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|Masterpiece Series: Amonkhet Invocations (AKHMPS)||Common|
|Future Sight (FUT)||Uncommon|
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- how does Aven Mindcensor interact against fetchlands
- Would you still shuffle your library after not searching it due to an Aven Mindcensor?
- Aven Mindcensor and Tempt with Discover timing of interaction.
- What happens when you can’t search with Doomsday?
- Why does it still count as searching your library when an Aven Mindcensor is in play?
Creature — Bird Wizard
Flash (You may play this spell any time you could play an instant.)
If an opponent would search a library, that player searches the top four cards of that library instead.
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Aven Mindcensor Discussion
2 hours ago
I’m really surprised you aren’t running mana dorks; this is what makes green a color worth playing in EDH. Llanowar Elves , Elvish Mystic , Fyndhorn Elves , Avacyn's Pilgrim , Arbor Elf , Orcish Lumberjack and Bloom Tender all ramp harder than artifacts ever can — these should be strongly considered, and likely played. Note that Arbor Elf gets a lot better with Utopia Sprawl or Wild Growth on a forest. I advise removing Coalition Relic and/or Talisman of Conviction to make room.
If you choose to add dorks, thirty-six lands will be too many. I’d cut at least three or as many as five, depending on your preference.
Swords to Plowshares is better than Path to Exile in EDH. Ramping an opponent is very dangerous in a format where people routinely go big, and 5 or so life points don’t typically matter — especially if you aim to kill with commander damage.
It says in your description you find this deck too slow for cEDH. While the current build may be, there’re ways to slow down opponents to the point where you’re winning the long-game. Root Maze , Rule of Law , Stony Silence and Blood Moon are all powerful enchantments to slow down your opponents, though the last one does need a crafted mana base. Since you’re not playing off-color fetches or planeswalkers, Suppression Field is on the table. Gaddock Teeg is infamous among my friends for holding off pretty much every boardwipe, with the important exception of Toxic Deluge . Other hatebears (like Aven Mindcensor or Spirit of the Labyrinth ) should also be considered.
Card draw/filtering in Naya is typically pretty difficult. Faithless Looting is a card you should consider, as it makes a lot of marginal opening hands significantly better. Adding Gamble is typically an improvement for card-selection. However, GSZ+ Argothian Enchantress , which you already have, is a real good draw-engine in this deck.
This seems like a good deck to run Cataclysm . With Uril out and an enchantment on him, it’s likely to seal the game in your favor. Same goes for Armageddon / Ravages of War . Fair warning, though: All three of these cards tend to produce salt, and even if they don’t, they’re hard to play with and need practice using.
Punishing Fire with Grove of the Burnwillows is a synergy I’ve always wanted to pull off in EDH, but I don’t typically play Gruul. I recommend trying it, as it seems that it could be very powerful in the right sort of meta, though also very week in the wrong sort.
Good luck, man. I gotta go, but if you need more help I’ll take another look.
6 days ago
Hey, looks good nice Extraplanar Lens :)
Consider more lands? 29 lands is low for a 3.6 avg. CMC. This low amount of lands also needs a low avg. CMC, not more than 2.0 which will be difficult to achieve unless you cut a large amount of high CMC cards. Consider 36 lands?
Consider more flying? Flying is evasion that you want to be able to consistently with Odric give all your creatures including Odric to do Commander damage.
- Healer's Hawk
- Segovian Angel
- Aerial Responder
- Skyhunter Skirmisher
- Aven Sunstriker
- Angel of Invention
- Aven Mindcensor
- Selfless Spirit
- Remorseful Cleric
Odric can give your creatures indestructible which is powerful from sources such as Gideon Blackblade or Bastion Protector . Precinct Captain , Hero of Bladehold and Brimaz, King of Oreskos are creatures who can be repeatable sources of tokens. Legion's Landing Flip and Adanto, the First Fort is a good land with token strategies. Hour of Revelation is a powerful board wipe for mono white in multiplayer Commander.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Angelic Chorus
- Sphere of Safety
- Mass Calcify
- Angel of Glory's Rise
- Darien, King of Kjeldor
- Skyspear Cavalry
- Baird, Steward of Argive
- Dictate of Heliod
- Norn's Annex
- Ajani's Welcome
- High Ground
- Solemn Offering
- Deploy to the Front
- Sword of the Animist
- Chitinous Cloak
- Spear of Heliod
- Riot Control
- War Report
- Hopeful Eidolon
1 week ago
There are increasingly more rules being made/changed for a single card. They changed what "ending the turn" meant back in Origins because Day's Undoing hasd interactions with draw triggers that they apparently didn't like. There are 15 instances of the CR mentioning that "one card" does a thing and only one card (lol) is referenced more than once. So there are 14 instances of rules being written for a single card as well as the odd ones like Aven Mindcensor and Day's Undoing that have had rules written about them but are not specifically called out as the reason for the rule.
1 week ago
Orzhov Signet , Zulaport Cutthroat , and Reassembling Skeleton are some great includes I see you're missing. If you want to keep the deck's power level down I wouldn't add too many tutors otherwise there is Vampiric Tutor and Entomb as some low cost powerful ones that weren't mentioned already.
The deck is lacking instant speed interaction which means you aren't going to be able to stop what your opponent is doing very well. I suggest adding Swords to Plowshares , Path to Exile , Anguished Unmaking , Despark , and Aura of Silence .
Lastly run some disruption because an Orzhov deck can always go the distance, but is SO slow to get there. Hushwing Gryff and Aven Mindcensor are instant speed disruption with a flying body that can really mess with an opponent's plan.
I would honestly rate your deck as more of a 6 power level and no where near a 8-9 as those can compete with cEDH decks or are cEDH decks themselves which can combo off around turns 3-6 and run a million counter spells to prevent your opponent from doing anything... Being in the 7-8 range is really the happy place but its dependent on your meta. If this deck is an 8 in your current meta then I would be hesitant to upgrade it too much because you don't want to leave your playgroup behind or it always turns into arch enemy where everyone kills you off first because your deck is so much more powerful then all of theirs. I actually have a friend who has this problem and even after de-powering his decks the slogan of "Rule 0: Kill Chris" is still said and obeyed a lot of the time.
If you enjoy listening or watching podcasts I suggest you check out The Command Zone podcast on Youtube or itunes. They have a few episodes where they specifically cover balancing your meta and how to avoid these conundrums.
1 week ago
As far as I can find, there isn't another card to which that applies...yet.
Future Sight was about playing around with the system, and especially the "future-shifted" cards like the original Aven Mindcensor were bringing in new and unique things to play with. Finally reprinting it in Amonkhet just means it found a home where it worked, but it doesn't necessarily mean we're going to see other cards like it any time soon.
A creature forced to enter the battlefield tapped because of Urabrask the Hidden is still entering the battlefield, so searching a smaller portion of your library is still searching your library. After all, it's part of your library, and you just searched it. Aven Mindcensor isn't making you search a different zone, just a smaller portion of the same zone.
The comparison to Anger of the Gods doesn't work because that's changing things so that a creature "dying" doesn't happen at all, while the search with Mindcensor on the board still happens, just restricted. If it said to search your graveyard instead, then it'd be comparable.
1 week ago
The 'when' was a holdover that I forgot to change. It's the rest of the example that matters. So,
- "If a player searches their library, they can only find cards from the top four cards of that library."
The confusion is because Aven Mindcensor uses standard replacement effect wording that state you replace the regular search with searching a different selection of cards. It outright says that you're replacing searching your library with a different action.
Some replacement effects do replace an action with something else that includes that action ( Alhammarret's Archive , Mox Diamond ), but it's clear on those cards because they say exactly that on the card.
You are still searching, yes, but searching isn't unique to libraries, which is why this is so unclear to me. We've been able to search hands and graveyards with spells like Cranial Extraction which have existed since before Aven Mindcensor was first printed.
1 week ago
The most common parallel is for cards like Anger of the Gods that exile things if they would die, and therefore don't trigger things like Ajani's Last Stand or cause effects like Morbid on Caravan Vigil to apply.
From the Gatherer page for Aven Mindcensor —
- For effects that check whether a player searched a library, searching the top four cards of that library counts as searching that library.
I appreciate this is an awkward question, but... why? Considering this is a replacement effect which replaces searching a library with a different action, why does looking at the top four cards still cause Ob Nixilis, Unshackled to trigger, or cause you to shuffle if you search with Grasping Current (which specifically only says to shuffle if you searched your library)?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that cards that give you the option to search a library as one of multiple searchable zones, and then shuffle the library only if you searched that library, didn't exist when Aven Mindcensor was first printed (they were popularised with the tutor/recur effects in recent Planeswalker decks). So when the Aven got reprinted I was expecting the wording to be changed, maybe to "when a player searches their library, they can only find cards from the top four cards of that library".
As it stands, this is the only card I can think of that just outright disobeys the rules in the wording in this way. I don't know.
What does it mean to search a library?
What does it mean to be happy?
What is life?
2 weeks ago
Thanks. I’ve wondered about running Gaddock Teeg before, but the matchups he’s useful for are covered by other silver bullets like Aven Mindcensor . If the meta changes or something else is printed I’ll be sure to slot him into the sideboard.
Aven Mindcensor occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.03%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.06%
WU (Azorius): 1.37%