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Faithless Looting Discussion
6 hours ago
I've been trying to solve Relentless Dead for awhile too.
First a short backstory: I currently play Rocket Science, which is a Bloodghast + Faithless Looting grixis midrange deck that I've been having a lot of fun with. However, it has the unfortunate problem that Faithless Looting is card disadvantage when you don't discard Bloodghast. The card pairity solution is Thought Scour, but then Bloodghast becomes really bad when you draw it and only good when you randomly hit it with Scour, which is inconsistent and bad.
However, that was all before Relentless Dead was a thing. Relentless Dead works wonders with Thought Scour because it's pure value when you can get a zombie in your yard to revive with Relentless. You are stuck hard-casting Relentless Dead and it never has haste, so the deck is inherently less aggressive and less explosive, but then Relentless Dead is able to block and has evasion, both of which are fantastic upsides to go with the higher consistency of the deck.
And that's about as far as I've made it. I can't seem to actually get a functioning decklist for the card. I know I want it to be midrange and in UBx to abuse Thought Scour and play with Relentless Dead's strengths. It also should be an incremental value deck. Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Snapcaster Mage both love being played alongside Thought Scour, so a 2 Tasigur and 2-4 Snap, depending on the third color (2 if green, 4 if red, unknown if white), should supplement Relentless Dead nicely. Liliana of the Veil is great Relentless Dead support too: 2-4 copies belong in the deck.
The biggest area of struggle I'm facing is that I don't really know what other creatures should be run with Dead. Clearly there should be some zombies or changelings, but I don't know which. I would not run off-color creatures since if you get stuck with one of them in hand but no access to Relentless Dead, then you're in a very tough spot.
1 day ago
Sorry for the late response. I can give you a much longer post this weekend sometime. I've been busy and doing some playtesting. With this deck, I don't think you need Bloodghast, but I do advise moving away from Stormchaser Mage. The problem with Stormchaser is that unless you're in a pure tempo shell (which this is not), it simply doesn't hit for enough damage. If you've had a different experience with it, I'm curious to hear about it since I have not tested extensively with it.
Here are the changes I would make:
This will push your deck away from being Rocket Science and more towards traditional Grixis, but traditional Grixis is pretty good right now. You would eventually need Ancestral Vision, but I think you can wait until it (hopefully) gets reprinted in Eternal Masters.
If you want to play something more similar to Rocket Science (I won't be offended if you don't), then you should try and pick up 4 Bloodghast, but it's not necessary for the deck to function. The other option, if you don't want Bloodghast but want to play something similar to Rocket Science, then I have only started testing with the Relentless Dead version, but basically you just play Rocket Science with 2 Fleshbag Marauder in the place of Vampire Nighthawk, 4 Relentless Dead instead of 4 Bloodghast, and 4 Thought Scour instead of 4 Faithless Looting. I have not tested it thoroughly yet, so I don't know if it's good, but it is an option.
Less than 4 Snapcaster Mage was a budget thing for me; if you have the ability to borrow / trade for a 4th, I'd do it since it really belongs as a 4-of.
I really like Grim Lavamancer in here.
Nice deck! I'm honored my decklist was able to help you out.
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2 days ago
You need two things which you are lacking - a sac outlet to trigger bridge and a draw spell. free/nearly so in your colors are Faithless Looting, Dangerous Wager for discard/draw and Greater Gargadon for sac outlet.
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3 days ago
I think my sarcasm may have come off as rude, for that I apologize. Its just that comcamp commented on my build stating that he believed that I had too many win conditions in my list, to which I replied that it was a matter of playstyle, however, since then, his build has reflected a more aggressive strategy that My build is also taking, however, I much prefer this list to the renditions I saw earlier.
I love Bloodghast. I think and I think maybe a 1 or 2 ofDakmor Salvage might serve you well if you want to have another means to run them as a primary win condition. It would just give you a solid means to recur them to the battlefield when you can't find Oboro, Palace in the Clouds.
Also, I like Faithless Looting, but I think that Thought Scour has more value in a non-combo midrange deck. When you have no cards in hand, and you top deck a faithless looting, you just empty your hand and are unable to play any of the cards you drew, whereas Thought scour allows you to feed the same amount of cards into your graveyard as Faithless, but you also keep a card in your hand to play no matter what. Now, if you wanted to go for more speed, just run both. But, I think if you are only to play 1 of the 2, thought scour is the better choice.
4 days ago
Griselbrand is definitely the better turn two play and he can easily facilitate a turn three emrakul to finish off the opponent. However the fact that that one card does exactly the same thing as several cards used to do is what I am more impressed with. I still run Faithless Looting neonate simply replaces other looting effects and a bunch of dead cards outside of the combo like Simian Spirit Guide. It also offers nicely into a Turn 3 Brain in a Jar.
4 days ago
Grishoalbrand would never remove Faithless Looting, that card has such a high upside in the deck.
Also a turn 2 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is less relevant than a turn 3 one. You want to sweep up all their lands and stop them from playing the game. Most decks outside of Affinity don't have six permanents on the table turn 2.
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