could play an instant.)
If an opponent would search a library, that player searches the top four cards of that library instead.
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Aven Mindcensor Discussion
20 hours ago
First thing I suggest is Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip. You have a LOT of creatures, and I like that you're running the whole host of mana-dorks. Rites lets you get even more mana, and serves as an affordable Gaea's Cradle .
I don't think Sapseep Forest is better than a simple basic. Coming in tapped is a big drawback, and 1 life is rarely very relevant in EDH. To a lesser extent, you may find Mistveil Plains to be worse than a basic as well. Mistveil is typically limited to Captain Sisay or other tutor-on-a-stick decks as a means of recursion, but in this deck it seems it won't give you enough bang for your buck. Perhaps you might consider running Drownyard Temple instead? It works well with your Dust Bowl and gives you a good outlet for excess mana.
I recommend running Green Sun's Zenith in conjunction with Dryad Arbor . The arbor on its own isn't very good -- it is effected by summoning sickness and feels bad to play as a land for turn. But Green Sun's for 0 on turn one is excellent. Additionally, later in the game Green Sun's can act as a tutor for your Reclamation Sage or Knight of Autumn to deal with a pesky artifact or enchantment.
Green-White has access to a lot of nice hatebears. I suggest Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , though that one may be a little pricey. Vryn Wingmare and Glowrider are far more affordable and only a little worse. You have a LOT of mana, so taxing non-creature spells isn't too bad for you. Also, your general is a creature on the stack, so it's not an issue with casting her. Aven Mindcensor also comes to mind, but it depends on how search-heavy your meta is.
For planeswalkers, Nissa, Vital Force is a good choice in landfall decks. Being able to cantrip lands is... good. Similarly, Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip is powerful in decks with a high concentration of lands, though I recommend Vital Force much more.
For finishers, you might consider Overrun or Craterhoof Behemoth . They make your dorks into fatties, and let you swing in hard. Craterhoof is expensive these days, but pairing him with Natural Order is a Legacy Elves play that works great in EDH too. Triumph of the Hordes is another candidate for the finisher slot.
Swords to Plowshares is one of the only 1-1s I recommend in EDH. Because it is so efficient, I think it can be played even in a format typically played with 3 opponents. I do NOT recommend Path to Exile , as ramping an opponent is especially dangerous in EDH.
Card draw is always important in EDH. Because you're running so many creatures, Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence seem powerful inclusions, similar to the Shamanic Revelation you already run. After a board wipe, they may well draw you 7+ cards. Also, Slate of Ancestry is a boss.
Good luck with deck building!
dingusdingo on Flex
4 days ago
Inkmoth I have spent some time on this list and I think the author is a lost cause.
He also still isn't running a snow-covered land base for Mouth of Ronom removal in mono G, despite it costing him literally nothing to slot.
Even from a control standpoint, countering the first draw spell this deck puts down is going to massively impair it. Are you keeping hands with two draw spells? How does your ramp look in those hands? How about your ability to deal with a problematic board? What does your deck due about a Meddling Mage naming Azusa? Concede? Why are you running only a single creature based piece of board removal at 9 CMC despite running a whole suite of creature tutors? That makes no sense.
The high CMC average means tax and tap effects also delay the game plan basically forever. Trinisphere Sphere of Resistance etc. running ramp pieces at 3 CMC or greater is inviting yourself to get staxed out.
Discard effects break your hand due to low recursion and no value in the command zone. Turn 2 Dark Ritual into Entomb into Reanimate on a Mindslicer plus any 1 CMC sac effect is game over, especially if your opponent put down a turn 1 value engine. Chains of Mephistopheles Oppression Bottomless Pit all strip your hand and this deck runs absolutely nothing to combat it.
Any way you try to slice it, it isn't fast enough to compete against reliable monster combo decks like Gitrog or Godo or pretty much any Doomsday list. It doesn't run enough removal to handle stax or discard. It has no control or hate elements to beat out against other midrange decks. Pub stomping the kiddies table doesn't make this a competitive deck. What decks are you actually playing against? Saying you win against cEDH doesn't mean anything to anyone. What decks? How are only turn 1-2 decks beating you when your combo window doesn't happen until turns 4-6 while you literally aren't interacting with the board in the slightest?
Even if you removed all the massive CMC dead draws and fully optimized this list with removal and recursion and toolbox answers, there's still no way it can compete against a real competitive list due to lack of value in the command zone and the color identity. I'm not trying to say this is a bad list at all, certainly the best Azusa list I've seen, but it isn't a competitive EDH deck.
Also, yes you do need to defend your deck when you make that claim. People are pointing out specific cards and strategies that shut down your deck, and these cards and strategies not only see play but are rather common in optimized lists.
1 week ago
Hey, nice budget deck. Budget cards to consider adding that can be repeatable sources of life gain or be value when you gain life are helpful especially if they trigger when your opponents play cards:
- Soul Warden
- Soul's Attendant
- Dawn of Hope
- Vizkopa Guildmage
- Pristine Talisman
- Kambal, Consul of Allocation
- Suture Priest
- Crested Sunmare : triggers at the beginning of each end step (yours and opponents end steps) if you gained life that turn.
Cards to consider cutting are some that only give you a one time effect or they're not worth the mana cost:
- Reviving Dose
- Intervention Pact
- Altar's Reap
- Vizkopa Confessor
- Seal of Cleansing
- Consume the Meek
- Slaughter the Strong
You mentioned switching to Kambal as Commander. I think this is a good idea; Kambal is underrated in multiplayer Commander. He effects any opponent when one them casts a noncreature spell that's powerful when you have three opponents. Even if you don't switch I would play Kambal in any Orzhov deck you make. Obzedat can be a singleton in Kambal, but I don't know if you even need him because his mana cost is difficult when playing 28 basic lands and not much color fixing such as Chromatic Lantern .
All my card suggestions can work just as well in a deck with Kambal as Commander. With Kambal as Commander you could combine life gain/budget stax/hate bears. Obviously these strategy will change your deck a lot, but it's worth testing. Budget cards to consider:
1 week ago
I'm digging the invincible and destroy all mashed together. Creates strong board control and allows you to swing uncontested.
Fist, I've noticed you're running 46 lands, which is quite a few. I think you could cut down to 38 very easily, especially if you cut a few of the larger CMC spells in favor of cheaper alternatives.
So what would I spend those 8 land slots on? Tutors and ramp.
Serenity could be a hot include too for more control. Porphyry Nodes works in a similar vein for creatures and probably combos better with your deck. Planar Collapse is another cheap wiper that can clear the board for you.
Knight of the Holy Nimbus works surprisingly well here too.
I don't think you actually want All Is Dust for this deck! Your commander flipped is a white permanent, and sacrifice goes through indestructible! One of the lower cost mass destruction ( Porphyry Nodes / Planar Collapse ) could easily fit this slot if you didn't use it to replace some plains. Fiend Hunter is also an excellent choice, as it lets you reuse ETB effects by wiping the board, or gives you spot removal on an opponents problem creature.
Not a fan of Omen Machine here either. Pretty expensive for a stax type piece, would much rather see Aven Mindcensor for flash blowouts + beats or more wipes or Spirit of the Labyrinth to keep draw-hate in your list.
Emeria Shepherd Adarkar Valkyrie and Palisade Giant could all be lower CMC creatures to smooth over your early game. Soltari Visionary could give some extra control elements, while Samurai of the Pale Curtain could help against graveyard strategies. Dust Elemental lets you reset your ETB creatures or can be flashed in at EOT before yours to prepare for a board wipe. Even Serene Master could be good for early game to help you get more to mid game!
1 week ago
griffstick I don’t think I’ll be cutting my board wipes since I normally need to use one before starting to build up with the Angels since the deck is very mid-late game. As for Berserkers' Onslaught it seems pretty good and I could see having it as a side board to swap with Aura of silence when I’m facing more aggressive decks. I should probably find the Vandalblast I have sitting around and put it into the deck and maybe swap Return to Dust with Crush Contraband
multimedia I have Aven Mindcensor and I could see putting it in the deck for the anti searching and Knight of the White Orchid does seem like a good swap for my Expedition Map thanks for the suggestions.
1 week ago
Consider Knight of the White Orchid replacing Map? You're playing both Foundry and Mistveil, lands that Orchid can search for and ramp. Also consider adding Aven Mindcensor in place of Burnished Hart or Gift of Estates ? I'm not a fan of Hart, it's too slow. In my opinion Orchid and Mindcensor are must haves for any heavy white deck.
1 week ago
ChibiNature I pulled Red Elemental Blast to put in Return to Dust against Zur's enchantments and send my Sunforger into a prison (See Oblivion Ring ). I kept Pyroblast for the Atraxa, Praetors' Voice deck because fuck blue.
I kept Basalt Monolith because I'm not baller like you and have Grim Monolith and Mox Diamond . But the number of times that Basalt Monolith helped is quite high. Basically I have Basalt Monolith and two other mana rocks that give colored mana and i'm ready to tutor for Paradox Engine and Aetherflux Reservoir . Going infinite with colorless mana is almost unhelpful in this Feather deck.
How would you feel about Intimidation Bolt in this deck?
1 week ago
Mkay, so from what I can tell I think you might have a bit too much mana on the board. You might be able to afford swapping out a mana rock or two for a stax piece against your meta. You said that Zur the Enchanter is a really popular pick so I'd highly recommend Aven Mindcensor for a start. Also I see you are running Basalt Monolith but not its combo piece Rings of Brighthearth ? I wouldn't ever want to run Basalt Monolith without it. Also Rings of Brighthearth works with Sunforger 's active ability so if you want the combo that try it out. I can try and explain the combo as best I can.
You announce the activation of the Monolith's untap ability, tapping the Monolith itself to pay for that ability. That ability goes on the stack and triggers the Rings of Brighthearth. When the Rings trigger resolves, you may pay 2 (from some other source) and copy the untap ability. After the first untap ability resolves, you tap Monolith for 3, then the second untap ability resolves. You now have 3 and an untapped Monolith. Repeat ad nauseum. This should net you infinite mana :D
Other than those points, I'd suggest looking at what combos/cards have you been actually pulling off in your meta. Have you been getting actual value out of Past in Flames ? Perhaps Smothering Tithe hasn't been netting you enough mana to make it worth it? Try and find cards that are good, but produce value outside of Feather, the Redeemed 's main gameplan as the first cards to replace for stax effects. Aura of Silence is another card I didn't mention before that a Zur the Enchanter deck can just fold to if not prepared. I run it in my list and it has been fairly successful.
Aven Mindcensor occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.03%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.06%
W/U (Azorius): 1.37%