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Lotus Petal Discussion
5 hours ago
There's also no reason to not be playing Force of Will in your mono-blue control deck. This will help immensely if your opponent tries to do something tricky, like resolve a Stoneforge Mystic that's going to grab Batterskull or casting Liliana of the Veil.
Probably the derpiest card for Stasis is As Foretold. Like, I don't think your opponent can actually win if you resolve both. You will be able to cast Counterspells with impunity, while never having to tap an Island except to pay for Stasis.
Lastly, Meditate, Chrome Mox, and Lotus Petal are all good options. Meditate fills a similar role to Chronatog, but helps you find more answers and threats. Chrome Mox and Lotus Petal allow you to go "SURPRISE, NERDS! Turn 1 Stasis on the draw!" or even turning out an early As Foretold.
15 hours ago
Well, I mean Bolas is one of the most power-hungry and powerful planeswalkers in the game, if that doesn't say cEDH I don't know what does, also RNG doesn't exist in Gemstone Caverns, IE no rolling dice or flipping coins, but if you just mean randomness, I could say the same thing for every card that you only want openning hand and is a bad draw later on, like Sol Ring, or the two leylines, or Mana Crypt.
The essence of Bolas is 'Everything to Win', so the cards like Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Tarnished Citadel, Ad Nauseam, Imperial Seal, Mana Confluence, Shivan Reef, Underground River, Ancient Tomb, and City of Brass are more flavorful than cards like Izzet Boilerworks, and also are just good cards.
Jank is generally the opposite of competitive, so why every turn 4 win is supposedly jank, and Laboratory Maniac is supposedly jank too is beyond me.
Also, discard is a mechanic of stax, a key mechanic of that too, if you have ever seen a cEDH mono-black stax deck not running discard, be my guest. It is too powerful an effect not to use if your goal is to stop your opponents from casting spells.
Also, have you seen Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker? He ends games fast, not slow. I turn one any land and Lotus Petal to Flash+Arena Rector him out and it is over, no buts about it, that one player who might have an answer? +3 and their only land is gone, next turn do the same, next turn ultimate him, rinse repeat on the other two players who are still in the game, protecting him from Chain of Vapors and Into the Roils with the Counterspells in my hand, until they are all out of lands, cards, and permanents, and eventually life too, GG.
Also, the original Nicol Bolas, yeah I run him in modern, who else am I gonna turn one out with two Simian Spirit Guides, a Faithless Looting and Goryo's Vengeance, Emrakul, the Aeons Torn? Nah, he blows up their permanents, what permanents are they going to have turn one? Not much, discarding their hand is much better, but obviously I run both.
Point is, I don't think the essence of Nicol Bolas is to be a slow, grindy controlling deck, it is a deck that wins every time, for now and forever, sure, I'd probably argue grixis twin should be the deck for Nicol Bolas, but he'd only be used for the commander, and wouldn't serve a purpose in the deck other than for colors.
You also asked me for advice, so take it or not, but I got the deck to be more competitive and down to 100 cards, like you wanted.
16 hours ago
You have 137 cards, you need to drop 37?
Drop all three temples, bounce lands, Sunken Hollow and Smoldering Marsh, Forge of Heroes, Command Beacon, the three lands like Sulfur Falls, Dragonskull Summit, Desolate Lighthouse, and Drowned Catacomb, total of 13 lands, but add City of Brass, Gemstone Caverns, Ancient Tomb, Mana Confluence, Tarnished Citadel, Gemstone Mine, Shivan Reef, Underground River, and Command Tower
Total loss of cards = 5, rest needed = 32
Mainboard additions I'd suggest?
Talisman of Dominance, Fellwar Stone, Talisman of Indulgence, Bottomless Pit, Dark Confidant, Snapcaster Mage, Timetwister, Ponder, Brainstorm, Laboratory Maniac, Demonic Consultation, Tainted Pact, Imperial Seal, Dismember, Chain of Vapor, Pact of Negation, Mystic Remora, Swan Song, Delay, Dispel, Liliana of the Veil, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, Mox Diamond, Lotus Petal, and Rolling Earthquake.
Addition of 27 cards = 59 total to drop
Xantcha, Sleeper Agent, Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker, Vedalken Humiliator, The Scarab God, Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh, Liliana Vess, The Eldest Reborn, Painful Quandary, Pendrell Mists, Mind's Dilation, Omniscience, Leyline of Anticipation, Hero's Downfall, Stunning Reversal, Rakdos Charm, Thrilling Encore, Countersquall, Desertion, Go for the Throat, Fraying Omnipotence, Hour of Devastation, Tormenting Voice, Torment of Hailfire, Syphon Mind, Disrupt Decorum, Dark Intimations, Cruel Ultimatum, Blatant Thievery, Beacon of Unrest, Blasphemous Act, Damnation, Bloodchief Ascension, Disciple of Bolas, Etali, Primal Storm, Nightveil Specter, Fell Specter, Blazing Specter, Augur of Bolas, Clever Impersonator, Jace's Archivist, Kess, Dissident Mage, Mystic Confluence, Disallow, Cryptic Command, Reforge the Soul, Megrim, Liliana's Caress, Entreat the Dead, Phyrexian Arena, Rhystic Study, Search for Azcanta Flip, Dream Salvage, Chromatic Lantern, Expedition Map, Lightning Greaves, Worldgorger Dragon, Animate Dead, Gonti, Lord of Luxury and Glacial Chasm
That should do it! 100 card deck!
The biggest upside to my switches and drops is the extreme amount of lowering that is done to the average cmc of the deck, along with the droppage of slower cards that do little without other spells. The new gameplan would be use discard and disruption like countermagic and removal to stop your opponents just long enough to use Laboratory Maniac with Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact to exile your deck, and usually a draw spell like Brainstorm. More tutors for consistent gameplay is in the switches too.
1 day ago
This is a very land-light deck and Burgeoning will mostly only drop one or two lands maximum for a card. It also doesn't put counters on Animar, can't be tutored for, and is a bad draw at any time except turn one to drop a turn two Animar. Carpet of Flowers more consistently ramps this deck into a turn two Animar and still doesn't deserve a spot because just getting a turn two animar by spending a mana isn't enough, it normally has to either be free like Lotus Petal, Chrome Mox or the similar effects or be a creature like Birds of Paradise.
Venser, Shaper Savant is not useful in the same way Man-o'-War is, being that both can bounce themselves, but Man o' War can do it for half the mana, putting twice the +1/+1 counters that Venser will on Animar. This is a huge difference when you need a number of counters to cast a game-winning spell by turn 4 or trying to win right there.
Against Red Removal, Blasphemous Act type effects are unaffected by Lightning Greaves/Swiftfoot Boots, so I assume this isn't your problem. Against Lightning Bolt effects stuff like Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, Pact of Negation, and Mental Misstep can counter as well as just putting a few counters on Animar, Soul of Elements. Against Chaos Warp, we still have Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation, though you could run some cards like Swan Song and Dispel can be flex slots. They also happen to slow your opponents down if they try to combo out.
Against Blue Removal, which I assume is your problem, Chain of Vapor, Into the Roil, Rapid Hybridization and Cyclonic Rift can still be blocked with Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation, but also can be blocked by some of the flex slots I talked about prior.
Green removal is pretty much just Beast Within and Song of the Dryads and is generally rare, but if it is really hurting your, Spellskite, Sylvan Safekeeper, Glen Elendra Archmage, Force of Will, and Pact of Negation can stop them all, and Caustic Caterpillar, Brutalizer Exarch, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger can deal with Song of the Dryads type effects.
Now while I respect your opinion in your meta on the use and capability of Emrakul, the Promised End, in this deck it commonly reduces it's cost by 1-3 mana, and can be reduced by 4-7 on a mid-sized Animar, Soul of Elements like you said, so 5-10 mana on normal by turns 5-6, or mid game. Even saying it costs is pushing it and if that is the case, you should run it if your meta is overrun with decks that are ruined by it. However due to the top tiered decks normally running a high number of instants that can be used to disable their own ability, think Chain of Vapor, they could commonly stop you from ruining themselves too bad in response to the ability before their turn. Rarely can it do more than a Word of Command because of stuff like that. Even if it just killed target player, like you said about swinging in with a swoll Animar, it doesn't win you the game to kill one player.
Again, that is only the reason that it isn't good enough for JMCraig to toss it in with the goal of this for cEDH decks, but if it works in your playgroup, do it! I have only the best wishes for you and your Animar deck!
You want a backup-backup plan I think was that second-to-last line? I don't understand why you think that is nessecary, but I will go over the plan:
Main Plan : Animar + Statue + Outlet = Win
Backup Plan : Kiki-jiki + Untapper = Win
We have a backup plan, why do you assume we need another?
You seemed to argue for Tishana over Big Kozi, but Kozilek, Butcher of Truth does have other use in the deck, and I would argue is better with a pumped Animar than Tishana. It can be free if you need a wincon and have Ancestral Statued Animar, Soul of Elements to infinity and beyond and just need to win, but don't have much more mana, Kozi is free, also with Survival of the Fittest you can fetch him and discard him to reshuffle your yard back in if you couldn't otherwise get back a card. Due to the discard being the cost, you could then fetch out a card that was in your graveyard when you fetched, making a really cool Primal Command effect for and a Survival of the Fittest.
Arguing Tishana can be fetched with Fierce Empath is fair, no arguement here, and it is even a decent option, but Imperial Recruiter has a ton of much better options, like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker to copy the recruiter fetching Deceiver Exarch and winning the game. I can't think of a game I have ever played with Animar in which I wished I had a tishana to fetch with Imperial Recruiter. But yes, it isn't technically wrong.
The last thing I want to cover was one of your first points, about the lack of outlets to win with Ancestral Statue, with Purphoros, God of the Forge and Walking Ballista being the outlets of choice, if you have found problems tutoring tehm out, try also running Reckless Fireweaver. It doesn't combo with Man-o'-War or Shrieking Drake, but is still very useful.
6 days ago
Stifle - the counter package is in flux. This may go back in later if my meta demands it.
Murkfiend Liege - I originally put it in without thinking enough about how much worse it is when compared to Seedborn Muse. It's useless in this deck.
Simic Initiate - the low CMC wasn't enough to justify leaving it in. The other Graft creatures in the deck all add useful functions that justify the higher CMC.
Exploration - Extra land drops to abuse Tatyova
Jace, Cunning Castaway - For the combo win with Doubling Season
Lifecrafter's Bestiary - Because reasons
Lotus Petal - Because reasons
Nissa, Vital Force - For the utility of her minus abilities
Reclamation Sage - I needed a way to deal with artifacts and enchantments, as I totally lacked the means.
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage - Utility
The reason for slotting in three new planeswalkers is because I clarified the interaction between Pir, Imaginative Rascal and Doubling Season. Specifically that if I have both in play, Doubling Season is allowed to affect PW counters when plus abilities are used.
1 week ago
Don't feel obligated to respond, this is kind of unreasonable and unrelated.
Do you believe that this deck can work on a hardcore budget?(under $100) I initially thought that most of its 'core' cards aren't super expensive, and i was interested in building this. after looking at the more costly cards, it looks like most of the extra money is in tutors and the manabase - do you think it can be done? or does the combo need those cheap cards so badly? This is what I have so far:
Yawgmoth's Will -> Recoup --- Fork -> Mana Geyser --- Entomb -> Demonic Collusion --- Sensei's Divining Top -> Crystal Ball This one is sketchy --- Demonic Tutor -> Tainted Pact --- Vampiric Tutor -> Diabolic Tutor --- Serra Ascendant -> Sphinx-Bone Wand --- Phyrexian Arena -> Ambition's Cost ---- Austere Command -> Planar Cleansing --- Necropotence -> Painful Truths --- Cloud Key -> primal amulet --- Lotus Petal -> Pentad Prism --- Tithe -> Terrarion --- Abeyance -> Niveous Wisps ---
1 week ago
I feel I should point out that Mega's combo also produces infinite mana of any color. If you net +1 U each cycle, after you produce an arbitrary amount of blue you no longer need it to cast Phantasmal Image and can replace each time you would tap LED for blue with whatever other color you want/need.
Also while I'm here...
Cards you might want to consider:
Entomb = Arguably one of the best tutors for Muldrotha.
Command Beacon = Never pay for command tax ever again.
Any extra turn spells = with your Eternal Witness and either Deadeye Navigator or a sac outlet gives you infinite turns. My list runs Walk the Aeons and Crucible of Worlds as well to let me just buyback each cast to the same effect.
Lotus Petal = insanely good early game
Mindslicer = more of a pet card of mine than anything else really. With your yard being a second hand, putting everyone to topdeck mode doesn't really hurt you but it can absolutely cripple opponents and make it difficult for them to come up with answers.
Just some food for thought.
2 weeks ago
Black has all the tutors you need to get this going
With the combo on board and making infinite colorless Mana you would only need three black and three red kill everybody in a 4-person game( what are considered standard games)
throw-in in Walking Ballista to make it go quicker with infinite Mana just keep activating the Commander's ability until you draw into it and then cast it for a stupid amount of counters